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RE: Reveal! High end cook's kitchen. Cherry, Miele, maple (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: will2kz on 07.16.2013 at 12:46 am in Kitchens Forum


Brief glimpse of demo


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RE: Support brackets for granite overhang? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: buehl on 04.21.2011 at 09:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

Use the "6 & 10 Rule"

  • For 3cm stone: any overhang > 10" will need a corbel or other support. how much? Overhang inches - 10" = # inches for support

  • For 2cm stone: any overhang > 6" will need a corbel or other support. how much? Overhang inches - 6" = # inches for support

    ....with a corbel or support every 30" of unsupported overhang

    If you don't want corbels or legs, consider the "CounterBalance" system instead.

    Thread: Kevin - 'remember the 6 & 10 rule'
    Thread: granite fabrication questions..what do you think!

    Minimum recommended overhangs (NKBA):

  • Table-height: 18"
  • Counter-height: 15"
  • Bar-height: 12"
  • Here is a link that might be useful: Thread: Stone Information and Advice (& Checklists)


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    LED recessed cans guide for kitchen ...

    posted by: davidtay on 01.30.2012 at 01:27 am in Lighting Forum

    A collection of tips/ answers
    Since kitchens have higher lighting requirements, I like to use 35 lumen per sq ft as a rule to compute the number of lights. If there are additional sources of light that will be used, the output (lumens not watts) from those sources can be deducted from the total.

    Placement/ layout
    1. Cans should be > 24 to 30 inches from the wall (on center). Most countertop spaces have upper cabinets (typically ~ 12" deep) + crown molding. The edge of the can may be spaced ~ 12" away from the edge of the crown molding (if present or cabinet if there is no crown molding) making the average distance between 26 to 30 inches.

    2. Assuming the need for a fairly uniformly lit space @ 35 lumens per sq ft, the cans may have to be spaced closer together - between 3 - 4 ft apart (if all general lighting is provided by recessed lights). A fairly regular pattern is preferable to a random layout.

    3. The actual layout of cans will be impacted by the location of ceiling joists, HVAC ducting, electrical wiring, plumbing, ceiling height, fire suppression sprinklers and other obstructions above the ceiling.

    The Cree LR6 series lamps do not dim as well as the later models (CR6, ...). ELV dimmers probably work better with LR6 than incandescent dimmers since the total load of the lights may not meet the minimum load requirement for the incandescent dimmer.

    Dimmers such as the Lutron Diva CL dimmers work well. The max output is 95%.

    Some Choices (in order of preference) and notes
    Cree CR6 or ECO-575 (Home Depot branded CR6)
    ECO4-575 (Home Depot branded Cree CR4 4" recessed light)
    The above are only available in 2700k light color.

    Cree LR6 series - including the LE6.

    The Cree CR6 and LR6 lamps will not fit into 5" housings.

    The standard LR6 behaves more like a surface mount than a recessed light as the LED emitters are close to the surface and the recess is shallow. Some may not like the amount of light spillage (standard LR6).

    There is a higher output version of the LR6 that has a much deeper recess.

    To prevent the Cree lamps from falling out, the 3 prongs have to be fully extended and a slight clockwise twist made when push installing. The slight clockwise twist will ensure that the prongs are fully extended.

    The Cree lamps are currently the best available today (2012).

    Sylvania RT-6, RT-4. The lights could be easier to install than Cree lamps as they utilize the torsion spring mechanism. However, the lights do not look as pleasant as the Cree lamps.

    The Cree and Sylvania lamps do outperform 26W CFLs (and incandescents) in a standard recessed can in terms of light spread and output as the standard bulb in a can solution traps a significant amount of light. The Cree and Sylvania recessed lamp solutions referenced above have all the LED elements facing outwards so that the effective light output is higher.

    The CRI (Color Rendition Index) of Cree and Sylvania recessed lamps > 80.

    There is no warm up time required for Cree recessed lamps, unlike CFL light bulbs.

    Most recessed lighting is used with flat ceilings. Sloped ceilings would require special solutions such as the LE6 or some other form of lighting (i.e. -non recessed lighting).

