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What would you have done differently -- Thread 2

posted by: fern4 on 01.29.2008 at 08:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

The last thread on this topic is now dying as it drifts to oblivion. Here's an attempt to consolidate the 150 posts:

drawers instead of pullouts (lots disagree), no skimping on labor, push back refrigerator instead of getting counterdepth, hoods wider than cooktops, run lighting plan by the lighting forum experts, more effort at design stage, more attention to countertop templating, no divided lites in glass cabinets, deeper upper cabinets, more time spent reviewing cabinet plans, slight negative reveal on sink to hide edge, no microhood, measure everything yourself (especially for appliances), honed the granite, checked out appliances for noise level before buying them, avoided granite altogether, two sinks instead of one, planned where light switches would go instead of on-the-run, measure how your cabinet space will be used, saying go-ahead-and-do-what-you-think to the contractor when you should make the decision, make sure that things won't result in appliances sticking out into the room, under cabinet lighting in strips not pucks, consider location of towels, stayed home to supervise carpenter, hired professional painter, knocked down old walls, 3-drawer cabinets instead of 4-drawers, avoided side-by-side and/or French door refrigerators (or not!), thought about location of prep work, location of other people in kitchen, built in more work stations, added a pantry, big drawer for plastic containers, custom cabinets, trusted my own taste, had taller cabinets, avoided filler pieces in lots of places, don't trust designers/contractors/subs, carefully consider cabinet hardware on your own cabinets, electric not gas over, nonsplashing faucet, consulted plumber before plans were finalized, check your cabinet drawings a million times, not getting gas stove, granite with too much or too little movement, run undercabinet lights towards front not center, stained interior of glass fronted cabinets to match outside, made more money to pay for it all, more outlets on island, wider baking drawer stack, avoided blind cupboards, avoid lowest bidders, planned better for demo, no full granite backsplash, not put a pull-out shelf over the refrigerator, more research, not checking references, keeping the peace with subs when we should have told them "no," nearly anything that I didn't decide myself but let someone else decide for me, large single bowl sink, included induction cook top and Advantium oven, used plug mold, put in an alcove over the cook top, deeper counter tops, and wood floors. Not perfect but a pretty good summary.


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RE: Difference between trex and timber tech (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: john_hyatt on 03.18.2007 at 07:14 pm in Porches & Decks Forum

The differance between trex and TimberTech can be related as the differance between a Harley Sportster and a moped.

You can use bleach all you want,altho the Ken over at www.restoreadeck has some better stuff. That guy posting all that jive is just a misguided member of the green police.


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RE: What type of Decking should I use? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: john_hyatt on 02.12.2006 at 09:05 am in Porches & Decks Forum

Timber Tech T&G material is the coolest to walk on. John


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RE: Composite Decking Materials - Please comment (Follow-Up #36)

posted by: lawrence-w on 02.03.2007 at 10:38 am in Porches & Decks Forum

I am in the process of revising an article that ranks #5 in Google for composite decking.

I have received hundreds of emails over the last year or two regarding the existing article (link below).

Trex settled a Class Action law suit recently and are keen not to have another so they seem to be negotiating well of late--if they settle with you they will demand your silence.

Watch the warrantees for tricky wording and remember their testing for color fast properties and durability will normally represent 3-6 months real world.

Using lumber that will rot in 2-3 years (spruce pine fir) in a ground form (pulp), and encasing it with plastic can have no other result but mold and rot. It's just a bad idea.

In the early days composites were marketed as "Maintenance Free", however after the first couple of law suits it became "low Maintenance".

Be careful.


Here is a link that might be useful: composite decking vs wood decks


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RE: Thermofoil cabinets bad idea w/ high-heat burners? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: hym8nuts on 02.06.2007 at 01:37 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have Ultracraft thermofoil cabs and a Wolf range. My hood is the same size as my range and I've had no problems at all. With the extra btu's a Bluestar puts out, you may want to make sure that your range hood is larger to avoid any scorching on the upper cabinets.


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RE: whats the best cabinet companies to get bids from (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: ron6519 on 03.04.2007 at 12:55 pm in Kitchens Forum

With all these price quotes I don't see any mention of cabinet construction. Are all the quotes based upon the same materials or are you comparing apples to oranges? Cabinet carcasses are made of flakeboard, 1/2" ply and 3/4" ply. The plys can be regular ply or cabinet grade plywood. A 1/2" regular ply can have 4 ,5 layers. Cabinet grade 9 layers.
Are the drawers solid 5/8 or 3/4" dovetailed hardwood with a separate drawer front or is it 1/2" wood nailed together with the drawer front just one of the sides. Do the drawers have full extension ball bearing guides or just 3/4 extension with epoxy coated guides?
Don't just rely on the pretty face aspects of the cabinets, check out the bones.


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Kitchen style----changing it the week of demo??

posted by: beth35 on 03.04.2007 at 12:55 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi, everybody! I've been mostly lurking here to the point of obsession for about a month and have learned tons, but this is my first original post.

