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RE: New Pool Build Voorhees NJ (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: poolguynj on 04.04.2010 at 12:58 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

I would be pretty leery of buying travertine and pool tile at Home Depot. In our region of the country, the extremes of weather we experience are hard on these materials. H-D's buyers are not experienced in selecting swimming pool materials. You will experience, if these materials are used, flaking, chipping and pitting.

I think you might want to visit you local NPT facility.

Laying travertine is not like laying pavers. It does require a more compacted base. It's not as easy as it looks to get a long lasting flat and even surface. Doing it on the cheap twice always cost more than doing once correctly.

The same holds true for the coping and tile.

This is one of the big reasons I like NPT. They will tell you up front if the materials are suited for our climate.

I think you are best served with a water line tile, regardless of the plaster type selected.

Keep the pump, filter, heater, and any other equipment you purchase, the same brand. It extends the warranty. For example, when purchasing an Intelliflo, Quad-DE filter and MasterTemp heater, the warranty is upped to 3 years from 1 year. I prefer Pentair gear. Some like Hayward and some like Jandy.

Whatever finish you do choose, I do suggest you truck in water to fill the pool when the finisher is done. This greatly speeds things up, helps steady the hydration reduces the effects exposure to the atmosphere the hydrating finish experiences. It will hydrate more quickly when exposed to air, potentially creating the mottling or crazing that can occur.

Pebble-Tec and other high aggregate finishes are often applied one day and acid washed the next while plain plaster, Diamond Brite, etc... should be under water in short order. I have noticed that the people that use a hose to fill the pool are the ones that tend to have problems with the initial finish acquiring a mottled or crazed look after brushing, often due to the uneven curing and water loss due to evaporation that the finish experiences.

Adding the 1st load of trucked in water must be done slowly so as not to hit the soft finish with force. As the water level rises, the water in the pool can be used as an impact buffer and the fill rate can be gradually increased. Grab a sample from each truck and test them for metals, hardness, pH and alk content. It's your start point. This will help you to know what needs to be added during the earliest stages of the cure.

During the first 4 weeks or so, the majority of the cure is accomplished and has to have it's needs met. New finishes are at their most vulnerable during this period. Each week brings a slightly different set of needs. Different finishes have different needs. Your finisher or PB will tell you.

If planning on adding automation later, add a 1/2" conduit from the inside of the spa, a few inches below the coping and in the tile line for a spa side remote's umbilical, to the equipment pad. Doing this during construction is a LOT easier than trying to do it after. Don't rely on a wireless when you are in the spa.

Leave room at the pad for the automation panel. The light conduits and GFCIs, spa side conduit, timers and sub-panel should all be near each other on the same wall. This will help to reduce the electrician costs when you do pull the trigger and upgrade.



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RE: Infinity Edge pool construction - The Happy Ending (Follow-Up #53)

posted by: birdbath on 06.25.2008 at 03:24 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

lol!lol! Hello! :)
A piece of advice to new pool owners -


I'm finally alive again and the pool is FULL!! WHOO HOO! I climbed up a ladder (not easy today for a variety of reasons :)) to take these pics for all of you. We had to get all of the pumps running, my husband couldn't stand to wait for the plumber tomorrow. I, personally, would have just been content to sit in a dark, cool corner nursing my head with an aspirin and water :). We really love the Ocean Blue color. Earlier this morning it looked like a mirror out there, now the sun is directly overhead and it looks like a deep, clear blue. I wish all of you could come over and join us!

Here's the pic from the top step of the ladder...





My son enjoying the Infinity Edge......

This is the view standing down inside the BBQ kitchen....



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RE: Plaster color vs Water Color (Follow-Up #49)

posted by: dischnell on 08.24.2007 at 07:39 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

I believe you are talking about our raised planter at the back of our pool that has our fountain jets spraying from it. This was a really inexpensive way to add a water feature. I believe the entire set up cost less than $295 (minus the fountain jets). A significant difference from the rock waterfall we initially wanted but didn't fit into our budget. It is raised 6" above our deck...

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RE: Plaster color vs Water Color (Follow-Up #43)

posted by: chels.hoff on 06.21.2007 at 04:02 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

just adding my 2 pennies

better late than never! Here is our pool i used Dischnell photos to show my PB and the plaster foreman the color. Ended up matching the tile and wish i woul have gone a bit darker.. but i still love it. its a med to dark grey plaster with 3M agean green added to it...