    Some common objections to recessed can lights stem from
    1. looks and performance of traditional can lights (standard bulb in a can)
    2. swiss cheese effect from too many holes.


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    Finished Finished! Rancher Remodel, dark to light! (tons pix)

    posted by: firsthouse_mp on 06.28.2010 at 02:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

    We are done, we are moved in.....after 17mos living with my mom and enduring living out of cardboard boxes! Love love love my new kitchen!! Thank you to all of you who deeply inspired me (redroze,elizpiz,rm,theanimala,segbrown,many many more!), and I hope you don't mind that there's a piece of each of your kitchens that I copied because I admired it so much. I learned so much by lurking, reading everything then finally posting.

    --Our cabinets were so reasonable and they work beautifully. We LOVE Precision Cabinets! Their install was immaculate and perfect. When we had a glitch with the warming drawer, they fixed it perfectly! While I couldn't afford every "bell & whistle" inside the cabinets, I love them.
    --White Princess honed. It's gorgeous and I no longer have the OCD urge to constantly wipe my counters (our old granite was polished). I also love my backsplash done in the same material--I am attracted to visual simplicity so couldn't pick a tile :)
    --Cheap dishwasher. Paid $500 and we love it.
    --Deep cheap sinks. Our main Ebay sink is awesome($500)! Love the 10" big single bowl. The island sink was cheap too, and is the perfect size, $150.
    --White everywhere and one big room. Not for everyone, but my DH and I love the big open light-filled room. Far cry from the dark rancher that it was. We tore down two walls and raised the ceiling.
    --The soapstone buffet. It was a remnant piece and I love that it doesn't match the rest of the kitchen. Sets it apart and boy does the texture feel nice!
    --The papertowel niche. Not important, but I like that the towels are off my counter and totally accessible.
    --The two hidden cabinets in the island near the stools. All my Xmas dishes, Thanksgiving platters and everything fit in here!

    --The Vent Hood: Modernaire was a NIGHTMARE to deal with here in the NorCal area. You have to go through a distributor who will upcharge you $2,000 to order a hood. Modernaire won't sell directly to anyone who is in the area of one of their distributors. The rep here was a complete idiot, ripped me off and in the end didn't deliver what I had ordered. I had to then hire someone else to fix the goofs. Not worth it!

    --Order our range through AJ Madison. Total pain to get this stove delivered. The rest of our appliances came without a hitch but the delivery of the range was a disaster. They refused to deliver it until we had a concrete pathway, but our city had some issues with solid pathways and the runoff, etc. Had 4 delivery dates and they turned around each time and refused to bring it in the house. In the end I would have purchased this through our local store (there was no discount on this by buying on internet, unlike the other appliances).

    --Help me pick kitchen table chairs! Those pictured are folding chairs for holidays. Our old ones were falling apart, so we ditched them in the move. What should I put there?
    --Shades ordered and we are waiting for them to come and be hung.
    --The stools (CB2 Vapor) are too tall and we need to have the legs cut down. They only come in 30" or 24" and one is too tall and the other is too short. Sigh.

    Cabinetry—Precision Cabinets, Brentwood, CA; painted in stock color which matches Simply White
    Walls—BM Simply White
    Kitchen Counters—White Princess granite, from DaVinci Marble & Stone in San Carlos, CA, with 2.25" mitred square edge
    Buffet Counter—Brazilian Black soapstone from Texeira, SF, with no edge finish
    Door and Drawer Pulls—Top Knobs, Square Pulls, Polished Chrome; ordered off the internet
    Main Sink—Ebay purchase 36" SS Farmhouse w/apron front , single bowl, flushmount
    Island Sink—Dawn 19X17 single bowl, undermount
    Main Faucet—Blanco Meridien Semi-Professional in Brushed
    Island Faucet—Santec Penza pull out in Brushed
    Refrigerator—Electrolux WaveTouch; ordered off
    Dishwasher—Whirlpool Gold Quiet Partner III; ordered from AJ Madison
    Microwave Drawer—Sharp 24"; ordered from AJ Madison
    Range—Viking Range w/6 burners and griddle; ordered from AJ Madison
    Hood— Modernaire custom hood
    Trash Compactor—GE Profile in SS; ordered from AJ Madison
    Warming Drawer—Kitchenaid Architect Series II; ordered off; panel from cabinet co.
    Backsplash—White Princess granite
    Flooring-DuChateau pre-engineered floors in Lugano
    Big Slider Door—Custom made 10’ bypass doors by McFarland Doors, w/custom screen
    Island Pendants—Hudson Valley Pelham 13" ordered from Butler Lighting
    Breakfast Table Pendant—Round 26" linen chandelier by Restoration Hardware
    Buffet Sconces—Boston Library Sconces by