When I bought my house over a year ago, I planned to knock out a wall and open up my dark 1950's knotty wood paneled kitchen. I expected to begin this summer, but when my Dad suggested at Christmas that he might have time to work my remodel into his schedule in February, I got busy trying to pull everything together.

I definitely plan to refinish my currently hidden white oak floors and have already ordered my SS appliances. I had planned to paint my new cabinets a creamy color and glaze them and I set about to find a gold or brown granite that would "go". I have had in my head a monochromatic look with hardware and accessories for a sort of French or Italian country style. I have liked it for years.

The problem is this--when I gathered my 1 1/2 years of magazines and found the finished kitchen blog and started looking specifically at cabinet styles and coutertops, I realized I really love the inset shaker style cabinets (that I don't think would look so good glazed), with the latches, that are always shown with black granite or soapstone or carera marble countertops. To make matters worse, as a new TKO, I head to the granite yard looking for something to "speak" to me, and instead of finding a great brown or gold, I really liked the sparkling slab of uba tuba, that would look great with my newfound style of kitchen!

Sooooooo, demo begins this week--do I go with my old reliable plan that I may already be tired of from having it in my head for years, or do I bravely pursue my new-to-me period look that I've only been thinking about for weeks, but I'm pretty excited about? I may just be embracing the clean black and white look because my current kitchen in soooo dark and no matter how much I scrub it, it feels dirty. I could be living here for a really long time and I don't want to make a huge, expensive mistake! I don't want to delay either--anything would be better than my current cave!!
Any thoughts or opinions appreciated!


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RE: got my wood-mode quote Friday (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: tam184 on 02.04.2007 at 02:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Heather, I'm attaching a link to my kitchen photos (we still have to refinish the DR floors this spring). We went with Brookhaven cabinets (Pelham Manor raised panel in maple with a medium/dark stain) and absolutely love them. They are well constructed with beautiful finishes. I love that the uppers are 13" deep and full extension drawers are standard. The wood is well picked out.

Without knowing the particulars of your order, it's hard to say if the price is in line. Do you have a lot of special orders? Do you have tons of upgrades to each cabinet? Do you have tons of pieces for the crown molding? These all influence the price. In any case, you might want to price them out at another Brookhaven dealer. From my experience and others from this board, Brookhaven prices vary greatly from dealer to dealer. The Springfield door has one of the higher upcharges (I think my door style is next in line).

Just as a reference, my cabinets cost about $10k. There are 16 cabinets (all standard cabinets except for the one with the glass doors which has glass doors, glass shelves, and is deeper), side panel for the fridge, 2-piece crown, light rail, base molding, and a base valance (not installed yet).

You might want to check out one of the kitchens on the Finished Kitchens Blog with the Springfield doors. This the URL (

Good Luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: My Kitchen Photos


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RE: Favorite family recipe? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: Anne (Guest) on 04.07.2001 at 11:26 pm in Once-a-Week Cooking Forum

This is a recipe that my family literally will fight over. It makes a delicious gravy (what they fight over) and absolutely nothing to making it.I double the recipe and there is still none left at the end of the meal.

No Peek Casserole

2 lbs stew meat ( i use 3 lbs)
1 can Campbell's Chicken Mushroom Soup
1/2 cup Gingerale
1 pkg Lipton Onion Soup Mix
1 4 oz jar mushrooms, drained (optional)

Preheat oven to 300. Comebine ALL ingredients (DO NOT brown meat and DO NOT dilute soup with water) together. Mix well. It will be lumpy before it's cooked. Pour into a casserole dish and cover. Bake 2 1/2 to 3 hours. DON't PEEK!! Serve over pasta, rice or mashed potatoe's. The smell as it's cooking is WONDERFUL


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RE: toto whites please explain colonial and cotton (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: owrp on 02.25.2007 at 02:52 pm in Bathrooms Forum

Toto Cotton White is the bright white and matches Kohler fixtures.

Toto Colonial White is the warmer white and matches American Standard products.


toto toilet white colors
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Finished Kitchen pics......woooohoooooo

posted by: mimi_2006 on 01.19.2007 at 09:23 pm in Kitchens Forum

I can't stand it. This is new construction and my kitchen FINALLY got finished today! The barstools I ordered off the net and they just came in 2 days ago, just in time. I couldn't wait to post at least a couple pics. What a relief to be done. I couldn't have done it and had so much fun and great advice without this forum. Thank you everyone for making this a great place. I'll send some pics to the finished kitchens blog as soon as we get moved. Movers come Monday...wooohooooo.

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this is a picture of the frigidaire twins
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RE: Whirlpool sidekicks (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: proudmamato4 on 02.12.2007 at 01:18 pm in Kitchens Forum

Tweedge, here ya go!

