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RE: Long Rugosa branch: prune or not (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: Thorntorn on 04.28.2013 at 12:42 am in Roses Forum

Roseraie de l'Haye is my favorite large (bush and flower), hybrid rugosa. I have grown it as a climber on a 4 ft. fence where it spread 5+ feet in each direction from the crown. Tip to tip it easily covering 10-12 feet of the fence. This means that some of the canes were 10+ feet long measured from the crown to the cane tip, following its curve as it lie tied to the fence. My RDLH would make 1 -2 new 10+ basal canes a year, until at about age 6 it slowed down with the basal canes, evidently reaching its mature size. Every couple years the oldest basal cane is removed as close to the crown as possible. These old basal canes begin to slow down in producing flowers. Always maintain at least 6 thick basal canes. This makes for a mature full bush. You already have your first one. It will be the first to be pruned out 6 or so years from now.

The canes of RDLH are a bit stiffer than most climber's canes so it needs a bit or 'man handling' to get it tied down properly if it is to be grown as a climber, and the super abundance of thorns are not easy to overlook, but for disease resistance, rich flower color and size, and powerful fragrance this rose possesses cannot be beat.

As a free standing shrub it should be let to grow as it wants to, canes arching in all directions, only pruned very, very lightly just to aid in it balancing itself, or to remove dead wood. It will develop a somewhat arching form in time, but not like say to the extent that a forsythia bush arches and cascades

Looking at your photo:.

The older branches on your RDLH are characteristic of growth given by young bushes. Its first 'grown up' cane is the one your inquiry is about. As RDLH matures expect most growth to be long canes like this first one emerging from the crown, pointing in time, in all directions as the bush fills in. It will also grow with many flowering (lateral) canes considerably shorter in growth emerging from along the length of these basal canes. They fill in the bush, giving it substance, while the basal canes give the bush its structure.

Hope you like RDLH as much as I do.

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RE: tea roses in North Georgia? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: anntn6b on 04.24.2012 at 10:22 am in Antique Roses Forum

I am north of you and at an elevation of 1100'. Unless you are in a frost hollow in north Georgia, my gardens are probably at least half a zone colder than yours.

I've grown tea roses for over a decade. With success.

Forget what you learned about hybrid teas; they really aren't all that closely related. Treat teas as woody shrubs that you allow to build on growth year after year. Fertilize spring and early summer; don't fertilize fall because many winters you'll loose that growth in January or early February. That growth will come (anyway) but you don't want to diret it.

Water the tea roses; they like that.

You don't have to grow them up against a warm wall; they are happy here as long as they aren't in shade.

(Then look to chinas for hotter spots with major drainage and to noisettes for cluster blooming masses.)

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RE: I bought Mermaid....HELP! Kim? Jeri???? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: campanula on 04.16.2013 at 04:57 am in Antique Roses Forum

Don't be scared, Susan, this is eminently do-able. There is a huge (aren't they always) Mermaid at my sons housing co-op which covers the whole wall up to 7m high and as much wide.
Firstly, the wire - do not skimp on this - get galvanised steel, 3-5 ply. Single strand wire will break under the weight of the canes. Make sure the wires are taut by using tension bearers/ straining wires (I dunno what you call them in the states, but your hardware shop will know - they enable you to tighten the wires once they are in place and allow for later sagging).
Vine eyes - these are what the wire passes through and must be placed every 4-6feet - try to get the 6inch ones and get at least half of that in the concrete -You will need a good masonry drill with plenty of torque and punch, on hammer setting. Hold the vine eyes in place with rawl plugs.
Start the first row of wires about 18inches from the floor and space them every 18inches up to the top (Yeah, I know, there is no way you are going to disguise this from your dad......but spend a bit of time looking at pics and you will see that the results can be spectacular).
Pruning - Mermaid has reddish, flexible stems with many prickles - get some good gauntlets and do not wait until spring to prune - you can do it around November. Be harsh. Remove every side shoot by at least two thirds - this will hold the rose to a flatter, more 2dimensional space because you do not want it flinging arching canes out as an attack rose.
Again, don't be scared - you CAN do this.
The big plus about Mermaid is the rather good glossy foliage which is a perfect foil for the enormous moon-like flowers. The whole garage wall will eventually be hidden. You will be able to lean a ladder against the whole thing to get to the top branches.
Yes, it is thorny BUT NOT MORE THAN MANY OTHER ROSES. The position you have chosen is completely perfect for this rose but do not expect it to cover itself in blooms - it has roses more 'dotted about' and looks gorgeous as an informal cottage-y wall cover.

Alternatively, you could just get a wisteria.

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RE: Eyeconic Pomegranate Lemonade (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: campanula on 03.31.2013 at 03:44 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have had a fondness for these roses since Harkness created Euphrates but these later hybrids appear to have outstanding disease resistance along with the beautiful and innovative flower (heps, sadly missing) - really remarkable - totally healthy in my tiny garden where every other rose is guaranteed to show at least a smattering of BS or mildew (and even rust, some years). If this health continues down later breeding lines, I think these roses will reach beyond the novelty market and have a definite role to play in hybridising. Kudos to Jim Sproul and Chris Warner.
Here's my Eyes for You

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The Allure of The Early English Roses

posted by: rideauroselad on 01.23.2013 at 08:40 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I've just quit painting for the day. DW and I are doing yet more updating our 105 year old Victorian House and I need spend some time thinking about my passions rather than painting trim.

So on to rose talk. I've long been an admirer of David Austin and his marvelous breeding program. Some people love to hate him, but if it weren't for Entlish roses, I'd likely have quit growing roses in my cold climate. I first fell in love with David Austin's roses in a much warmer climate almost twenty years ago. The fact that many of his roses are relatively hardy here in Eastern Ontario, 4b, makes them even more dear to me as a passionate rose gardener in a rose challenged climate. Its -20 C outside and going to - 28 C or colder tonight. So once more, my roses will be tested by a cold Canadian Winter.

Many of the Early English Roses prove hardy because of the fact that they have OGR and Rugosa breeding very close up in their genetics. This in my view also helps to give many of them a much more OGR habit, and form as plants than a lot of the newer releases. Yes, perhaps they are not as continuous flowering as the newer releases, but their hardiness and shrubby habit more than make up for that in my garden.

Some of my favorites are:

Cressida (1983):

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This image of Cressida is one taken by Tivoli Rose, Susan, from New York, who used to frequent the forum. It is one of the most gorgeous rose photos I have ever seen. I hope she does not mind me linking to it, credit where credit is due.

Cressida has been one of my favorite roses every since I first saw / smelled her. She is one of the most fragrant roses I have ever smelled. Potent, delicious and fruity scent, of Myrrh and old fashioned perfume. Her blooms are ruffled and pleasingly dishevelled and have a rare old time charm with a hint of her Noisette / Climbing Tea ancestry, through Gloire de Dijon. She is three quarters Gallica through her pollen parent Chaucer and half Rugossa hybrid through her seed parent Conrad Ferdinand Meyer. She does best as a grafted plant. I have tried to grow her own root several times, but while she strikes cuttings easily, they remain extremely small, miniature size, for me. We shall give her a real test for hardiness this week. I did not winter protect her this year and the nights are very cold this week.

Lilian Austin:

Rosa Lilian Austin photo PA061023.jpg

Lillian Austin is a standout for her colour, rapid rebloom and cold hardiness. She is low growing and a bit sprawling, would make a good landscape rose. her blooms are a gorgeous salmon colour with a yellow centre and are especially lovely in cooler weather. I have grown her forever and would not be without her. Her cold hardiness is a bit of a mystery. Her breeding is full of tender Hybrid Teas and Floribundas with a only a little Gallica and Rosa Foeteda a long way back. But never the less, she must have inherited a cold hardiness gene from one of her ancestors, because she survives zone 4b winters year after year.

Redoute (1992 sport of The Mary Rose 1983):

Redoute photo GardenTour070002.jpg

Redoute is a sport of The Mary Rose, and I love its blush pink colour. He is also healthy, fragrant, vigorous, has prolific rebloom and is reliably winter hardy in my garden. I grow several plants of Redoute and Wichester Cathedral, a White Sport of The Mary Rose, in my garden. There is Gallica again, three generations back and that is where I presume the winter hardiness trait came from. No winter protection for these plants either.

William Shakespeare, the original (1987):

William Shakespear photo DSCF0091.jpg

This is one of Mr. Austin's roses that has been "superceded". Not just superceded, but he has in fact named another rose William Shakespear 2000. I have grown both, but William Shakespear 2000 has left the garden after four years and several moves to try to make him happy. The original for me in my garden is vastly superior and remains. He is much more shrubby, vigorous, healthier, more winter hardy and just as good a bloomer. His flowers are larger and more of a garnet crimson that fades to a pleasing mauve purple similar to some of the old Gallica roses such as Hippolyte and Charles de Milles. The colour in my photo is a little washed out, so I have linked to a website with some gorgeous photos of this rose. Another early English rose I adore.

Well, I've gone on quite a while, got the rose bug out of my system for now on this cold January day. I've been hearing its cold in California. Sorry bout that, but I suspect its a wee bit colder here in the Great White North.

Cheers, Rick

Here is a link that might be useful: William Shakespeare at Démons et Merveilles

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RE: The Allure of The Early English Roses (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: rideauroselad on 02.06.2013 at 10:29 am in Antique Roses Forum

I too grew A;mbridge Rose, but for me as well, she was just plagued by Blackspot and defoliated by mid July. When she was in first flush however, her flowers were wonderful, as was her potent fragrance. I was just looking through my photobucket albums to see if I could find an image of her that I once had and liked very much, no luck though. As stated in the thread above, roses will perform differently in differnt gardens, so if you can grow her well in your garden, Ambridge Rose is definitely a treasure.

While looking through my albums, I found some more images of some of the cultivars I initiated this post with. Here are a few more:

Lilian Austin X 2

Lilian Austin photo P6160063.jpg

Lilian Austin photo LillianA2.jpg

William Shakespeare (Original, 1987) X 2:

William Shakespear - Original photo DSCF0046.jpg

William Shakespear - Original photo DSCF0040.jpg

Redoute:

Redoute photo Redoute.jpg

And while I was browsing images, I came across the two images below of another early, hard to find favorite that I have grown forever. The rose is Bredon, bred from Wife of Bath and Lilian Austin. He is short, under three feet for me, has an uprigh habit, very healthy in my garden, floriferous and quite winter hardyin 4b. He has a pleasant, mild fruity fragrance. I began rooting cuttings from my plant last year because he is becomming hard to find, though Hortico in Canada and a few nurseries in the U.S. still list him. He is in the same category as Potter & Moore, an early Austin cultivar that never got much attention and was never wikely grown. He is another of the early English Roses that deserves much wider cultivation IMHO.

Bredon (1984)

Bredon photo P6160054.jpg

Rosa Bredon photo PA061032.jpg

Jeri and Ingrid, you have both enabled me, Cymbeline and Potter & Moore are now on the top of my cultivars to trial list. Thank goodness I already have two plants of Pretty Jessica and one of Claire Rose coming in April. Too many roses, too little room.

I am really enjoying chatting with you all in this thread, it is giving me a much needed winter rose fix.

Cheers, Rick

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RE: Graham Thomas synchronicity (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: roseseek on 04.10.2013 at 06:36 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Roses by Harkness; the paper back edition of Rose Growing Complete by LeGrice (more complete than the 1965 hard back edition); The Complete Rosarian by Norman Young; Roses from Dreams to Reality by Swim; Papa Floribunda, the Gene Boerner Story; anything by J. H. Nicholas, particularly A Rose Odyssey; Hennessey on Roses by Roy Hennessey (you will laugh yourself silly. He was SUCH a curmudgeon and so hotly opinionated!) among others are great reads which will teach you MUCH. If you're in California and want to know everything there is to know about horticultural history, particularly about SoCal, Victoria Padilla's Southern California Gardens is a MUST. The first edition is large format and very expensive. There is a reprint in more usual book size with a cover price of $39.95. Amazon loves to supply you the $40 book for over $100, so beware. It's happened to several I know. They'll refund it if you make a loud enough stink, but why have to?

