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Every Rose Has a Thorn...

posted by: roseseek on 01.03.2013 at 06:38 pm in Roses Forum

Or, at least some prickles. While wrapping some cuttings a little while ago, in preparation for a propagation demo for South Coast Rose Society on the 17th, I grabbed a cane from the Double White Banksiae out back. It bit me! I've found prickles on it before and thought this might make an interesting example of how even the most "prickle free" roses sometimes bite. It just isn't the nature of a rose NOT to have prickles. When one arises, it's the anomaly, not its real Nature. I believe this gives some credence to the thought our prickle free forms of Banksiae are likely ancient selections. Kim



This post was edited by roseseek on Thu, Jan 3, 13 at 18:41


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Removing Buds of First-year Plants - Kim was RIGHT!

posted by: Nippstress on 05.14.2013 at 06:43 pm in Roses Forum

Yes this title states the obvious - of COURSE Kim knows more than I will ever know about roses - but I just wanted to add my voice to his wise words about helping make roses stronger in their first year. The idea is to be ruthless about pinching off any buds on a rose in its first year to force it to dig deep and make stronger roots to support the plant. This is particularly important for those of us in cold zones since having a strong root system is often the single factor in a marginally hardy or just plain wimpy rose surviving our winters. I presume the same is true in hot zones for roses surviving your summers.

It's one thing to know this, but an entirely different thing to do it. I recently recommended this to a rose buddy in my area and her reply was "I just can't stand to do it - does it really make that much difference?" Well, yep, in my yard it really did. I had a mostly new bed of roses where I ruthlessly pinched off any blooms last year, and it was hard to see dozens of green blobs doing lots of nothing. I plant a lot of roses each year, but last year I resolved to be faithful about cruising the beds and looking for cheeky little first year roses trying to bloom behind my back. On the one hand it was easier to find the buds since there was precious little to deadhead in that exceptional drought we were in, but on the other hand it was harder to stand pinching off the few blooms that were brave enough to try.

After 7 years or so of rose growing, I can add my testimony that it really made a difference. Usually I lose around 20% of my HT/floris over the winter and chalk it up to varieties of roses that are commonly listed as not being hardy in our zone 5. I figured my odds were good at that survival rate. Well so far, out of around 200 HT/floribundas planted last year I think I've only lost about 10 that weren't on their way out anyway by the end of last summer. I finally had success overwintering Deep Secret and Black Pearl, both of which were on their third and last try in my yard. Heck, I even had Tom Brown survive mostly unscathed, and he's a notorious wimp!

So thank you Kim, and all the other wise folks that have chimed in. Now go be ruthless with those first year roses, and they'll thank you next year and for years to come. In the meantime, plant some annuals for color in the rose beds and don't expect anything beyond survival at first.


P.S. OK, one little whine - if the rose has succeeded in sneaking behind my back and is JUST about to bloom, is it spending that much more energy to go ahead and let it bloom, or should I still be ruthless? It seems like once it's produced the flower maintaining it isn't much extra work, but I'm probably quibbling. Like everything it's a tradeoff of benefits to pain, but that one's the hardest situation to be wicked to the poor thing.


clipped on: 05.15.2013 at 12:28 am    last updated on: 05.15.2013 at 12:28 am

Facing a Changing Climate in My Garden

posted by: ingrid_vc on 05.13.2013 at 11:57 pm in Antique Roses Forum

This spring has been unique in several ways. There was very little rain in the winter, bad for plants and animals, including the two-legged variety. For the first time in the many, many years I've lived in this part of southern California, there has been no "May gloom", a fairly long period of cloudy, cool weather where you only see a hazy sun in the afternoon. I also don't ever remember it being over 100 degrees on Mother's Day and the day after, and the garden is showing the stress. Last year was a record year for heat, drought, hurricanes and tornadoes, and I envision the same thing happening this summer. In other words, it's not going to get better.

In view of that, I'm taking a long, hard look at the roses in my garden. Some of them look worse now than they did in August and September of last year, in the hottest part of the summer. I've decided that, in view of the fact that the heat will probably get worse in the coming years, the roses that are doing so poorly now are not going to stay. Alexander Hill Gray, a mildew disaster whose flowers went from buds to shriveled without ever opening, is gone, as is Sister Elizabeth, for a similar reason. Leveson-Gower, a rose I love, may also be gone soon since it is showing sign of rust for the second year in a row, and I just don't tolerate rust.

The news is not all bad. Earth Song, which I acquired last fall, had an open flower which did not show any sign of shriveling, even though it's planted close to a large area of concrete. Little White Pet, bought early this year, is sporting a pristine little flower on a healthy little plant, and Pink Lafayette and Pink Rosette are doing equally well. Lavender Mist looks lovely with its many small blooms, and Pretty Jessica and Sophy's Rose, in afternoon sun, are holding up well. I'm not sure at this point whether I'll replace the roses I'm discarding with tougher ones or will simply plant something else there, but at this point not throwing more precious water at roses that can't stand up to the prevailing climate gives me a good feeling. It makes the roses that are doing well in this heat all the more precious to me.