    Before Remodel
    Family room:Before Remodel
    Before Remodel



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    RE: buehl, did you have a tutorial on your refrigerator cabinet? (Follow-Up #2)

    posted by: hollysprings on 03.14.2012 at 12:36 pm in Kitchens Forum

    Not Buehl, but I can probably walk you through creating a basic fridge surround if that's what you are asking here.

    Do you have an extra deep over the fridge cabinet (what size is it?) and 3/4" thick 30" deep x your cabinet's top alignment height side panels plus some scribe molding, and a touch up kit?

    The place to start is your fridge's utlity connections. You want a recessed box for the water supply and the power supply. If you are on an outside wall where you can't afford to compromise the insulation, you can always inset the box into the adjacent base cabinet in the run. This will keep the plug and water line from interfering with pushing the fridge all the way back into it's cubby.

    The next place to start is with your fridge's specs. Some fridges are 35 3/4" wide and meant to go into a 36" space. Some require more space. Check the clearance required at the top as well. Some brands need more than others. If your fridge is one that needs a larger opening than 36", you will have to attach fillers to the 36" cabinet box until you have the recommended width.

    Start with the first tall 30" deep panel next to the base cabinet. Attach the panel to the adjacent base and wall cabinets. If you are using a counter depth fridge, the panel only needs to be 24" deep. Ideally, the panel should cover the entire box of the fridge, but as some are deeper than others, check your fridge's specs. 30" is a good "standard" depth that pretty much covers most fridges sold today.

    You will now need to install blocking at the top back to push out the over the fridge cabinet to the actual depth of the refrigerator. The bottom alignment height of the cabinet should be 72", so that is where you take a 2"x6" on edge and pre-drill for lag bolts to screw into the studs to extend the depth of the studs. After you have the studs extended, cover them with 1/2" plywood. You want the overall depth of the blocking plus the cabinet box to equal to the depth of the side panel, and if you custom cut the side panel to match your fridge, you may have to do some fiddling with the blocking here. The overall plywood covered blocking should equal the width of the fridge cabinet. I have had some installer use the build up area where the blocking is located to install the recessed power and water supply. It's often better to do that than to impinge on the storage in the adjacent cabinet. It all depends on how you have to run the electricity and water.

    Now you're on to the other side of the enclosure. Take the second panel and attach it to the blocking. If you have a second cabinet on the other side of the recess, then attach the panel to the base and wall cabinets there. If you don't have cabinets there to stabilize the panel, then you may want to install a bit of very small blocking into the interior at the rear wall to give you something to nail the side panel to.

    OK, now you've got your cubby. Using a jack or several grunt labororers, lift up the fridge cabinet and attach it to the blocking at the rear. If you've done your job right and made sure everything is plumb (that's a BIG deal for a cubby) then it should just slip between the side panels perfectly and be level without any shims or tweaking. Then attach it to the side panels just like you would attach wall cabinet to wall cabinet (behind the hinge plate to disguise it), making sure to use short enough screws so as not to screw through the panels.

    Cover the front cut edge of the panel with scribe molding as well as where the panel joins the wall between the base and wall cabinets. Some people will use scribe molding at the floor level against the floor and others will use 1/4" round or baseboard molding. It's an aesthetic choice, but you want to cover the panel/floor transition. Install the crown molding. There will be an approximate 2" gap between the bottom of the cabinet and the top of the fridge (because standard fridge height is 70)-71") and you can attach light rail molding to the cabinet or a horizontal filler on a piano hinge that you can flip up in order to store some cookie sheets or something on top of the fridge.

    Use the touch up kit's fill stick to fill any of the pin nails, and then you're ready to plug in the fridge and attach the water line and roll it back into it's cubby.