Thomas' trilogy is a wonderful read, but unless you live in a climate similar to his, do not take anything he says to heart. You will not enjoy the results. MANY of us ignorantly believed what he said about the cold hardy OGRs, spending much money, time and effort until we learned what he wrote is only applicable to HIS type of climates. The same holds true for anything written by Beales. Don't get me wrong, these writers were "experts", they wrote wonderfully and did great things for the world of roses, but their advice and recommendations ONLY apply to THEIR climates. If they are to be faulted, it would be for not realizing and stating "your mileage may vary" and explaining why. That would have saved many from failing and feeling they just can't grow roses. Kim

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Pretty Peach Silk

posted by: kittymoonbeam on 04.10.2013 at 09:41 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

I don't have many climbers or peachy/ orange roses but this one I truly love.

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RE: Pretty Peach Silk (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: kittymoonbeam on 04.10.2013 at 09:44 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

The Albertine rambler on the shed roof

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RE: Mission Impossible? Teas in 4 hours of sun? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jerijen on 04.05.2013 at 10:56 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I think it depends upon the Tea.

Lady Hillingdon, maybe. Mons. Tillier. Rosette Delizy?

NOT the Cochets.

Better off with the Nabonnands. Gen. Gallieni, G. Nabonnand, Rosette Delizy -- they seem less-fussy to me, and their blooms open more easily. Maybe, I might start with G. Nabonnand.

None of the Nabonnands mildew for me, Diane -- and we, too, have cool coastal air and fog.

But keep in mind that you will get less bloom, than if they were in the sun.

OH, and don't get discouraged if they mildew when they're immature. We DO see that, and most outgrow it.

Le Vesuve mildewed its way through 5 years or so, and left for the landfill. Mme. Antoine Rebe is on her way to the landfill, after 5-6 mildewy years.

BUT, FWIW, let me tell you that we have a massive "Grandmother's Hat" under the canopy of a huge (and I do mean 3-story) seedling avocado tree. It is completely healthy, and blooms just fine.

Jeri

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RE: Cocoa Mulch for nitrogen and potassium (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: rosefolly on 04.09.2013 at 12:07 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Strawberryhill, I have read your tales of your garden experiments with great enjoyment. You clearly have an inquiring mind and a keen sense of adventure, and you share my fascination with soil as the fundamental source of garden success. I don't know what your actual profession is but I think you would have been very well suited to the world of science.

The general rule of amending soil it to mix in only material that is completely composted. It can be horse manure, pine needles, whatever you like, as long as it is composted to the point that you cannot tell anymore by looking what the source material was. Good compost will resemble dark soil. Composted horse manure no longer even smells like horse manure. You can handle it with your bare hands and it has no ick factor. Similarly, composted pine needles have broken down so much you can't tell that they started out as pine needles. Why? Because as long as these materials are still breaking down, they will tie up the nitrogen in the soil for their decomposition process. If they are using the nitrogen, it will not be available for your plants to use.

On the other hand, these same materials before they are broken down, or partially broken down, are highly beneficial as a layer sitting on the surface of the soil. This is exactly what happens to build soil in nature either in a forest or a grassland. There the material will act as mulch, doing all the truly wonderful things that mulch can do for your soil. The nitrogen tie-up will only take place where the soil and the mulch actually touch, so the plants are not impacted. Over time, the soil microbes and worms carry all that good stuff down where it is beneficial, and in a form that improves the health of the soil.

There are a couple of outstanding authors that have helped me sort out advice I've read or been told that sounds good from what actually works. At one time I was impressed by a lot of sincerely well-meant advice that I later set aside. Anyway, here the authors.

Linda Chalker-Scott
The Informed Gardener
The Informed Gardener Blooms Again

Jeff Gillman
The Truth About Garden Remedies
The Truth About Organic Gardening
Decoding Garden Advice

All of these books are available in paperback, and many libraries will have them as well.

Finally here is another quite wonderful book that would be enjoyed by anyone as intrigued by soil as I am, and you clearly are as well.

Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis

Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardner's Guide to the Soil Food Web

Happy reading and happy gardening!

Rosefolly

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RE: Ideas for fantastic Clematis Combos wanted!! (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: twrosz on 02.01.2012 at 10:37 pm in Clematis Forum

Had previously posted this under the wrong thread :(

I've paired the following up and will post pictures this summer

Viola with Princess Diana

Barbara Harrington and Perle d'Azur

Ville de Lyon and Prince Charles

Perle d'Azur and Marie Cornelia

Emilia Plater and Madame Julia Correvon, looks especially good!

Ville de Lyon and Romantika

Florida Sieboldii with Barbara Harrington

Perle d'Azur with Comtesse de Bouchaud ... really prudy together!

Terrance

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A hybrid wichurana Madame Alice Garnier

posted by: lynnette on 03.02.2013 at 04:49 pm in Antique Roses Forum

This is an ideal rambler for smaller gardens. Only grows to about 12 feet in my garden.

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RE: Vignettes of roses and companions (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: mendocino_rose on 03.30.2013 at 07:40 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Suan have you heard of Stephen Scaniello's book? I think it's called Roses and Their Companions. I found it very helpful. How exciting that you have grown all these plants from seed. I can't imagine you going wrong.
Here's one photo. I find it's rather difficult to find a perfect one involving companions.

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RE: Jean Bach Sisley and Le Vesuve (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: luxrosa on 03.30.2013 at 08:18 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I've been using Epsom salts to encourage growth on China and Tea roses for the last couple years after reading about it's use for roses in general, in a British gardening book
The standard amount for an average sized rosebush is 1/3rd of a cup of Epson Salts dissolved in a gallon of hot water and then cooled, given once a year in spring.

Be sure the ground is moist before you add the epson salts. I mix in a bit of 12-12-12 fertilizer for small rosebushes, and 16-16-16 for those that are more than 4' tall, and climbers.
I had amazing success with this for getting Le Pactole, and other Teas to get a move on. Before Epson salts Le Pactole bought as a band sized plant in spring of 2011, grew less than a foot in its first year in my garden despite wonderfully amended soil and all the love and praise I could give it.
In spring of 2012 I gave it a couple T. of Epson salts with 12-12-12 fertilizer, after I saw that it tolerated this well, I repeated this six weeks later. My Le Pactole' doubled in size over an 8th month period.
Le Pactole is one of the' slowest to build size" Old Garden Teas.
Now, on March 31, 2013 it is waist high and almost as wide,
Oh joy!
I gave Epson salts and fertilizer as stated above to Monsieur Tilllier and my plant bought in January 2012, as a gallon sized rosebush from a.r.e, grew to be 4 and 1/2 feet by September of the same year. My neighbor bought the same cultivar from a.r.e 2 months earlier than mine and her plant is still c. half the size of mine, on March 31,2013 and she has excellent soil and cultivation methods and means.
Best wishes for lovely roses,
Luxrosa

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RE: Orange rose/companion plant color combo? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: campanula on 03.03.2013 at 03:28 pm in Roses Forum

Not much of a pastel fan so would agree, purple/deep red with orange is a good combo. I like to stir this up even more with the acid green of euphorbia or mollucella or the sharp green of nicotiana langsdorfii and deschampsia 'Tatra Gold'.

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RE: Orange rose/companion plant color combo? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: nanadoll on 03.03.2013 at 02:52 pm in Roses Forum

If you want to try penstemon, as Kim suggested, you might try "Blackberry Ice", with rich purple blooms that are produced all summer. It grows 25-30 inches tall, and deer and rabbits seem to totally avoid it. Other good purples are the echinacea or coneflowers, and a fairly new variety, "Pow Wow Wildberry" is a short one. I think the taller varieties bloom more, however. Coreopsis "Heaven's Gate" is a good short purple, and a new variety with a deep purplish color "Mercury Rising" is one I'm eager to try. A favorite of mine is the la Bella series of snapdragons. These include the gorgeous, long blooming la Bella purple. They have an open azalea type bloom. I like to fill in here and there with purple osteospernum Atrican Daisies in the short varieties. Other good plants which are a little bluer, but have some lavender tendencies are the hardy geraniums, "Rozanne" which has an especially long bloom time, and "New Hampshire". Hope this helps a little. Diane

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RE: Orange rose/companion plant color combo? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: roseseek on 03.03.2013 at 04:32 am in Roses Forum

One of the most dramatic combinations I accidentally had in the old garden was the orange floribunda Orangeade with Raven penstemon (dark, violet purple) and violet columbines. I'd not deliberately put the colors together, though I like that combination. They helped themselves to each others' spaces. Another which was quite striking was Silver Charm (lavender, single floribunda) with myosotis (baby blue eyes). You have the lavender tones and you're adding orange. I'd pump in some deep, glowing violet with just a touch of butter yellow to round it out a bit. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Raven Penstemon

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RE: Recommendations for shrubbiest, most vigorous hybrid teas (Follow-Up #19)

posted by: harmonyp on 01.19.2013 at 10:50 am in Roses Forum

Blueberry Hill
blueberryhill2

Just Joey
justjoey1
justjoeyanddutty

Miss All American Beauty
missallamericanbeauty2

Plus seconds on: Dick Clark and Cherry Parfait

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RE: any suggestions for perennials to plant with my roses? (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: mariannese on 02.23.2013 at 05:27 am in Antique Roses Forum

I like the maroon Greek scabious, Knautia macedonica, as a filler with pale yellow roses. With pink and red roses I use most of the blues already mentioned that are suitable in my climate. Astrantias come in many shades of greenish white, pink and red and can be discrete companions to many roses. Astrantia 'Roma' with 'Jacqueline du Pré' in the photo.

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RE: any suggestions for perennials to plant with my roses? (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: AquaEyes on 02.23.2013 at 12:44 am in Antique Roses Forum

I can't really comment on what plants will do well in Texas heat from my own experience (I've gardened on Long Island, and am starting a new one in central NJ), but if you want some good ideas on what might work, check out Plant Delights Nursery. Their plants are big and healthy, and they offer realistic reviews of how plants do in their heat and humidity (they're in North Carolina). They tend to veer toward the unusual, but also offer selections of more common plants which don't melt in their climate. When I was looking for something unusual (or just happened to really like something in their online catalog), I was happy to order from them. As far as "basic" companion perennials, also check out Bluestone Perennials. Their plants tend to be smaller, but very healthy, and I've ordered from them many times -- always happy with what I got.

http://www.bluestoneperennials.com/

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: Plant Delights Nursery

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RE: any suggestions for perennials to plant with my roses? (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: hoovb on 02.22.2013 at 03:24 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Geranium 'Rozanne' is mandatory.

Geranium 'Rozanne'

former lawn

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RE: Upper Garden Roses and Irises (Follow-Up #13)

posted by: sweetannie4u on 02.20.2013 at 06:00 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

White flowering, "Darwin's Enigma" behind Hebe statue with perennial Fleabane and Rosa, Lady Elsie Mae below..
Sunny Knock Out to right of statue.

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RE: Upper Garden Roses and Irises (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: sweetannie4u on 02.20.2013 at 05:21 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

Climbing Don Juan.

White-blooming Darwin's Enigma was moved from another location to grow next to Don Juan behind the Hebe statue. I want to remove the clothesline T-post. Just need help doing that. It will be quite a chore!

Due to our continuing drought and extreme temps, Don Juan died back almost to her base. I thought it was a goner, but bounced back the following spring and look at her blooms!

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RE: Upper Garden Roses and Irises (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: sweetannie4u on 02.20.2013 at 04:58 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

View from Upper Garden looking down to entry arch of the main Rose Garden. Old Blush, cl. & Ispahan grow on the arch.

You can see Tiffany through the arch in the Rose & Iris Garden. There are also Herbs in there.

The Roman Basket Arch was my birthday present from my mother last year. I was flabbergasted!