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right after fill

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last weekend

looks like it got lighter... but it may just be the time of day

Here is a link that might be useful: Our Pool Page


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RE: Plaster color vs Water Color (Follow-Up #24)

posted by: kdt1 on 05.30.2007 at 03:09 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

Here is a pool in Midnight Blue plaster with lots of kids in it. Our pool isn't that deep, but I've never had a problem seeing any of them down in the water.

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RE: Hawkfive Pool Build - Central NJ (Follow-Up #69)

posted by: hawkfive on 06.27.2009 at 03:13 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

Here are some of the latest pics of pool with water in it. While it's been filled for 3 weeks now, we haven't been in it much because the weather here has been awful. Today is the first real sunny day in a long time! Have to say that we are loving the River Rok finish - the water color is just what we wanted, and the texture is smooth and comfortable under foot - not scratchy at all. We do have some mottling - mainly in the shallow end and on the baja shelf. The manufacturer, SGM, recommends brushing every day during the 30 day 'waiting' period, and at that point, if it still exists, doing an acid bath.




DH has taken many naps out here!

Part of our outdoor sound system!


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Hawkfive Pool Build - Central NJ

posted by: hawkfive on 10.05.2008 at 12:59 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

Well, after a year of deliberating, we finally signed the contract in mid-September. Just happened to be the week the stock market took a nosedive! Needless to say, we were/are a little nervous given the economic climate, but we're pressing on. PB submitted documents last week for permit. They'll start digging within a few days of receiving approvals. We're hoping to be finished this fall.

Here are the specs:

730 sq. ft. freeform
21' x 45' dimension
3 - 8ft in depth
Hayward equipment, including gas heater
Perimeter tile
Wireless Controls
2 LED lights
Phantom Cleaner
Waterfall with 12' bench underneath
Diving rock
96 sq. ft. lounging ledge
6' built-in loveseat with stepout
Natural Stone Coping
River Rok finish
Mosaics - TBD
Decking - TBD
50 sq. ft. raised spa with 8 jets, stacked stone facing, and 1 LED light

We are on a corner lot, and have a septic system, so that really dictated where we could put the pool. It will be perpendicular to my house, and off to the right. Not my ideal location, but the positive is I still maintain the rest of the yard for baseball, football, and soccer games (we have 3 boys!)

I've included a picture of our yard as it looks today.


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Aceman's NJ Pool Build - Beware of Blue Haven Pools North East

posted by: aceman on 08.06.2009 at 11:32 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

They may just build this for you:

Well, hopefully i got your attention! Because if you're looking for another thread slamming a PB, you're in the wrong thread.

After reading this forum for months, my wife & I took the plunge (literally!) this spring and signed a contract for a pool. Special thanks to hawkfive for answering any questions I had along the way and helping me with some invaluable insight! Some background on our selection process I interviewed 4 PBs. 2 nationals, 2 smaller PBs. As you can expect, the smaller PBs came in higher than the 2 nationals, not by much. In the end, I went with a national PB who was pretty much in the middle of the pack pricing wise. What made me choose the PB over the others? The main factor for me was comfort level and when I asked for 6 references, 3 ongoing jobs and 3 from the past fall - I had 6 references within a day, and they all were positive. I cant say the same for the other guys I interviewed - some had them (though it took a week, some didnt). Id like to think Im dangerous with a little bit of knowledge (which I think my salesperson can attest) but in the end Im learned to go with my PBs recommendations they do this for a living, and thus far I havent been disappointed.

Our build started on 5/21, and the pool was started up on 7/17, just under 2 months. Now for those of you who dont live in the NY/NJ/PA area, we had a record 23 days of rain in a 29day span in June, add that to the mix and I still cant believe the pool was completed so quickly! Were there issues along the way - yes, did it require me staying on top of the construction manager, yes. But time after time, when i was told something was going to happen -it did.

My PB, who I ended up finding on this forum, was Blue Haven Pools North East (topfiftybuilder). They delivered everything promised, and more importantly, I found out as we went along, that when they quoted the job, they quoted the job without skimping in areas where i probably wouldn't have noticed pre-contract. For example lighting. I have 3 hayward LED lights in the pool, when my electrician asked what the cable length is on the lights (something I didnt even know to ask prior to contract), their construction manager told me they always order them with 100ft cables. Many companies would of used my request to hit me with an upcharge since the difference in price from 50ft to 100ft is a few hundred dollars per light BHP NE did not. What this allowed me to do was eliminate having an electrical junction box near the deck of the pool, something my friends PB did not do.

Anyway I wont bore you with details, but after spending quite a while reading/hearing about pool build horror stories - i'm very greatful to have picked the company I did. I also think it was huge that we went into this very well educated on what we wanted, most of which we learned from this forum.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask away!



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