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    Paper Towels--To Those With Built In Holders

    posted by: 2LittleFishies on 06.08.2012 at 08:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

    For those that have these.... do you still like them? Is it an issue with dirty/wet hands grabbing the towels (dirtying cabs and/or getting them wet)??

    Would you do it again?

    beagles I think?-




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    Lighting for open shelves

    posted by: arlosmom on 03.10.2014 at 01:11 pm in Kitchens Forum

    I haven't been on this forum for quite a while. We finished our kitchen about 5 years ago and I found gardenweb to be an invaluable source of information and help. I love my current kitchen.

    We're now under contract to buy a new-to-us house and I'm starting to gather information for a kitchen refresh. The new kitchen has birch Ikea cabinets, lots of counter space, good appliances, and a layout that I like a lot. I won't mess with the lower cabinets or the countertop, but I don't like the upper cabinets that are in there now.

    There are 4 upper cabinets, and I'm leaning toward replacing 2 of them with open shelving/floating shelves. I love the look and convenience and I think it will work well in the space. What I don't know is what kind of task lighting works with open shelves. Any suggestions? Do I use puck lights? I wan't crazy about the ones I had in a previous kitchen, but those were from Home Depot so they were probably crap. I'd love to hear what others with open shelves have done. Pictures would be appreciated!

    I'm very excited about the new house, and I'm excited to have a kitchen that needs tinkering with again. I've missed the kitchen forum!


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    Air Gap/Soap Dispenser or other solution?

    posted by: tinan on 02.15.2013 at 09:39 am in Kitchens Forum

    In CA, code requires an air gap for dishwashers even when the dishwasher doesn't require it (Bosch). I am changing my sink, countertop and faucet and want a single hole faucet... but now I have to deal with the ugly air gap and put in another hole for it!

    I found some clever air gaps that double as soap dispensers, but they appear very cheaply made and the reviews say they leak soap under the counter etc. I rarely use soap (everything goes in the dishwasher except non stick pans) so I don't want to add something that will cause me problems. I'd rather have a plain air gap than one that creates a mess!

    Are there decorative air gaps or other solutions that you have found?

    I have heard that some people put in a soap dispenser and put the air gap under the counter, then remove the soap dispenser and install the air gap "properly" in that hole when and if required. I don't understand how that works - does one just take the current hose setup and anchor it as high as possible underneath the countertop? Not saying I plan to try that, I'm just curious!


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    size/number of pendants for 10 x 5 island?

    posted by: illinigirl on 03.06.2014 at 06:40 am in Kitchens Forum

    I want the Clemson pendant from RH, which comes in 8,14, and 18" diameters. I pretty much eliminated the 8" size. I think either 2-3 for 14" or 2 18". The kitchen is open to the family room so the pendants will be very visible from anywhere in the 'great room' living area. The overall kitchen space is around 21 by 15.
    here is the space:
    [img] photo finalkitchenlayout.jpg[/img]

    we are still at drywall stage so I can't do the balloon trick yet.

    Any advice please?


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    RE: Share your thoughts on large shower niche (Follow-Up #6)

    posted by: firsthome on 06.05.2012 at 10:30 am in Bathrooms Forum

    Thanks for the suggestion dvarnell, but we are planning on doing a large niche(about 60" tall) with only the bottom ledge and no additional shelves, so you will be able to see the majority of the niche mosaic. We typically only have three bottles in the shower (shampoo, conditioner, and bodywash) and a razor so the large niche is more of a tile accent wall but serving as a niche as well.

    Here is another online sample of a large niche, except this is much deeper than what we are planning on doing.