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RE: Upper Garden Roses and Irises (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: sweetannie4u on 02.20.2013 at 04:16 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

Betty Prior rose buds

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Upper Garden Roses and Irises

posted by: sweetannie4u on 02.20.2013 at 03:46 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

Here you see:
* Betty Prior (deep pink - left),
* the dainty little blooms of Heritage (front & center),
* Blush Damask (left bottom),
* Iceberg,(peeking through Betty Prior in back),
* Ballerina (back center),
* Simply Marvelous (far back- right),
* Lady Elsie Mae (way back center)
and peeking through the Heritage bush, you can just make out one of the blooms of Belinda's Dream.
There are several more roses in this garden.

I just added two new roses this past week: "Pristine"

This is my favorite garden most of the season.

(CLICK on photos to enlarge)

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From my garden journal: Roses and Delphiniums

posted by: Molineux on 07.21.2005 at 08:56 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Originally posted on the Mid Atlantic Forum July 8th

I have delphiniums!

I've been in the Washington DC metro area for about 10 years now. About 2 and a half years ago I bought a house just north of the District in Montgomery County Maryland and have been settling in gardenwise.

I used to live in Tidewater Virginia. Back then I had a great deal of success with roses but the one perennial I wanted to grow but couldn't were delphiniums. Been lusting after these picky plants for years but the hot and humid summers would murder them outright.

Last year a Maryland forum friend recommended that I try Magic Fountain delphinums. Well I can happily report that these delphiniums have not only survived but currently have the most beautiful spires of blooms in all shades of blue and white. Of course they aren't as spectacular as the Pacific Giants but I'm not complaining. I'm THRILLED to have ANY kind of dephinium growing well in my garden. Best of all the stems are really strong and haven't needed staking. Mine are about 3 feet high.

I also have some Connecticut Yankee dephiniums but they haven't bloomed yet so the jury is still out. At least they are alive so we shall see.

Update, July 21, 2005

Temps for the past two weeks have been in the 90s with high humidity. The delphinums aren't fazed a bit. They are planted against the eastern side of the house and shielded from late afternoon sun.

ALL of the delphiniums are in bloom. The Connecticut Yankees are handling the heat every bit as good as the Magic Fountains. Electric blue color in every possible shade. The only difference is that the Magic Fountains have that stiff upright growth habit that we expect from a delphinium. The Connecticut Yankees have a tendency to twist and grow in other directions but if staked they will grow upright. On the positive side they have white "bees" in the center of the flower, which makes it look like a dwarf Pacific Giant. Both types have topped out at 3 feet tall.

Of the two I like the MAGIC FOUNTAINS better because of the growth habit. That said I'm reserving final judgement until later to see which one better handles sustained heat.

Of course, the last test takes place next season when I'll judge which one comes back the best. If they both perform then each type earns a permanent spot in the Twilight's Bower garden.

BTW, delphiniums look fabulous with roses.

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Sophy's Rose Inside

posted by: ingrid_vc on 02.08.2013 at 03:18 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I spent quite some time today trying to capture the true color of this rose, and I confess it was more difficult than any rose I've ever photographed. I don't think I succeeded completely, but I hope the pictures capture some of the charm of Sophy's Rose. I discovered it can be a good cut rose if it's picked as soon as the sepals are down, and I even tried on or two with some of the sepals still up, and even those buds opened, which is quite a feat.

As a counter to all those rose pictures, the last is of the front yard, just past the garden and concrete parking area. Just a little later now it's raining and hailing!














Ingrid

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RE: What shrubs drape like Raubritter (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 12.23.2011 at 01:59 pm in Roses Forum

I am in the wrong zone for you, but Peter Schneider's book (he gardens in Ohio) "Right Rose, Right Place" is a good place to start. I think any flexible cold hardy climber would work - you could train it over the wall just as you would along a fence. Schneider recommends Phyllis Bide as being ever blooming and very cold hardy. I grow it up a tree - here's a picture. It has thin flexible canes.

Jackie

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RE: Who Grows Phyllis Bide? (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: luxrosa on 02.07.2008 at 06:20 pm in Antique Roses Forum

We have a young "P.B." and I've seen it reach the size of a Rambler.
I reccomend "Opal Brunner" which we also grow, because it bears darling roses of several hues, on a more managable plant. Each blossom is a combination of pale rose, lilac, and light apricot, . Its' leaves are abundant and pretty, and it can be grown as a 4-5 foot tall bush or trained to grow as a short climber of c. 6 feet tall. It is a much better behaved rose than P.B.. In S. California I'd suggest giving "Opal Brunner" 1-2 hours of dappled shade, if you want the hues of the blooms to be richer.

Luxrosa

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RE: Rose Pillar construction details (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: karenforroses on 03.22.2008 at 10:15 pm in Roses Forum

My husband just designed and built two cedar pillars - he's using them as samples for a garden structure workshop he's doing with our rose society in May. Here's pictures of them in his workshop - they are built of cedar so they won't rot, and can be painted or left to weather to a gray color. One is 5' high and the other is 7' high. The curved pieces on the top of the second picture were left over pieces from an arbor he made me. He's still experimenting - hope I get to keep the samples!

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RE: Rose Pillar construction details (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: rjlinva on 03.23.2008 at 06:54 am in Roses Forum

isabella,

I grow LOTS of roses on pillars (actually rebar teepees). I simply get 3 pieces of 10 ft rebar, drive it into the ground about 20 inches (in a 3 ft triangle pattern) and secure the tops with an automotive hose clamp. I put the rose inside.
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RE: Restraining Mme Alfred Carriere on pillar? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 09.12.2011 at 08:56 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Have you considered Cl Iceberg? Even in my warm climate, it is MUCH easier to control than MAC. Don't get me wrong - I love MAC. We have three. One was planted to climb up a plum tree, did that, and also jumped over to the tops of 3 other trees. Got to the top of its original tree, and sent long canes from the top down to the base again, covering another huge (20 ft by 20 ft) shrub in the process.

Another was planted to grow up the side of our garage. Did that, and also went another 20 feet up a pine tree next to the garage, from whence it is contemplating eating the neighbor's deck.

The third one was planted (in a large pot this time!) at the base of another plum tree next to the other side of the garage. It went up the tree 20 feet, and is also now trying to cover the entire roof of the garage.

I love them because they bloom for 10 months here, and get no care from me at all, except food once a year and some water during our normal 6 month summer drought.

I would not ever try to "control" this rose -

Jackie

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RE: Sombreuil--enable me! (Follow-Up #13)

posted by: hoovb on 11.03.2008 at 04:46 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Here you go:

Sombreuil

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RE: Sombreuil--enable me! (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: carolfm on 10.31.2008 at 01:45 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I agree with Paula, it would be a painful and bloody job to try to train Sombreuil around a pillar. It could be done, nothing is impossible, but she really would be better on a wall, trellis, or somewhere you could fan the canes out and bend them as horizontally as possible. I love Sombreuil. Very fragrant, beautiful blooms, good disease resistance (even here)and plenty of blooms. You really do need her, Kate. Just maybe not on the pillar.

She's a beauty

Sombreuil

Sombreuil and clematis

Carol

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RE: Sombreuil--enable me! (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 10.31.2008 at 01:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

My Sombreuil/Colonial White started on a pillar, but soon got too tall, so my husband built an arch that spans the 8 foot distance from the pillar to our house. It has now grown up the 6 foot pillar, over the 8 foot arch, up to the roof of our 3 1/2 story house, and is even putting out long canes that would go taller than the roof if we would let them!

The wall of the house it is growing on gets a Western exposure, in sunny Calif. No crisping or blurning at all. Re cold tolerance, I understand that this rose is a Winchuriana hybrid, so it should have enough cold tolerance for your zone. Mine is perfectly healthy, and never gets sprayed (we have enough trouble going up on a 30 foot lader once a year to tie new canes up to the house!).

It blooms in waves all Spring and summer, more if you deadhead it periodically.

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RE: Pillar Roses (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: hartwood on 11.07.2012 at 08:08 am in Antique Roses Forum

Training a rose to a pillar is a cinch! I have a structure in my garden that I call The Arcade, and it has a rose trained to each of the ten posts. The trick is to limit the rose to no more than 3 or 4 main canes. Roses that produce profuse basals can work, but they're more work to keep them narrow and on the pillar than roses that don't. I wrap the long canes around the post in a spiral, all the same direction, and I tie them in place with jute twine.

The best of the roses on my Arcade, as far as their pillar performance goes, are Compassion, White Cap, Pink Pillar, Pink Perpetue, Parade, Rhode Island Red, Henry Kelsey, and Sombruiel. Isabella Skinner is there, but she isn't really suited for a pillar (because she's shrubby and doesn't want to climb.) I plan to replace her as soon as I decide which rose to put in her place. Swan Lake has beautiful flowers, but she is SO prone to blackspot and she is completely naked during most of the growing season.

Below is a link to a blog post with photos of a couple of my pillar roses ... It was from last year, but at least you can see what I'm talking about.

Connie

P.S. Search online for Paul Zimmerman's videos. He has a really good one with step by step instructions on how to pillar a rose.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pillar rose photos


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RE: Pillar Roses (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: roseseek on 11.07.2012 at 12:47 am in Antique Roses Forum

As long as you don't have heavy snow and extreme freezes to deal with, no, pillar roses are not difficult at all. We've used the shorter, "climbing" English roses as pillars (Cymbaline, English Elegance, Lucetta, Belle Story and others), either growing them up formal structures or simple tripods. The main "secret" is, unless you have a massive structure with someone to climb up there and take care of the thing for you, select a rose which doesn't massively outgrow your fixture. An eight foot structure with a twenty foot plant on it is a nightmare, no matter how beautiful it may be when in full flower.

Shorter climbers, such as Golden Showers and Social Climber; the previously mentioned Austins as well as other bushier ones which can be permitted to develop into larger plants, but not massive monsters like Graham Thomas and its like, can very easily be trained like you would a climber, but on a smaller post, obelisk, pillar, etc. You do exactly the same thing as you would for a climber.

Grandmother's Hat is a marvelous rose for that purpose here in the warmer areas. Many of the later HPs (Mrs. John Laing, Mrs. F. W. Sanford, and others which grow similarly, can easily be wrapped around a post, pillar or obelisk to produce gorgeous results.

You basically want a plant which grows like a larger, floppier bush, instead of a house eating climber, so it's easier to handle and not overpower the structure. Kim

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RE: Good roses for pillars? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: roseseek on 05.31.2011 at 04:41 pm in Antique Roses Forum

A suggestion I haven't seen made yet is thornless. Renae, Opal Brunner, Cl. Yellow Sweetheart are all fragrant, ever flowering, thornless and shade tolerant. If it's a larger pillar to arbor, my Annie Laurie McDowell is thornless, larger flowering and ever blooming. She's as fragrant as any and can be kept to a larger space. The previous three can build to that size but it takes more time. Believe me, there is NOTHING better than working with a pillar or climber that doesn't BITE! Kim

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RE: Good roses for pillars? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: lori_elf on 05.31.2011 at 03:46 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Pliable canes and roses that are vigorous but not TOO vigorous make good pillar roses. That said, most canes are more pliable when young so even some stiff-caned roses can be trained if you tie in new growth before it hardens off.

Some roses I use or would use for pillars include: Aloha, Cornelia, Mme Ernest Calvat, and Kathleen Harrop.

Here is a photo of Aloha:

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RE: Good roses for pillars? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: rosefolly on 05.30.2011 at 11:26 am in Antique Roses Forum

You want roses that throw out long, pliable canes from the base, and not too many. You don't want roses with rigid canes like Dortmund, or climbers that build on older growth like Jacob's Ladder, or roses that produce the right kind of canes but so many of them that you can't keep up with them like Chevy Chase or Louise Odier.

One rose that works well on a pillar for me is the HP Ferdinand Pichard. I do need to go in and work on it two or three times a season, and occasionally tuck in a straying cane, but all in all that's not bad.

