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RE: intelliflo pump (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: deeker on 07.21.2007 at 01:22 pm in Pools & Spas Forum

Kelly,
I have read many contributions you have given to the general public on this board. You deservedly have a great following and your thoughts are usually right on. You have been a great help to many on this board.

I just have to take issue with your above post for several reasons.

You obviously do not live in California nor do you write your check every month to SDG&E. If you did you would not have posted what you just did.

I honestly do not care what eann buys as far as equipment - the reason is I think I know who the builder is (there are very few builders in San Diego that use Jandy) and if it is who I think it is I do not want him buying our equipment for several reasons. Pentair is far better off letting Jandy have that account.

My issue with your post is how could you possibly recommend a 2 speed? Anybodys including Pentair WhisperFlo, on the pool eann described. The bottom line a pool with 2 skimmers and a salt chlorinator at low speed is never going to work properly for long - You cannot get enough flow. The filter dirt will shut down that flow so quick that the homeowner will be forced to go to high speed - losing any energy savings. Pumps do not even prime well at low speed - almost all have to primed at high speed for several minutes - again losing energy savings because they have to prime at high speed.. Never mind the switch used in 2 speed motors that shift speeds from high to low is barely adequate as best - it will not last long with all the switching. With 2 speeds you have no choices in speeds other than high and low.

Secondly I think your pricing is way out of whack. Eann was asked to use the IntelliFlo 4x160. I think you are in the pool business and can easily see your cost difference between a 2 HP 2 speed and a 4x160 - see PWP flyer.

Your cost is not 1300 bones !!
Your cost is 718 bones !! If you are being quoted 1300 bones you are being taken advantage of and are not doing your pricing homework.
Your cost on a Jandy 2.5 HP Stealth P/N SHPM2.5-2 speed) should be about 240.00 less than a 4x160.

You also do not have any concept of what people pay in San Diego for energy. I am attaching below SDG&E room by room guide on energy costs - go to page 4 and look at a 2HP. These people pay between .28 cents to .47 a kilowatt for energy to run a pump per hour. Lets split the difference and say the average is .37 cents an hour. For 8 hours a day times 30 days for this one pump these people pay 89.00 a month minimum for one pump. Most of these pools have more than one pump.

Finally and I have said this many times already on this board homeowners are getting this way before the pool professionals - because they foot the bill. The train has left the station on variable speed and is not the future but is the now.

Lastly the savings using a 4x160 is easily 50% for several reasons: rare earth magnets Finally and I have said this many times already on this board homeowners are getting this way before the pool professionals - because they foot the bill. The train has left the station on variable speed and is not the future but the now.

Lastly the savings using a 4x160 is easily 50% for several reasons: magnets in the pump reducing AMP draw, versatility in RPM's (305 speeds verse 2 speeds) and finally a product that is set to the speed that is needed to do the job and not be wasteful- not like the past and guess present in certain instances where the pump was plunked in and people had to live with it because that is what it is. Noise level, which again are important to people in California and elsewhere due to the lot sizes are tremendously quieter.

Again on 2 speeds: example at 40 GPM's at low you will use about 300 watts - a 4x160 will use about 180 watts - thats 40% savings on low speed alone.

Again on 2 speeds: example at 40 GPM's at low you will use about 300 watts - a 4x160 will use about 180 watts - thats 40% savings on low speed alone.

Kelly not mad just trying to keep the facts between the ditches.

Deek

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.sdge.com/forms/energycosts.pdf

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RE: help !!concrete tile vs. shingle roofs in sw florida (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: fixizin on 08.20.2006 at 02:47 am in Remodeling Forum

Bev27, if that "less than 20 years" is on a replacement roof, that's about all you get in So-Fla. I do not know why original tile roofs last 25 years but replacement tile roofs only last 16-18 years... BIG MYSTERY!?!? You'd think the tract home builders would be using the cheaper underlayment, etc. Might have to do with trusses sagging over time...?

(FYI: if you ARE on your original tile roof, when they strip it off, every ceiling in your house will crack a little, because the trusses will "bounce back" when that tremendous weight is removed. No biggie, a bit of spackling and paint... but save the interior re-mod/re-paint 'til after the roof job. ;')

I'm in Ft. Laud, got the worst of Wilma, and the houses with cheapie thin shingles took flight, while those with heavier higher quality shingles were fine. If your area of SW FL has not yet adopted the Miami-Dade codes (as Broward has), then it's up to you to get familiar with them, and get quotes based on that... e.g. RING-SHANK NAILS, closer nail spacing, etc.

That said, NO, you do NOT want to downgrade to asphalt shingles. The concrete (not thin clay barrel tiles) tiles will last 2.5-3 times longer than shingles, PLUS the esthetics, property value, and COOLING COSTS issues. If upfront cost is an issue, the recent run-up in values should give you plenty of equity to borrow against.

Having my own home plus rental props in So-Fla, I realize that I am really just RENTING MY ROOF... yep, it's about $100/month/property! (OOPS, that's 2003 pricing... )

The experience vireyafl had in Andrew with CEMENT-glued tiles is no longer a problem if the new EPOXY FOAM is used--it's rated for 208MPH! Make sure you get that too.

The METAL roofing sounds promising, but of course the problem is finding a roofer that KNOWS how to install it properly. Perhaps mfrs. websites list roofers they have certified via training and inspection of their jobs.

Of course since the attic is well-nigh useless in So-Fla, I'd REALLY rather have the all-concrete roof (pre-stressed T-sections anyone?), and only have to worry about caulking up the seams every N years. ;')

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RE: I Wish Someone Had Told Me... (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: disneyrsh on 05.30.2008 at 07:37 am in Bathrooms Forum

These are great suggestions! Some, like what the bottom of the tub sits in, hadn't even occurred to me!

Just frome devouring this page yesterday (I'm normally over on the buying and selling page), I've learned:

1. Caulk not grout in corners

2. Vapor barrier under cement board don't use greenboard, and use 6 mil plastic and staple it.

3. 1/8 sanded grout lines and porcelain tile (I actually knew that one)

4. Kilz exposed studs during remodel if you see water damage (I may just replace them, though)

5. Bathroom vanity kitchen height (we're really tall)

6. Maybe I don't want a frameless neo angle shower, after alll...

7. Thermostatic shower control

8. Hinged drop down seat in snower

9. Tile baseboards, not wood (had already decided that one)

10. Get a Toto or American Standard cadet toilet, ADA height (again, knew about the ADA stuff because we're tall, but not what the good brands were)

11. Plugs INSIDE cabinet (that had never occurred to me!)

Thanks for the good suggestions and keep 'em coming!

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RE: Check out my own design to present to PB... (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: sharla on 07.28.2007 at 12:23 am in Pools & Spas Forum

I think it looks good- just make sure the pool light/lights face away from the house. (I didn't see them on the drawing).

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