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Powdery Mildew

posted by: nummykitchen on 05.11.2013 at 09:26 am in Roses Forum

After we spray to treat, should we remove the powdery mildew canes/leaves?

I was just about to start my prevention spraying for bs and pm when I noticed a rose I just bought has powdery mildew on one branch and I haven't really dealt with it before. Will it pass it to nearby roses?



clipped on: 05.11.2013 at 03:31 pm    last updated on: 05.11.2013 at 03:31 pm

Leaves on bottom of bush

posted by: andreark on 05.11.2013 at 12:25 pm in Roses Forum

Is there a way to encourage more leaves on the bottom
of a bush?



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posted by: Rachel.E on 05.10.2013 at 08:49 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Okay pros...give me the scoop on disbudding. When do I do it? Why do I do it? How do I do it?

As a reminder, I'm in Central Texas. My plants are all babies, in the ground less than a couple of months, but they are all quite large and very healthy. They came own-root from ARE for the most part.

My Graham Thomas decided to become a bud machine this week. There are at least 4 or 5 canes with 4 or 5 buds at the ends of each one. Previously, I've only gotten a single bloom at a time, but he is going crazy or something. Do I pinch off a couple of them and only leave the biggest? Or let them all bloom?

I also have a tiny little Duchesse de Brabant who is putting out tons of new growth. I bought it as a "dormant" rose at the grocery store, and it has only been planted about a month or so. It is trying to put out some tiny little buds. Do I let it bloom? Or disbud?

Hit me with your wisdom.



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Mystified by mix-ups

posted by: jaspermplants on 12.15.2011 at 10:32 am in Antique Roses Forum

In the past few years of growing old roses I have been mystified by a couple roses that have been mis-identified in the past. To my eyes they look nothing like each other, but, from my reading, I've noted they were mixed up in the "olden days". A couple are:

Sombreiul and Mlle de Sombrieul: I grow both and they look nothing like each other in leaf and form of the plant. Sombrieul is stiff and very very thorny and Mlle de Sombrieul has much fewer thorns and is a more lax grower. I'm not sure about the blooms since Mlle de S. hasn't bloomed yet (though it's been in the ground for 2 years!)

Gen. Schlablakine and Mons. Tillier: I grow both and the blooms are entirely different to me. I really can't see how these were mixed up.

Any ideas on how these mix ups happen and anyone noticed others like this?


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A Fondness For Fragrance

posted by: sandandsun on 09.06.2011 at 09:26 pm in Roses Forum

While searching for threads about fragrant roses I just found your discussion of fragrance in the November 2010 thread: "Question about fragrance" (link below) and the linked article on HMF in it. I missed it back then, so I want to say thank you now.
Thank you!

And I'm getting Fragrant Plum. Thank you again. And at least one other of your mentioned headliners. Thank you again.

Last year at a local nursery I was doing my stick my nose in it routine and I stuck my nose in the HT 'Dolly Parton'. Making myself walk away was a very difficult task. If I were Ms. Parton I would be flattered and proud beyond words that something that smelled that good was named for me. No, I didn't buy it. It was grafted and had that very ugly grafted bush look - maybe you're familiar? I call it knobby knee syndrome.
Plus, my climate is challenging to say the least - murderous to approach accuracy and I hadn't researched her for disease susceptibility, etc.

Is anyone growing Dolly and able to report on her abilities to survive?

Oh yeah. Thanks again Kim.

Here is a link that might be useful: Question about fragrance


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RE: Species Roses (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: bluegirl on 01.09.2013 at 02:21 pm in Roses Forum

so where are you enablers getting your species like R. fedtschenkoana? I see Marissa at Greenmantle has it & many others listed but haven't contacted her to see if they are in stock. Only other one I know of that keeps a fairly large inventory of species is Forestfarm.

What about R. setipoda? I read one author comment that it has fragrant foliage--love that--does it smell to you? Used to have R. glutinosa (from FF) & it did smell wonderful. Sadly, I've lost it & haven't found it available for quite a while.

And (okay, I should start a separate thread & will if necessary) Please describe the R. foetida scent, as you smell it. I'm bewildered by the wildly varying descriptions. I personally don't find the scent of linseed oil objectionable, though it seems a strange description for a floral scent. And just as a personal example, I like the scent of real myrrh (Commnifera sp.) but don't find that it resembles anice or liquorice, which I don't care for. The myrrh/anice scent seems to be used a lot to describe many Austins (does this relate to a common ancestor that he used in his breeding?) I also like the complex smell of patchouli, FWIW, though folks seem to either love it or LOATHELOATHELOATHE ! it.
(okay, too many ?s, but what the heck, I'll try here first then post separately if you think I should)


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