Rosefolly

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RE: Looking for climbing rose that has nice foliage after bloom (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: videocheez on 02.05.2013 at 10:40 pm in Roses Forum

I again want to thank all of you who have replied to my post. You have given me wonderful ideas and suggestions for climbing roses. I would like to respond to each post individually but I can't figure out how this forum allows for that. It seems like I can only respond to all or I can email the post.
Anyways, I thought I would post a few photos of the area that I'm working with. I have a very large yard for Santa Clara and this is the only remaining area that has no purpose except for being an oversized doggy bathroom. It's about 45' long x 18' wide. I have planted some pink jasmine along the back fence and I have four arches that I want to grow roses over. The arches are about 8-9' high. I was gonna plant some type of climbing rose along the back fence but I decided to go with that pink jasmine. If i could intermix some climbing roses with the ping jasmine, that would be very cool but I need some suggestions. Something pink with nice foliage that doesn't need to be pruned to the ground every year would be ideal. I also want to plant a low climber for the black fence. It is about 3.5' high. The back fence is south facing. Down on the far end is an apple tree and its on the west side of the yard. This whole area receives a lot of sunlight during spring, summer and fall. In the winter, about half of the yard has direct sunlight all day long. Lastly, I'm looking for a shade tolerant climbing rose if it exists to grow over the metal fencing that surrounds my garbage cans. This area is in the shade is up against a north facing wall. Thanks in advance, VC
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RE: Looking for climbing rose that has nice foliage after bloom (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: wanttogarden on 02.04.2013 at 03:18 pm in Roses Forum

I live in Sunnyvale. The only true climber I have is Mel's Heritage, which is a rose SJHR has exclusive rights to. It has very small polyantha like peach pink fragrant flowers. The good news is if planted in full sun it blooms continuously. Mine only gets few hours of sun and its a once bloomer. Go to the rose garden in Spring and you see it in full glory.

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My other suggestion would be David Austin Roses. If the catalog says it can be a climber, it definitely will be a climber here. Look through catalog and post your possible choices, people from California can comment on health and flower production. I have only two that climbs. There are many more to fit your requirements.

Falstaff 8'
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Christopher Marlowe: Short climber 6-8'
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RE: "R" roses (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: harborrose on 02.01.2013 at 05:24 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

A friend of mine has that rose, Kate, and I agree, it is beautiful. Nice pictures.

Here's my only contribution, Rosa Mundi, the gallica, although you already saw it in the L's with Lynnie!

Rosa Mundi

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RE: Sweet Intoxicating Fragrance (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: fig_insanity on 02.03.2013 at 11:53 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Yeah, I know it's not roses, but I agree: nothing quite like the scent of hyacinths first thing in the Spring. I have started a bulb meadow with the old French Roman hyacinths and species narcissus. Here's a pic from last year, when the planting was two years old. The narcissus were just beginning to bloom, but I didn't get a later pic when they were really looking good. They should be even better this year.

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RE: CHEAP fertilizer (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: buford on 02.03.2013 at 08:25 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I only use alfalfa and compost and bags of composted manure on my roses. It's fairly cheap but it can be a lot of work (I make my own compost). You wont see a huge difference with alfalfa right away. I do it in the spring and maybe again in August, if I feel like it. But if you put enough organic material around the roses, they will respond. And don't forget watering.

I don't soak the alfalfa, I just put down the pellets and mix it in with the compost and manure and let it break down naturally.

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RE: So, what's your spring kick-in-the-pants formula (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: susan4952 on 02.03.2013 at 02:43 pm in Roses Forum

After pruning and cleaning up all the old mulch, I put a layer of well rotted manure as a top dressing to the drip line. This forms a weed barrier crust that I cover with regular wood mulch. It breaks down into the soil as the season progresses. I follow this wih an twice a season application of alfalfa tea ( Epsom, seaweed and fish emulsion, etc ) Bayer drench once a month. Miracle Grow, Jacks, Dr. Earth, Mills, etc. are the once a weekers. I know I probably over do it but I have great results. Feed them something once a week. Even if I use half strength. osmocote never worked for me.....

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RE: So, what's your spring kick-in-the-pants formula (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: seil on 02.03.2013 at 10:57 am in Roses Forum

In the early spring, usually the beginning of April right after I prune, I'll put down a cup of a good slow release fertilizer and a 1/2 cup of Epsom Salts (half those amounts for minis) around each plant and scratch it in and then water with some SuperThrive. After that it's usually liquid foliar fertilizers and fish emulsion about every two weeks through the rest of the season. I have occasionally added some more Epsom Salts in late July early August before but I don't always and don't know that it makes much difference.

I can't bring myself to do the alfalfa tea because of the smell, lol! The fish is bad enough.

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RE: Bloom type: Fully Double and Flat? So confused! (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 01.28.2013 at 01:28 pm in Roses Forum

Here is a picture of Sombreuil being "fully double and flat".

Jackie

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RE: Feeding bands and 1 gal in summer (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: Strawberryhill on 09.01.2012 at 08:26 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Hi Kitty: I bought 14 bands from Burlington this past March, and I put them into 2-gallons pots immediately (plastic pot for $5 each). I also got 18 roses gallon-size from RU, Chamblee's, and 1 Walmart and put them into pots immediately. Now most of them are in the ground, planted very deep for zone 5a winter.

For soil in the pots I followed both books, one by Field Roebuck of Texas, and the other by Ontario nurseryman Douglas Green. Here's my pots experiment with 32 roses:

1) The worst one is Ball Professional Pottting soil, NO slow-released fertilizer, mixed with 1 cup Hollytone (with bacteria like Rosetone, and sulfur). The growth is VERY SLOW.

2) MiracleGro potting soil (green bag, pH of 6.5) mixed with 2 cups peat moss, 2 cups native clay soil, 2 cups alfalfa meal. This was too wet for our rainy weather, and I had to drill extra-holes in the pot. The mix is too acidic, blackspot magnets Scentsational and Comte de Chambord broke out in BS, and I had to mulch them with horse manure, before they are clean.

3) See #4 below, except I ran out out potting soil, and topdressed mini Love Ya Dad with my native clay soil. It worked well: no blackspots, and it bloomed like crazy. The clay soil on top acted like a fertile crust to keep the below soil moist. This pot has the most bloom.

4) MiracleGro Organic potting soil (brown bag, pH of 7), mixed with 2 cups of native soil, 2 cups peat moss, and 2 cups of alfalfa meal. This gave the best result: Annie Laurie McDowell bought as a band is now 2' x 2.5' wide, too big, I'll have to put her in the ground. Jacques Cartier as a band became huge, and I had to put him in the ground after 1 month being bought. Also zero blackspot on roses with this neutral pH potting soil.

All my 32 pots were in full-sun, except for Paul Neyron in partial shade. I don't fertilize them except for topdressing with alfalfa meal mixed with fluffy potting soil before a heavy rain. I did it twice this summer. I was sick of pinching off Annie' buds constantly, so I gave her acid fertilizer high in nitrogen this month. She's the only one that gets it, since I want her to be very big before burying her bud union 4" below ground level.

See below picture of Crimson Glory as a band, with 1 month of growth, it's catching up with the gallon size rose behind it.

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Climbing Rose versus Rambler?

posted by: SusanBachman on 01.26.2013 at 10:53 am in Roses Forum

What is the difference between a 'climbing rose', a 'rambler' and an 'old garden rose'? Has anyone had experience with these?

I have an old little pink climber (miniature?) I think. I will post pictures in the summer when it is blooming. It was saved from a farm. It gets long stems that are weak. I am not sure if it really is a climber or what. How do you tell if it is a climber?

picture from Sunset Roses. This is what they say: "Rose bushes are natural choices for flower beds and shrub borders; some also make fine hedges or container plants. The largest are the old garden roses, grandifloras, and shrub roses. Hybrid teas and floribundas generally grow with more restraint. Miniature roses are the smallest; some reach only 1 foot tall. For a little formality, consider a standard rose, a bush rose grown on a tall bare stem; a patio rose is a small standard.

Climbing roses grow on vertical surfaces or free-standing supports. The most vigorous ones, the ramblers, will cover a house roof or grow to the top of a large tree. More moderate climbers clothe arbors and tall walls. Small climbers, sometimes called pillar roses, are suitable for a pyramid or trellis. In addition to the roses that are classified as climbers, there are old garden roses and shrub roses that climb, and climbing miniature roses.

Ground cover roses make a low, mounding carpet of color up to 8 feet wide. They are most often massed on a slope or an area of the garden where other knee-high shrubs might be used. They also make good container plants."

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RE: Ordered on Fortuniana (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: ken-n.ga.mts on 01.21.2013 at 05:16 pm in Roses Forum

Of the one's you have on order, These are the one's I've grown (on fortuniana). Felicia---Nice big bushy bush with lots of blooms. Francis Dubreuil---Not the nicest bush I've ever seen but "WOW" the blooms. Plant them fairly close together. The bush shoots straight up. It needs afternoon shade so the blooms won't burn. Blueberry Hill---Again I wasn't to wild about the bush habit (grows side ways) but the blooms were nice. Lady X---Nice bush but grew tall. Keep it cut to 4'. I think you'll like it. Lemon Spice---Give it afternoon shade and it will probably end up being your favorite. It can be a little stingy.

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: 1101 on 01.17.2013 at 06:26 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Here are Zephirine Drouhin and Cecile Brunner

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #25)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 01.17.2013 at 02:00 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Pam - what I like most (there are, of course, dozens of things!) about your garden is the growing-together, romantic nooks, new gorgeous scenes around each corner attributes - it is a wonderland.

Here is a funny pic of some of my roses growing together - the orange fading to peachy pink fading to white one in the foreground is an unknown rose that I think someone brought over to me as a dinner party hostess gift - I stuck it in the ground out by the street (you can clearly see the street curb in the bottom left of the picture), and forgot about it. It came to my attention years later, doing this. Actually, it is in full bloom right now - I just noticed it yesterday. The dark pink rose is the original Flower Carpet, which has also been left mostly on its own out by the street. The white rose way in the background is Gourmet Popcorn - it is on the other side of the sidewalk.

Jackie

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: mendocino_rose on 01.17.2013 at 10:07 am in Antique Roses Forum

This is one of my favorite Roses Growing Together shots. This is from the door of my studio last June. The roses are Blaze, The Beacon, Madame Alfred C., Fulgens, Sally Holmes, Jadis, and Complicata.

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #20)

posted by: mariannese on 01.17.2013 at 05:44 am in Antique Roses Forum

The double dark purple rose to the far left is L'Eveque, the single La Belle Sultane is almost everywhere. It's colour is a little too reddish in the photo because of the sunlight, it's really also a dark purple. I forgot to mention that there is a small, struggling and non-flowering Crown Princess Margareta at the front, the last survival of the apricots. I'll clean up this bed in spring. Margareta and Perennial Blue both deserve better.

I have other color themed beds but no good pictures.

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: mariannese on 01.16.2013 at 08:01 am in Antique Roses Forum

My purple corner is a total mess but I didn't plan it that way. Being unused to own root roses I didn't expect Centifolia a fleurs doubles violettes (may really be L'Eveque) and Violacea (aka La belle Sultane) to become rampant and spread all over the border. Rhapsody in Blue stays in place. On the far right one can see a few flowers of Perennial Blue (more red than blue) peeping out. It was planted because I believed the Secret Garden Musk Climber there had died so the tangle at the back is even worse than at the front. SGMC flowers outside the photo. The original apricot roses in this bed have died because of the competition, Buff Beauty and Abraham Darby. Only Floral Fairy Tale lives precariously to the right.

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: catspa on 01.15.2013 at 05:15 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Jackie, How beautiful! Here is my joyful tangle: one corner, 5 climbers, photo is from late April 2012. They are not TOTALLY intermingled yet, but no doubt will be, because I don't referee much -- dive underneath once in a while to cut out dead wood. The pink rose (sent as Old Blush bush form and is obviously not, being now 15' tall and an avid climber; maybe Cl. Old Blush? but the flowers are only about 1 1/2" across; blooms every month of the year anyway) is totally enmeshed in the whitest rose, which is Mme. Alfred Carriere. In front of them is Celine Forestier and, just visible in the upper left are the leaves of Reve d'Or, the newest member of the group, which has been stealthily implicating her canes into the crowd. On the right is Francesca. She and Celine are lately embracing each other across the path.