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    fun details and some answers to questions... (Follow-Up #61)

    posted by: celineike on 07.11.2011 at 09:17 pm in Kitchens Forum

    THANK YOU!!!! I am blown over by the lovely words you all have. Really, It's so nice to hear every word after so much belly-aching over details and having a very clear picture in my head that I defended over and over (DH, contractor, etc) i.e., ..."You sure you want the bottom cabs stained and NOT the top???"... or... "i don't think mixing hardware like this is how it's done"... ;o)
    I was TKO every second of this and totally loved it! lol
    And YES!! Im loving that Bluestar and cooking is a dream in the bright space! I do think i will need to learn how to cool all over again though - I've made quite a few things and never really got the burner knob much past low! that thing is HOT! :D

    So more deets..
    Window seat!
    The cabinet maker built everything you see that's made of wood. They installed for 3 weeks. I thought it was going to take a day or 2, ha. They had installed the window seat after only showing me a little sketch. It was very thin and even though it's 9 feet long, it only sat 1 person! so they built some sides on to it and now it seats 3 at the round table. (im married to the table) but it makes a nice reading space too.

    Palimsest - the woodwork was done my the cabinet guys ...
    woodworkingOC or WoodworkingLA...they do a lot of restaurants and wine storage/bars

    Gardenamy - the Flooring is Garrison Deluxe
    Maple Laguna (it's engineered and pre-finished)

    califreckles - Thank you!
    The base trim on the cabinet bottoms is great! I had read someone say... "where would you put your toes?" and i had to laugh because who the heck stand THAT close the counter?? No scuffs yet - but when they come,, i'll just add a coat a paint - Im DIY all the way.

    aliris19 & trailrunner - thanks guys! The Bronze statue was an anniversary gift form my DH for our "Bronze" anniversary. He did good huh?? and no Becky, "gulp!" she's not a towel pig! :P

    louisianapurchase - thank you! it's funny you mention "the grill above the fridge" it's my kitchen's dirty little secret!

    All of the upper cabs (except for 3) are fake. I had 15" soffits there before and hated them like crazy. The only way i was going to get my lofty feel was that stacked cab look, so we just made faces for them all. The GC and cabinet guys really thought i was crazy when i said i wanted hinges and hardware on them.

    here's a pic of the oven door open next to the island where the trash drawers are. It's only 42" but it's more than enough. The pot lids are between the 2 trash bins.

    open pic - the hardware on here is where my DH thought i had lost it. 4 different kinds threw him off completely. But i wanted these (RH Grafton Pulls) to be opened with a pinky if need be and i wanted to hang kitchen towels on them as well. I think they work.

    my baking station.. although not like most peoples, 'cause i have to move things to the island to work, but it's all in one place and i love it!

    catsam- We have 2 small counter seams going back from the sink in the Cemento. They are invisible! amazing work!

    sophie123 - I think i got the filter faucet on ebay it's a Kingston in Brushed Nickel
    Here's the back splash - it's Heath Cermaics Tile

    and lastly, i think... the clock! I got it at target years ago.

    ok, off to make dinner! :D


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    Pip's Kitchen - updated photos

    posted by: pipdog on 02.08.2012 at 12:55 pm in Kitchens Forum

    I posted my kitchen last year after our reno was mostly complete, but I never got around to taking photos of it after we got our banquette table and moved back in to the space. A friend of mine is a photographer and snapped some recent photos for us, so I thought I'd share the final, finished photos of the kitchen, one year later. Thanks again to this super helpful forum which helped us so much in this remodel!

    --pip aka pipdog


    Here is a link that might be useful: Original post with all the details


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    RE: Banquette Bench: CKGM and Shelayne -- pics please! (Follow-Up #3)

    posted by: shelayne on 03.29.2012 at 10:36 am in Kitchens Forum

    Hi BalTra, here is a shot of mine. It is three 36" W X 15"H, 24" deep cabinets, cut to a depth of 22.5" (I think), topped with Lagan butcher block and cushions. The filler is a piece on each end, as the bench is almost 10' long. I originally wanted it to be moveable, but DH wanted it built-in. Since he was the one installing it, he won.;) He built a low platform for it. The cushions bring the height over the height of the chairs, but it has not been a problem for us. If we wanted to, we could remove the cushions, and only have the wood top, as we finished that with Waterlox, and it would be the same height as the dining chairs.


    And so you can see what I mean about lots of storage, here is a pic with the drawers open (that white thing in the middle drawer is a big bread machine):

    The "Costco" snack drawer is one that is constantly accessed. We call it the "Costco drawer" because it generally has those huge Costco snack bags, popcorn, store bought cookies, and like items.

    We are very happy with how our banquette bench turned out.


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