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whirlpool sidekicks
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RE: Whirlpool sidekicks (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: dianalo on 02.12.2007 at 11:51 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi proudmama,
I am not going with a built in look and will just hang 2 24" deep cabinets above the fridge. In my last house the cabs there had several inches of clearance over my old fridge, so I don't think the slight arch will interfere here either. I am not retrofitting them but will hang the cabs after the fridge is either in place or mapped with exact dimensions (and allowing some breathing room).

I imagine with a family of 6, this is a real lifesaver. I have 2 preschool boys and they will be pretty big when grown if dna is involved. My husband is the smaller bro at just under 6' with a strong athletic build and his little bro is 6'4" and built like a refrigerator. His father and uncles are one size or the other with one of them hitting 6'5". My side has men just under 6' as well. Based on what I have seen with teenage boys and feeding, I may need a second set of Sidekicks someday, lol. I intend to be the house that the kids feel welcome in, so I imagine we will be feeding quite a crew some days. I can't see grocery shopping daily or more when they get older.
Then again, there also are the family gatherings in an Italian family (dh's side).....
I am going to really appreciate my fridge set, 36" range and open floor plan. I can't wait to have elbow room again (my last kitchen was more than double the size of this one). It won't be a huge kitchen with the extension, but it will be very carefully thought out...
It is funny because my boys are 3.5 & 5 now, but someday, I will be the runt of the house at 5'5" ;)


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RE: Price of cabinet installation.. does this seem fair? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: rachelle_g on 02.13.2007 at 01:20 pm in Kitchens Forum

We paid $1575 for 20 cabinets, including crown to the ceiling and around the room, redoing one window frame, toekicks, hardware, dishwasher panel and demo of a short row of base cabinets. (No appliances, we did that ourselves). We are in MA. So your quote seems a bit high to me.


price of installing cabinets in MA
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RE: Counter-depth fridge, or fridge-depth counter? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: sombreuil_mongrel on 01.19.2007 at 09:51 am in Kitchens Forum

Beware of the geometry of the door hinges- unless you have a true built-in fridge (subzero, etc) the door as it opens impinges on the space to its side. You cannot make the face of the door flush with cabinetry without leaving adequate side clearances. This clearance will vary, but expect to need a 2+ inch gap between the door edge and the next thing (filler strip, end cap, cabinet, countertop.)
Failing to consider the geometry would result in a built in look with inoperable doors.


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RE: Counter-depth fridge, or fridge-depth counter? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: dianalo on 01.19.2007 at 10:01 am in Kitchens Forum

I vote for anything that gives you more counter space & storage, as long as you can give up the floor space comfortably. I am looking into doing that on one side of my U shaped kitchen. I have a doorway at the connecting part of the U so one side is a straight run with the fridge and would work perfectly.
Fridge depth counter all the way!
By the way, if anyone truly wants a ton of space inside their fridge, check out the Whirlpool Sidekicks. It is a stand alone fridge & freezer that sit next to each other and look like one unit due to their design. Kenmore has similar, but the customer reviews did not come out as good. They have a total of over 34 cubic feet, equally divided. I can put in large party trays in either side! A pizza box would fit in easily. I have 2 preschool boys and can only imagine how much food I will be buying in their teenage years. Although, I bet the fridge set will be empty thanks to them, at least I can stock it up to my heart's content ;)


whirlpool sidekicks info
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RE: Frigidaire All Refrig/All Freezer.... any opinions? (Follow-Up #20)

posted by: razorback_rn on 08.18.2006 at 11:37 pm in Appliances Forum

I love our set!

Ideally I would have liked to have bought the GE Monogram all fridge/all freezer but I couldn't justify such costs. Instead we opted for this set and for less than $2000 we have a very large side by side configuration that looks great and works well.

Ours are not loud at all in fact it's difficult to hear them running at all. Of course we had a custom cabinet surround built for them.

Here's a pic of ours.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pic of ours


this is a frigidaire I think
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Awesome window cleaner!!

posted by: Joiful on 09.27.2004 at 01:30 pm in Cleaning Tips Forum

I just got this tip from another board. It was posted by Lois. It works better than anything I have ever tried. Here's the info:

Posted by: LoisLaneTX Replies: 80 Posted on: 9/13/2001 7:10:47 PM
While in line at the grocery, I let a lady go ahead of me, because I had many items and she had only about 20 boxes of Corn Starch....I asked her what she was going to do with all that corn starch. She said she was a professional window cleaner and it was the best thing she'd ever found to make the windows sparkle.

Here's how: Just dilute a little bit in a bucket and make a solution. Take a clean terry cloth and dip into solution, wipe over mirror or window. Then take a clean/dry terry cloth and wipe excess. Turn cloth to dry side and polish'll see it sparkle and never buy that blue or green stuff again. Or use smelly vinegar!!!

I just put a few Tablespoons of cornstarch in a qt. spray bottle and fill 1/2 full with water. You can't store this solution for any length of time because it will start to smell. Just mix a small amount to use up each time you want to clean windows, mirrors, etc.


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