I, too, very much enjoy this sort of arrangement, which here is all under a huge old pepper tree on the outskirts of the garden (Mme. Alfred is now at least 20' up into the pepper tree)

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RE: Roses Growing Together.. (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jacqueline3 on 01.15.2013 at 02:12 pm in Antique Roses Forum

OOps - here is the picture that was supposed to be with the above.

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RE: Roses "J" (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: the_dark_lady on 01.11.2013 at 10:57 am in Rose Gallery Forum

Dear Sidos-House,
Thank you very much for your kind comments! My yard is also very big and I had and still have difficult time creating interesting landscape.
Do you have any mature vegetation in your garden? What kind? Trees, conifers, grasses, any stonework? This usually helps a lot tying elements together.
Mine was absolutely bare, just grass and weeds. Seven acres of them!:)
I don't have many pictures with garden views. Here is what I found in my albums. I am planning to take more garden shots this year.

I understand, this is not much. Hope to do more landscape shots this year.
Marina

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RE: More questions for the experienced rose gardeners.... (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: roseseek on 01.04.2013 at 08:59 pm in Roses Forum

1. Do you still dormant spray your potted roses that never get disease? I use only horticultural oil not lime sulphur, so is it necessary?
Dormant spray is to (hopefully) prevent or control disease. If these don't get sprayed and are generally healthy enough without the spray, why spray them? If it makes you feel better to spray them, go for it, otherwise, you should be able to skip it.

2. If there is a light layer of pine mulch bark left over from last year in potted roses and the soil is low, what do you think if I simply cover the old mulch with a layer of soil + compost then cover that with another layer of fresh bark?

I'd dump the old mulch in a flower bed to continue composting and becoming part of the soil. I like to add soil underneath the potted plants to raise the crown where it was originally, then add to the sides and any necessary on top, then replace the mulch. My goal is to have the plant positioned in the pot as it was originally.

3. When planting roses near trees or other shrubs how do you keep the tree or shrub roots from taking over the new soil meant for the roses and stunt the roses?

That depends upon what kind of tree you're referring to. For massive root systems such as White Birch (gawd-awful weeds to plant around!), there is little you CAN do as those roots can find their way through block walls. For those with less massive root sytems, I haven't found it to be that much of an issue as long as the rose in question is a rampant grower.

4. How much does composted horse manure smell and for how long? Does it attract flies?

Composted horse manure has little smell other than "earthy" to me. Fresh horse manure smells like a sweaty horse for about three days, then most of the scent dissipates. I have NEVER had horse manure of any kind attract flies, and I've used a couple of tons of the stuff over the past thirty years.

5. Besides looking for rain tolerant roses is there any way to tell if a rose's blooms will survive lawn sprinklers, still open, not ball and turn mushy? Anyone have particular cultivars they recommend if roses will get sprayed lawn sprinklers?

Your greatest probability of success with this is to select roses with "heavy petal substance". Those with very stiff, waxy petals. The "substance" is a waxy cuticle, skin, over the petals which is what makes the specific varieties which possess it excellent for exhibition and florist work. It's also one characteristic which prevents scent in blooms. The heavier, stiffer and waxier (more "substance") the petal, the longer it lasts in a vase, the less scent it has, the more abuse/handling/refrigeration it can withstand with less damage, and the lower the potential for water to spoil it. Not that water WON'T spoil it, just not as easily.

6. Last summer when I deadheaded the roses I just pinched and twisted the blooms off instead of cutting the cane down to an outward facing 5 leaflet side bud. The roses grew new foliage on canes too thin to be productive. Is this something only done with Tea roses or other antiques roses?

There seems to me to be something else at work here than just snapping off the spent flowers. I have traditionally snapped off the spent flowers in my garden at the point of abscission for many years with no real ill effects. Anything which is too thin to support the expected flowers gets taken care of at the usual pruning time. What kinds of roses have you experienced this issue with? Were they situated where they received sufficient sun?

7. I've discovered that some of the pots (24" wide x 18" high) I'm using only have a capacity of 17 gallons. Is this enough for a rose that grows 4-5 feet tall?

Perhaps...but only with excellent drainage and religious watering, and insulation from extreme sun/heat exposure directly to the pot walls. If those pots are protected from extreme sun directly on them, and/or if you're in a milder, more coastal environment rather than an inland valley heat type, your chances are better. If not, no, extreme heat/sun will probably yield problems due to cooked roots and quickly dried out root balls. With roses, usually, if you have five feet of top growth, you have about that much root under it. For that much root to be squeezed into that size soil mass, there is probably not a lot of water holding capacity left. I'd also expect the pot sides to be lined with a fairly thick mass of root tissue, right where extremes in temperatures can more quickly and easily affect them adversely. Something the size you suggest is probably going to perform a lot better in the ground, presuming decent drainage and other acceptable cultural practices. Kim

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RE: Oh the bunnies!! (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: wirosarian on 01.05.2013 at 03:36 pm in Roses Forum

Forgot to add, I agree with professorroush that your roses will come back as you have the graft buried. In my z4 area, tender roses like HT's often only have 4-6" or less live cane in the Spring but come back just fine if they were healthy going into the Winter. A tip I use in bringing thse roses back is to give them some extra high nitrogen fertilizer for their 1st feeding. I used 1/4C per bush of lawn fertilizer (make sure its NOT weed-n-feed), 28-0-4 was the stuff I used last Spring plus some organic stuff. This will bring the plant back & then go back to your normal rose fertilizer for the rest of the season.

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RE: Clemantis. Any recommendations? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: plantloverkat on 04.16.2012 at 11:06 am in Antique Roses Forum

When I lived in the Dallas area, I had success growing the texensis Hybrid Duchess of Albany. I purchased it as a very small liner sized plant, and it took several years to get going. I grew it in all day sun, as that was the exposure most of my yard had.

After I moved further south and did some research, I learned that the viticella hybrids are known for being quite heat tolerant. I bought a used copy of John Howells' book "Trouble-Free Clematis: the Viticellas", and was inspired to try many in this class. These are all hard pruned in early spring, so it isn't hard to remember which pruning group they are. Most are taller growers, and they can be cut back after the first flush of blossoms to regrow and bloom again. They have smaller flowers than the large flowered group, but they are produced in large quantities.

Emilia Plater is by far the most vigorous for me - it has pale violet blue flowers.

Betty Corning also has pale blue flowers, but fragrant and bell shaped instead.

Galore is a dusky/slatey purple color, and has been very quick to establish for me.

Etoile Violette is similar to Galore, but with slightly smaller flowers which have more red in the purple.

Justa is a smaller growing medium purplish blue, but so far hasn't bloomed as much for me as the others (this is only its second year).

Little Bas has dusky/slatey purple smaller flowers which are a wider flaring bell shape in profusion

Huldine is a taller growing white - mine was new last year

Maria Cornelia is also a white but with smaller flowers shaped something like a dogwood blossom - also new last year, it has been quicker to establish than Huldine for me and is flowering now

Walenburg - most photos show it as being red with a purplish back, but for me it only has some cerise in the cooler weather (now) and becomes more purple in hotter weather (mid summer). Its flowers hang downward a bit (think nodding tea rose) and it is flowering prolifically right now on the north side of my house.

The herbaceous group (also hard pruned in spring) has also done well for me. They usually don't hold on to support by themselves, but rather lean on their neighbors or sprawl somewhat. If you want them to have more support, you can use a wire cage or a grow through plant support hoop.

Petit Faucon - shorter growing to about 3 - 4 feet with really lovely darker purpley blue flowers. This needs support of some kind (I use a short obelisk) and will repeat flower all summer even if you never remove the decorative seed heads or give it a second cut back in summer. Mine grows next to Tradescant.

Inspiration - a medium pink that tends toward lavender pink in early spring, and more basic medium pink later. It is a leaner or sprawler, and will grow to about 6 feet tall. It is quite a prolific bloomer, and will continue to flower whether cut back after the first flowering or not. Mine grows with a young Blossomtime rose, and I grow the coleus India Frills at its feet.

Pink Delight - my oldest one in this group. This grows to about 6 foot tall and is supported by an obelisk. It has a wider somewhat bell shaped flower in a medium pink color.


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RE: Clemantis. Any recommendations? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: harryshoe on 04.16.2012 at 02:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Betty Corning and Venosa Violacea grow great here. These are Viticelli types which generally means smaller flowers. However, they are extremely vigorous, bloom over a long season and have resistance to wilt.

This is Betty completely covering my 8' arbor.

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CLEMATIS..great rose companions!

posted by: celestialrose on 09.30.2006 at 12:28 am in Rose Gallery Forum

Hello everyone!

There was a recent thread about good companions for roses, and I wanted to share photos of some of my clematis. Some grow up or around my old garden roses, and others just grow up pillars or tripods in the garden and some scramble up fences..at any rate, they add color & dimension to my rose garden and yard. I have more pics of more clematis, so since this is LONG I will do this in two posts...thanks for looking!
Celeste

COMTESSE DE BOUCHAUD
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JACKMANII
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BETTY CORNING W/ CELESTIAL
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GENERAL SIKORSKI
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ARCTIC QUEEN
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PERLE D'AZUR

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POLISH SPIRIT
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VILLE DE LYON
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VENOSA VIOLACEA, CLOSE-UP
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RE: Can I ask about Clematis? (Follow-Up #36)

posted by: harryshoe on 06.01.2012 at 10:14 am in Roses Forum

Although I'm in a very different zone, I want to second Hoov's recommendation that you try Viticella types. Here, they are much more vigorous, less likely to wilt and flower over a longer period.

Betty Corning with Westerland Rose

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RE: Rose/Clematis combination (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: judith5bmontreal on 07.06.2008 at 09:45 pm in Roses Forum

Hi again! Went out tonight and took a few more photos of clematis with roses. Unfortunately, a couple of my old roses (albas) are finished blooming, so I can't show you those. However, here are some more:

Westerland & Semu
Westerland & Semu

Jacques Cartier & Jackmani
Jacques Cartier & Jackmani

Perle d'azur & Snow Pavement (buds) Sorry, very chlorotic!
Perle D'azur & Snow Pavement

Limelight & Harlow Carr
Limelight & Harlow Carr

I really have tried to order pink clematis (instead of just blue all the time), but I have received three mislabeled plants (Jackmani's) that were supposed to be Nelly Moser and Hagley Hybrid

Judith


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RE: Rose/Clematis combination (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: harryshoe on 07.08.2008 at 07:36 am in Roses Forum

Mixed bed outside my bedroom features Venosa Violacea and Gypsy Queen flanking the window:
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Westerland with Betty Corning
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Arbor with Westerland and Betty Corning
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RE: Moonflower Giant White (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: littleonefb on 05.19.2010 at 11:49 am in Vines Forum

Give them a try. You really have nothing to lose but a few seeds and the time starting the seeds.

I'm in zone 5 about 20 minutes from the NH border and mine bloom in August and keep going right through till the frost gets them.

I've never been able to keep MG or moonflower vines over winter in my house. The dry heat is just too much for them and don't have space for light setup indoors.

I soak the seeds over night for about 12 hours before sowing them. I don't do anything else to the seeds.

I put the seeds in one of the little ziplock baggies, fill with fairly warm water, zip them closed and leave them for about 4 hours. Then drain out all the water and add more fairly warm water again and leave them till the next day when I'm ready to sow the seeds.

They don't germinate until the weather gets warm and we've had some really crazy cool temps so I would think with the warm weather predicted after today, you will get germination within a week or 2 and then they will grow quickly.

I grow my moonflower vines, the same packet as yours in 10 inch pots with miracle grow potting mix for the soil and put a bit of bark mulch on the top to hold out weeds and keep moisture in the pot and place them in full sun beside my back step railings and twine the vines up the railing.

Even last year, with the cold, raw summer that we had from June through July with mostly rain, my moonflower vines bloomed from mid August till Oct.

The only thing I don't get is seeds from them for next year.

You should fill a 10 inch pot with miracle grow potting mix and soak the soil well and sow one seed in the pot. Cover the soil with either some plastic wrap or a plastic and put it in the sun.
This way, you will be ahead of the game in potting the vine when it germinates.
You could put 2-3 seeds in one pot and then move the vines to a pot of their own once they germinate, also.

But, I'd go for it, As I said, you have nothing to lose by trying them and at best you get flowers, at worst you have a pretty vine.

Fran


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RE: anyone help with color wheel (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: kittymoonbeam on 12.07.2012 at 09:36 am in Roses Forum

I agree that the blue sky and the green leaves are dominant, but I have seen some very clever gardens where the colors were chosen in a calculated way. I would divide my roses into saturated colors and less saturated colors. The saturated colors I have are placed carefully these days in the areas that I want to be focal points. The rest is a blend of pastel and less saturated hues.

In a very limited fashion do I use complimentary schemes unless it is red/green seasonally. I prefer to focus on the light dark contrasts like a black and white drawing or picture has. One complaint of HTs is the look of the canes in the lower sections of the plant. Planting against a wall of foliage the same green cancels that out visually for me. I add a lighter green at the base for contrast and they are almost gone.

Susan is smart to consider the color of her wall. Something that large is going to be a dominant feature. That much color is going to reflect back into the garden. I am trying to get enough bricks together to cover a large wall because the light color is so dominant in all my pictures. I think the space will look larger when that warm color is not coming forward visually. A nice cool dark red will recede in the shade of the eaves. I went and looked at houses that had brick, cool color like medium blues, or large dark green foliage on south facing walls and it makes a difference. What I'm after is perfecting the view from the seating area as I look toward the house. The view out the window is great but it's the view the other direction that needs work.

I love the days when we get a truly blue sky as most of the time, my area gets a very pale blue and like I said, my white roses just vanish against it. Sunset is the most dramatic time that the sky influences the color in my garden. Yellow, pink and peach roses glow and red roses have a beautiful luster. Whites get a pearly shine and as the greens become subdued, they stand out in contrast.

The big feature I would love to have as a background would be a pond. I love roses and water together. On blue sky days, there is nothing better.


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RE: anyone help with color wheel (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: donaldvancouver on 12.05.2012 at 08:29 pm in Roses Forum

There's a resource on the Web called Kuler. It's mainly intended for designers, I believe, but it really helps to show you how colours look when combined in different ways. It's a bit overwhelming but very inspiring.

There's also a terrific iPhone app called Color Expert that lets you manipulate a colour wheel. You can photograph something- a wall you like, say, or a flower or a paint chip- and it will suggest complimentary colours and allow you to combine and manipulate them.

don

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RE: anyone help with color wheel (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: kittymoonbeam on 12.05.2012 at 03:56 pm in Roses Forum

Here's what I know-

The color wheel is a guide to mixing pigments. Pigments are derived from minerals and plant compounds. If you mix lots together you get brownish greyish color. If you mix them all together you get black in theory but I find mostly you get dark browns unless you use mostly blues and violets or deep reds.

To see the pure colors of nature, a prism is usually used to take "white" light and get the distinct colors of the rainbow from it. The colors you see are what you start with. So if you have a blue color similar to a prism blue, then you can begin to modify it by adding other pigments.

A color wheel organizes the colors so that relationships are easily seen. The 3 main colors are blue red and yellow (primary)and from them can be made other (secondary) colors by mixing them together. Orange lies between red and yellow because if you mix red and yellow pigments, you can create a variety of orange colors. The same is true for greens and purples/violets. You cannot create primary colors by using secondary colors unless by magic you were able to extract one of the primary colors out of a secondary color .

The colors next to the secondary colors are tertiary colors which are like secondaries but with more influence of a particular primary ( a red orange or a blue green for example.

As far as gardening goes, you can use color relationships to create themes and moods. The color wheel is sometimes thought of as warm and cool with the warmer reds, yellows, oranges and warm greens being the warm part and everything else belonging to the cool part.
Also colors being near to each other on the wheel are said to be more harmonious than those opposing each other. Colors across from each other are said to be complimentary and highly visually stimulating. Red/green was always my favorite but my sister loves a good yellow/violet in the garden.

Any color scheme can be made more harmonious by adding white into all the colors present ( a pastel garden of many kinds of colors) or by adding black into all the colors present. Deep dark foliage and blooms of every color.

Lighter brighter and warmer colors appear to come forward and cooler,darker more muted colors appear to recede. A bright yellow rose jumps out against cool dark green foliage or a dark stone wall. A cool red or pink rose blends in with a deep green hedge or dark wood fence. It stands out against a warm background of yellow dasies or light warm green foliage. Any bright or dark color jumps out against a white stucco wall or picket fence.

If you want a color in the garden to jump out then surround it with something different. It could be lighter or darker or a color directly across on the color wheel. If you want colors to blend quietly, use colors with similar amounts of white in them or all deep colors or else colors that are neighbors on the color wheel like red, burgundy,pinks with purple in them purple and even blue purple. An all blue garden with green leaves is quiet and restful because blue and green are close to each other as green is directly related to blue.

Often I see that a garden will have a blend of colors where the colors are all related in some way to achieve harmony and then there will be an added zing of some color or group of related colors to add spice or be a focal point.

I saw a very nice garden with all yellow and white flowers with some pale orange and pale pink flowers to make it interesting. The contrast was some red and hot pink flowers placed here and there.

A holiday favorite is either a majority of red and green with a bit of white for emphasis or else a majority of green and white with the red used for contrast.

My own garden has areas of green and white only to which I add one or two colors if I want to make focal points, and an area of pastel blends of many colors. I like to group roses that are warm together and group the cool ones together with pink and white roses forming the transitions between the groups. I like it better in my photos than when I used to plant them randomly although that had a fun confetti feeling to it.

Contrast matters. I have a wonderful white climber going up a wire but because the sky is always very light blue most days I only see green leaves and the white blooms are lost looking across the yard or as I look up into the sky at it. The purple clematis growing in that climber always jumps out visually and the poor roses are practically invisible.


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RE: Greenhouse (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: mad_gallica on 11.08.2012 at 12:33 pm in Antique Roses Forum

My experiences with those I've grown.

mallow - self seeds around. Make sure you want it before putting it in a garden.

dill - same as mallow, but does have the advantage of being edible.

lady's mantle - grows slowly from seeds. Seeds around a bit.


lychnis - some varieties are weedy. Others are reasonbly well behaved. Easy to grow from seeds without any special care.

agastache - some varieties are very rot prone, and difficult in places it rains. Generally easy from seed.

nepetas - not a plant I would grow from seed unless I wasn't at all picky about what shows up. The selected clones are distinct enough that it is a good idea to buy exactly what you want, then divide for more plants.


balloon flower - currently very difficult to find seeds of the older, taller types. However, if you can find seed pods of what you want, they do grow reasonable true from seed. Easy, and will seed around if not deadheaded.

bergenia - tried this once and didn't get anywhere. Don't really know why, but it may very well be a bit tricky.


mugwort - weed, weed weed. Be very, very careful in introducing this one to a garden.


cleome - easy, will seed around.


petunia - will seed around once it is in the garden, but not the easiest plant to grow from seed.


lamb's ear - 'good' ones are vegetatively propagated.

Columbine is another good, easy to grow from seed, plant.

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If you were moving and could only take 5 with you...

posted by: moongardengirl on 01.05.2010 at 12:08 pm in Clematis Forum

Which ones would you take?

My Pick
1)Venosa Violcea
2)Betty Corning
3)Huldine
4)Polish Spirit
5)SAC

Also I LOVE "Apple Blossom" but live in zone 4, what would you recommend that looks close to that but will live here?

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RE: Clemantis. Any recommendations? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: alameda on 04.16.2012 at 09:53 am in Antique Roses Forum

At the recent Tyler Azalea Trail, I fell in love with Candida and plan to order it. I presently grow and love Mrs. Chomondeley [pronounced chumley], Fireworks, Niobe [heavy bloomer], Violet Charm and several I have lost the tags on. Here is a photo of Candida.

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Roses and Clematis combinations

posted by: dublinbay on 06.15.2011 at 01:25 am in Rose Gallery Forum

I didn't realize how many rose-clematis combinations I had until I looked at the pics my daughter took of my gardens on Memorial Day. Here's a selection from her pics.


Well-Being (Harkness shrub) and clematis Durandii (scrambler).
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Here's a close-up of Well-Being. I love how the color of the buds contrasts with the actual flower. It blooms in clusters.
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This pic shows the red-and-white portion of my garden, starring Dublin Bay Climber and clematis Alba Luxurians. That's Eutin (floribunda) in the bottom right-hand corner.
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Here are some old favorites: Buff Beauty (hybrid musk) backed by clematis Jackmani (they are out back by the alley--about 5 Jackmani out there).
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Clematis Venosa Violacea is also on the back alley fence, mixed in with the Jackmani. I really like Venosa Violacea.
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I had trouble placing clematis Prince Charles--had to move him three times before he found a home he liked with the climber Golden Showers.
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In the background behind Prince Charles and Golden Showers is one of my favorites--oh, oh, it's clematis Princess Diana. (I'll leave the jokes to you!)
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Too bad the hybrid musk Jeri Jennings wasn't blooming more fulsomely while my daughter was visiting, but you can see how charmingly the clematis Rooguchi (scrambler) grows up through Jeri's sprays.
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This is supposed to be the combo of climber Sombreuil and clematis Rhapsody (I think), but Sombreuil is still young and wasn't blooming yet. She's white--should be quite dramatic next to Rhapsody's rich purple, don't you think?
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Just to make sure I didn't get too carried away with the clematis pics, let me add one more rose--my newest one: the polyantha Mother's Day. This is her very first bloom--she is so small and cute.
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Hope you enjoyed my rose-clematis combos. I have a few others, but they were not in bloom. I'll post them later.

Kate

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RE: If you were moving and could only take 5 with you... (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: twrosz on 03.03.2010 at 08:42 pm in Clematis Forum

Because the following are not always easy to come by, these are the ones I'd be taking with me ...

Perle d' Azur

Florida Sieboldii 'Vienetta'

Kiri Te Kanawa

Jackmanii Superba ... often mislabeled!

Victoria

Princess Diana ... that makes six, but could not leave this beauty behind!

... oh, and then there's my seedling!

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RE: If you were moving and could only take 5 with you... (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: gardengal48 on 03.03.2010 at 10:44 am in Clematis Forum

zyperiris, I am on my third 'Apple Blossom' :-) Not because they haven't done well - only because I can't imagine my garden without one! The first had to to be removed when I relandscaped my front yard and transplanting was not an option (much too large to move). I immediately replanted another in a different location. And now that I have moved to a new garden, 'Apple Blossom' was the first clem I purchased for my new location.

This can get to be a big vine - 25-30' is not out of line. And it is evergreen, so can get heavy and will need a sturdy support system. It blooms very early - mine is just starting to open now. Buds are a deep pink and open to blush pink flowers -- LOTS of them! And it is moderately fragrant as well. It is not prone to wilt and is more shade tolerant than many choices. And since it is a type I, no pruning is necessary. Should you need to control size, you should prune immediately after flowering.

This is what it looks like in full bloom:

There is also a white flowered armandii, commonly sold as 'Snowdrift'. It tends to be a bit more widely available than 'Apple Blossom'.


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RE: If you were moving and could only take 5 with you... (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: organicmickie on 01.07.2010 at 10:53 am in Clematis Forum

MARMORI - I never hear anyone talking about her - but SHE NEVER gives up! She is one of those 'sterile' Estonian cv's. Love her!

MULTI-BLUE- Blooms forever; beautiful form

JOSEPHINE - Blooms forever, bee-utiful bloom!

TANGUTICA - Unusual, bright and cheerful

MARGOT KOSTER - blooms forever

(and when you weren't looking I would sneak some more; Arabella, Roguuci and Alionushka amoung them...)


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RE: If you were moving and could only take 5 with you... (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: nckvilledudes on 01.05.2010 at 04:40 pm in Clematis Forum

I would chose any of the following US native clematis since these clematis are so underutilized and the fact that I love the bell shaped flowers of viorna, glaucophylla, addisonii, pitcheri, texensis, crispa, and socialis. Okay that is 7 but I couldn't exclude any of them since they are natives! LOL

Of the non-US natives, I would choose Betty Corning due to her fragrant blooms and vigorous growth, Tie Dye for its unusual psychedelic coloration, fusca violacea for its chubby dark purplish brown bell shaped flowers, Duchess of Albany for its vigorousness and pink colored flowers, and Alba luxurians for its white flowers tipped with green in early spring.


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RE: If you were moving and could only take 5 with you... (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: gardengal48 on 01.05.2010 at 02:12 pm in Clematis Forum

Boy, questions like this are SO tough to answer :-))

First, I wouldn't take any with me unless they are already growing in a container - an established clematis is not an easy plant to transplant successfully and they are not at all hard to replace for minimal expense. Second, my choices would be different based on my climate and my preferences.

Here's my 5 absolute 'must-haves' for my garden:
C. armandii, preferrably 'Apple Blossom'
C. montana, any but 'Tetrarose' is very high on my list.
C. cirrhosa var. balearica
C. viticella 'Etoile Violette'
'Harlow Carr'

I don't have any suggestions for a replacement for you for 'Apple Blossom'.....the closest I could come would be one of the montanas but they're not going to work well in zone 4 either. You might want to look at C. viticella 'Tango' or triternata 'Rubromarginata' (which is definitely #6 on my list!). Small, pinkish flowers and a heavy bloom but a different bloom season and no fragrance to speak of.


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RE: Clemantis. Any recommendations? (Follow-Up #20)

posted by: cziga on 04.22.2012 at 07:49 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I tried Belle of Woking last year but our dog sat on it and it never quite recovered. I'd love to try it again, the colour looks beautiful. It is good to know that it might take time to establish itself ...

I have "Clair de Lune" which is light lavender/white and quite beautiful. Pale during the day, almost glows in the evening.
Clematis - Claire de Lune (day)

Clematis - Claire de Lune (night)

I also have Minuet, small flowers with more purple on them. Very vigorous for me.
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RE: Clemantis. Any recommendations? (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: altorama on 04.21.2012 at 04:28 am in Antique Roses Forum

This is maybe more purple than what you want, but it is a species hybrid, very easy to grow. It's called Roguchi.
Blooms pretty much all summer. Might even start in late spring. Pretty seed heads in the fall. You don't need to prune it, unless you want to.

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RE: Climbing roses with Clematis (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: hoovb on 04.01.2010 at 12:29 pm in Roses Forum

Clematis can develop BIG root systems so don't plant them too close to the base of the rose, lest they overwhelm the rose's less substantial root system. They need plenty of water and don't ever let the root system dry out completely. Repeat: never never let the root system dry out completely. These are not drought tolerant plants!

Clematis are grouped by how they are pruned. Type I is not-pruned-much, Type II is headed back/tip pruned, Type III is cut almost to the ground every year.

The Viticella types (pruning type III) are the best for warmer climates. They work particularly well with roses because you cut them nearly to the ground in late winter, and you can easily pull them out of the rose.

In spring they begin a huge growth spurt, 2 meters or more in just a few weeks, so at that time, lots of fast-acting nitrogen fertilizer. As soon as flower buds appear, no fertilizer at all until after they finish their flush of bloom. Then trim the tips back lightly and deadhead, and another round of fertilizer. The light trimming and fertilizer stimilates another round of bloom. You can repeat this several times depending on the length of your growing season, the maturity of the clematis, the weather, etc.

Here the very easiest one to try first is Jackmanii, which is widely available and very common, but still beautiful. It is a deep purple which looks great with 'Laguna'.

Others that have done well here are 'Perle d'Azur', 'Polish Spirit', 'Etoile Violette', 'Venosa Violacaea'. 'Perle d'Azur' is spectacular with 'Laguna'. 'Venosa Violacaea' is particularly beautiful.

Check out the Clematis forum, excellent info there.

Here is a link that might be useful: A blog entry on how fast Clems grow in spring


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My Swedish garden in July

posted by: mariannese on 11.10.2012 at 06:13 am in Antique Roses Forum

On looking through this year's garden pictures I realize that there are very few that are not close-ups of individual plants. I kept this photo my 13-year-old granddaughter tried to take of her little sister because it shows a part of the south side of my garden.

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RE: tips/tricks to combining roses with roses? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: harmonyp on 11.12.2012 at 11:56 am in Antique Roses Forum

I think the best tip is to try to find out for your zone, what size each rose will mature to. Perhaps easier said than done, but at least get some idea. My top reason for moving roses has been size mismatch for the area or surrounding plants.

Color combos are so personal. If you have enough room, it's fun to play with different combos you think will work. Personally I love Red/Orange/Yellow combos (which is why I'm starting to love mixing them up with Canna Lillies). For me, Lavendar goes with just about anything - with peach/apricot, yellows, pinks. Pinks look good with one another. Blends are fun to bring two different colors together. But in the end, now, when I have a new rose, I just feel lucky to find a spot to put it in, and a spot is a spot is a spot. Planning out the window.

Singles, doubles, high pedal counts - to me they all look wonderful in any combo. I think it'd be hard for me to be displeased with any combo though so perhaps I'm not a good judge...


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RE: tips/tricks to combining roses with roses? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: bart_2010 on 11.12.2012 at 04:43 am in Antique Roses Forum

Ingrid and Melissa have given excellent advice, I think. I myself am still in the "trial and ERROR" phase,but I've discovered a couple things that I'll pass on ,though they are probably just re-iterating what these two ladies have said already.
I agree that it's best to avoid two "reds" together. I put the word red in quotes, because this colour is difficult to define (and photograph, for that matter). Some people define certain deep pinks as red,for example (I believe that on HMF, John Cabot is defined as "red",yet for me,it's a luscious deep purply-pink. Or, for example, on the Vintage site,Alexander Girault is defined as "true red",, yet for me, there again, it's a unique and very beautiful deep pink). I made the mistake years ago of putting Super Excelsa near Barni's Pretty Pink (this latter is,to my eye, more a carmine pinky red than an actual "pink" in colour)...AWFUL!!!
Another hideous mistake I made was: I thought to make a warm orangey-yellow zone, and I put Westerland in amongst some Teas.Dreadful! In this case, it wasn't really just the loud, modern colour of Westerland that was out of place, it was the style of the plant; amonst the graceful and delicate bearing of the Teas, it looked like the proverbial elephant in a china shop.I've moved Westerland up on a hill, in a corner,surrounding it with Clair Matin (my sister's idea) and Climbing Mrs Sam Mcgredy,hoping that these two will soften it's effect. I am beginning to think that I am not too fond of bright oranges; I've always known that I don't care at all for "cardinal", "fire-engine"-type reds.It can be very difficult to forsee the actual effect that two colours will have together in real life,so don't worry about it too much. Roses are easy to move, really, as long as you do it when the plant is dormant, so do your best at guessing what you'll like, and if something doesn't work for you, move the offender out next autumn! regards, bart

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RE: tips/tricks to combining roses with roses? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: melissa_thefarm on 11.12.2012 at 02:28 am in Antique Roses Forum

I tend to group the once-blooming roses of European origin together, and the warm-climate roses together. In the case of hybridized classes--Hybrid Perpetuals in particular--it depends on which side of their ancestry they lean towards. Portlands look very much like the Europeans, with their rough matte foliage, as do such HPs as 'Reine des Violettes' and 'Marchesa Boccella', and so they go with the Gallicas, Albas, Damasks, and so on. An upright smooth-foliaged HP like 'Baron Girod de l'Ain', on the other hand, that bears a distinct resemblance to a Hybrid Tea, I could place with either group. Hybrid Musks and English roses, with their smooth stems and leaves, look best with Teas, Chinas, and most ramblers and climbers. So I like best to keep foliage types together, but mix different habits (upright, arching, thicket-forming) and colors. Whether a rose is once-blooming or repeat blooming doesn't matter that much to me. Oh, yes: I think your Polyanthas would go well with Teas--I place mine together.
Like Ingrid, I like to mix different bloom types, singles, doubles, and semidoubles. I like to mix colors, though I tend to dislike hard contrasts, and of course not all colors go with all other colors.
People have different tastes in color, so I can't say anything about putting red roses next to white ones or combining yellow and pink, but there are a couple of things I have found out. One is that combining roses of the "same" color is risky: there are many different reds, for example, and two red roses side by side have an excellent chance of clashing horribly. And too many roses of rich hues together give an unpleasantly heavy effect. I found this out when I planted a line of Gallicas, with leaden results.
This is elementary, but I could see myself making this mistake: keep your smaller roses in front of your taller ones, and place small roses where they won't be overwhelmed, visually or physically, by the behemoths.
I adore the once-blooming roses and have a lot of them. I can't think of many of them, if any, that could be comfortably grown in pots. For seasonal interest I rely partly on companion planting, such as bulbs in spring, perennials for texture and variety of flower. I always found that I loved the whole cycle of growth of the once-blooming roses: the new growth in spring, the development of the buds, which are often fragrant in their own right, the ripening of hips and a certain modest fall color afterward, the naked canes in winter. These are plants to be appreciated as shrubs, and not only for their flowers.

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RE: tips/tricks to combining roses with roses? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: ingrid_vc on 11.11.2012 at 09:01 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Susan, I think everyone probably has their own way of arranging their roses based on their tastes and what kind of look they're trying to achieve, and it may also vary in different parts of the garden. I can only tell you what I did and what pleases me.

After several false starts I found out that strong colors didn't appeal to me and looked too artificial against the hilly and rocky background. I took out yellows and strong apricots, although I still have Cl. Lady Hillingdon growing against the house wall and the soft apricot Miss Atwood in my row of tea roses that flank a walkway. Generally speaking I mix singles, doubles and semidoubles. My very large Mutabilis is against the house wall with shorter roses like Souvenir de la Malmaison, Potter and Moore, Sister Elizabeth, Mme. Dore, Mr. Bluebird, Blue Mist and Burgundy Iceberg in front. These are interspersed with sea lavender, cerise pelargoniums, day lilies and reblooming irises in various colors. Keeping the colors soft and harmonious allows me to have variety in the shapes of the flowers and different heights of the roses, and everything blends quite nicely.

In the back of the house I have an area where the roses are various shades of lighter and darker pinks and lavenders such as Bishop's Castle, The Dark Lady, Pretty Jessica, Baptiste Lafay, Leveson Gower, Mme. Dore and Mr. Bluebird. Other plantings include two lavender crape myrtles in the back, four junipers flanking them to give some substance when the crape myrtles lose their leaves, reblooming irises and sea lavender.

What's important is to be clear in your mind what kind of feeling you want your garden to have and then to plant according to that theme. It takes trial and error (much error in my case), but it's also fun and challenging.

Ingrid


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RE: Seil...... Wintering Pots (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: JessicaBe on 09.18.2012 at 01:17 pm in Antique Roses Forum

No we don't have a garage or a shed. But we do have a little greenhouse (I don't know how long its gonna stay up, but it doesn't look that good anymore hehe) would it be to cold for the roses to stay in there? What I have in pots right now is Baronne Henriette Snoy (tea) and Archiduchesse Elizabeth d'Autriche (Hybrid Perpetual)


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pics of my fence gardens

posted by: auntyara on 09.21.2012 at 04:17 pm in Cottage Garden Forum

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my bush petunias are taking over.
I'm so tempted to pull them out cause I want to plant mums, but they look so pretty. Yet wild.
:) Laura

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RE: Landscaping overhaul...Advice needed! (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: tsugajunkie on 10.26.2012 at 06:09 pm in Cottage Garden Forum

Nice house.

To make the bed that would include the tree on the right and protect it's roots, I'd do the following:

1. Cut the grass as short as you can.
2. Mark the bed out with a hose or rope until the shape fits your design ideas.
3. Cover the bed with cardboard or at least 10 sheets of newspaper (wet it down, if need be to prevent blowing).
4. Cover the newspaper with whatever organic material you can get your hands on. I used mostly leaves with a dusting of compost to hold them down, mulch works as well.
5. Leave it sit over winter and next spring you can plant right through it. The grass will be dead.

Unfortunately, the best time to start this is yesterday (leaves are available now).

I agree with ggg about a narrow conifer on the right. The Alaskan Cedar 'Green Arrow' comes to mind.

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BTW- all these beds were done with the above mentioned procedure.

tj


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RE: What's the most foolproof antique rose in your area? (Follow-Up #42)

posted by: cath41 on 11.14.2012 at 11:58 am in Antique Roses Forum

Kim,

Here we have outrageous black spot, rare mildew and no rust. My personal experience on clay subsoil: The best roses have been Mme. Plantier, White Rose of York and Stanwell Perpetual with no black spot and good bloom. Souvenir de la Malmaison, Zephrine Drouhin and Gruss an Aachen have minimal black spot and not much bloom. In their defense, they are in shady locations. Cecile Brunner and Blush Noisette have bloomed well in full sun. It has been a long time since I have seen them but I do not remember them having black spot so if they did, it wasn't much.

If I were you and wanted a more complete survey of roses that grow well in this area, I would contact: Garden of Roses of Legend and Romance in Wooster, Ohio, Telephone Kelly King @330-263=3612 or email her @ king.1364@osu.edu

Cath

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RE: Greenhouse (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: floridarosez9 on 11.08.2012 at 03:56 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I once had sweet peas crawling all over my living room floor that I started under lights when it was too hot outside to start them. Hubby didn't find it amusing. Larkspur are to me the loveliest old fashioned flower and can be started directly in the garden in what used to be called a scatter garden. So can poppies, baby's breath, annual phlox, Queen Anne's lace, cleome, gallardia, rudbeckia, cosmos, catchfly. All reseed every year, but larkspur will come back single flowers.

Ones I find do better in flats are lupine, hollyhock (Summer Carnival blooms first year and has gorgeous double blooms), allysum, nasturtium, viola, pansy, dahlia.

Common petunias are fairly easy to start, but the hybrids aren't and I also get a low sprout rate with snapdragons.


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Thanks Harmonyp, good tip on chemical fertillizer (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: Strawberryhill on 11.10.2012 at 12:29 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Thanks, Harmonyp, very good tip on chem. fertilizer for well-drainage. I don't use chemical fertilizer for my heavy clay, fertile, high in salts with poor drainage ... but I witnessed good result with chemical fertilizer in pots, with good drainage. Annie Laurie McDowell was blooming like mad with alfalfa meal, but she wasn't growing much even with de-budding. So I gave it chem./organic fertilizer 10-5-4, put her in partial shade, and she tripled the size within a month in a well-drained pot. I made a mistake using the same stuff on my tomato plants in the ground, they became huge at 4' x 6'.

For well-drained pots or sandy soil, chemical fertilizer make plants grow fast. It's the high-nitrogen in chemical fertilizer, compare to low NPK of horse manure at 0.7 0.3 0.6, and NPK of alfalfa meal at 2-1-2. Blood meal at NPK of 12-0-0, high in nitrogen works fast like chemical fertilizer. One time I sprinkled blood meal around my marigolds to deter rabbits. They shot up to be 3' tall, all green and no blooms. Normally marigolds are 6 inches tall and loaded with blooms


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Blooms of Fall

posted by: amberroses on 11.01.2012 at 07:37 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

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Munstead Wood

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Princess Alexandra of Kent

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Nostalgic for the past season's roses

posted by: dublinbay on 11.05.2012 at 03:06 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

I was all eager to spend a lovely autumn day finishing repainting my front porch, but when I got up today, it was chilly and rainy out there! So I decided to browse my photo album a bit--I miss my roses! Here are some garden shots and singles for you to enjoy also, I hope.

Elle (HT) looks so charming here--a bit of bright red Dublin Bay climber showing on the right.
Elle (Hybrid Tea) 2012

Here's four lovely pinks in a cluster--starting on the left, Austin's Mayflower, Cora Stubbs peony, floribunda Our Lady of Guadalupe, and behind it, Austin's Mortimer Sackler.
Four pink beauties (lft-rgt): Mayflower (David Austin rose), Cora Stubbs peony, Our Lady of Guadalupe (floribunda rose), Mortimer Sackler (David Austin rose--background) 2012

Here's one I'm going to miss--Love & Peace (HT). For some strange reason, it really declined after its big spring bloom, and given that it is prone to BS at the end of each cycle, I ruthlessly spaded it--but I will certainly miss its beautiful blooms.
Love & Peace (Hybrid Tea) 2012

But I still have this beauty to drool over: Chrysler Imperial (HT):
Chrysler Imperial (ht)

This is my Perfume Path--all the really good smelly ones, including the Double Delight you see in front there, are placed along that path:
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Three of my favorites: That 3 Molineux (Austin) planted close together on the right, plus the vivid blue/purple larkspur that grows back wild each year and the new lilies called Silken Road. I liked them so well that I ordered 3 more to plant in there also.
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I'll miss this one--Golden Showers climber that I've been growing for years. Fell victim to RRD this summer--alas!
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I love my bright red Braveheart shrub--with my favorite climber--Dublin Bay, of course, in the background:
Braveheart shrub (Clements), foreground, Dublin Bay climber, background, 2012

I have often bragged about my 7 darling minis called Sweet Diana, but it just occurred to me that I rarely show them. Well, here they are.
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How's this for big, fat, and gorgeous? Peter Mayle (HT)--I have several of him and am crazy about this show-off!
Peter Mayle (Hybrid Tea) 2012

I lost my beloved Buff Beauty during the long, drought-ridden, oven-hot summer. Bout broke my heart, but I already have an order in for its replacement to (hopefully) sprawl along the back fence like its predecessor did:
Buff Beauty (Hybrid Musk rose) 2012

Let's end the nostalgic tour with some other kinds of beauties also--columbine and iris from last spring.
McKenna Columbine, foreground, and Iris, background, 2012

Hope you enjoyed the tour as much as I did. Unfortunately, it is still chilly and rainy outside!

Kate

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RE: Who's doing best? (Follow-Up #26)

posted by: grandmothers_rose on 08.06.2012 at 09:04 pm in Roses Forum

I second POPE JOHN PAUL II. He came from Roses Unlimited this spring and I have been pinching off new buds every week, way more than any other new rose. ROSE DE RESCHT has survived spidermites and sill has just about all her leaves. HOME RUN is in her second year and produces a good number of blooms, and LYDA ROSE always has a "spray" or more blooming.

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RE: Who's doing best? (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: nitric_acid on 08.06.2012 at 09:54 pm in Roses Forum

Fragrant Plum is having the best year it's ever had.

Marijke Koopman is outstanding as always. Winter hardy, disease resistant and vigorous. What more could one want?

Julia Child is amazing. Very healthy, and always loaded with flowers. This has got to be one of the all around best roses in recent years.

Artistry is doing very well. Perhaps my favorite coral orange hybrid tea.

Love and Peace seems to be indestructible. I'm not a big fan of the flowers, but this rose grows too well to get rid of it.

Now for my number 1 dud: Chris Evert. Beautiful melon colored blooms with nice form. The only problem is you only get them once a year. Then it spends the whole summer just sitting there doing nothing. What a tease!

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RE: Who's doing best? (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: bluegirl on 08.05.2012 at 10:23 pm in Roses Forum

Have rocky alkaline soil, high temps. No spray & I'm deep watering ~once weekly.

The stars: Iceberg has lots of blooms, brilliant pink Iceberg has over 30 (got tired of counting) with good pink flush to them.
La Marne has bloomed nonstop & is still at it, same with "Caldwell Pink".
A big-box store Chrysler Imperial & Love have also thrown blooms steadily. All these are in full unrelenting sun.

Peach Belle has lush foliage & about a dozen blooms tho they are smaller. I quit fertilizing late June because it's so dang hot & dry. A couple of Tropicanas have been steady, too, but their blooms are small right now. These guys have some early shade but full blast sun the rest of the day.

A baby Talisman & a bigger Nasturana from Greenmantle. have bloomed since I got them this spring. Nasturana stays covered in bloom. They are in pots.

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: flaurabunda on 08.03.2012 at 01:18 pm in Roses Forum

I have Night Owl next to About Face and it's glorious.

All of my other mauves are surrounded by cream, light pink, or deep red roses & the effect from a distance is that everything looks pinkish.

I agree that golden, warm tones look best next to purples.

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: lizalily on 08.03.2012 at 11:16 am in Roses Forum

I can't say enough good things about South Africa! However, it grows tall and should probably be the center of the bed. The golden orange is always beautiful, the leaves are almost spotless and the healthiest I have seem. It would look fabulous with purples! I have it near Night Owl And they set each other off beautifully. It would be wonderful with Time Zone too. Its far more vigorous then Abbye De Cluny or Just Joey. And its been covered in bloom constantly since early June with a whole new set of them about to start opening...never without at least a few and often COVERED in them!

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: seil on 08.02.2012 at 07:48 pm in Roses Forum

Just Joey is beautiful but not a vigorous grower and can be very winter tender as well as black spot prone. Julia Child, on the other hand, appears to be unstoppable! I don't have a lot of apricot roses, most of mine are more orange. The two I have are Sisters at Heart and Cherish. Neither of them is vigorous and they're both rather stingy bloomers. If yo don't mind brighter colors I'm crazy in love with Dick Clark! Blooms his fool head off and at the moment is the only rose on the patio that has not one spotted leaf! Everything else is nearly nekkid from BS but Dick Clark still has every leaf and is covered in yet another round of blooms.

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: nanadoll on 08.02.2012 at 08:02 pm in Roses Forum

I forgot to mention that Abbaye De Cluny has the same coloring as Just Joey, but is a vigorous grower and fairly large rose with a nice shape. Its blooms are large, too. Diane

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: roseseek on 08.02.2012 at 06:20 pm in Roses Forum

Your stated combinations are lovely. One of the most dramatic combinations I grew in the old garden was purple with orange. Violet and orange roses with violet columbine, penstemon, heliotrope and other perennials. I know many resist orange as "harsh" or "strident", yet that was the combination visitors to that garden were always drawn to and spent the most time ogling. Its drama carried well into a vase, particularly when put in black amethyst Depression Glass ones. Kim

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: nanadoll on 08.02.2012 at 02:59 pm in Roses Forum

Most of my garden is in purple, mauve, yellow, and apricot combinations. I love them! Don't forget Ebb Tide's offspring, Twilight Zone. I have both roses, and I think TZ is a definite improvement over Ebb Tide (stays darker in heat, nicer bush shape). Some favorite yellow roses of mine are that mainstay, Julia Child, and a much smaller shrub with similar yellow blooms, Bernstein-Rose. Golden Celebration is a good Austin yellow. Apricots/peach...where to begin. Abbaye de Cluny is pretty good. Austins Tamora and Evelyn can be good, depending on your climate. Light mauves I like are Blueberry Hill and Angel Face, though that rose can have disease problems in many areas. I have a post with photos of lots of purple/yellow combos on this forum if you're interested. Diane

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RE: rose color to compliment purple/mauves (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: maryl on 08.02.2012 at 02:08 pm in Roses Forum

One of the prettiest combinations I had many years ago was Just Joey and Angel Face. Just Joey is a marvelous color with the mauves. Sorry, I've never heard of the others on your list except for Aloha. The "Aloha" that most of us are familiar with is a pink short climber, so I'm thinking this may be a Kordes rose whose name has been reused without regard to previouos introductions. Or not. The registered rose "Aloha" is not any shade of yellow....Maryl

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rose color to compliment purple/mauves

posted by: poorbutroserich on 08.02.2012 at 12:58 pm in Roses Forum

Hello. I've decided I'm going to do a cutting garden of purples/mauves. I've noticed that all of this color family seem to have golden stamens. I'm thinking gold/yellow/apricot/buff would be pretty with roses like "ebb tide" "night owl" "intrigue"...
I like the following roses based on photos:
"apricot vigorosa" "aloha" "out of africa" "just joey" "wishing" "kordes moonlight: "rugelda" "sunny sky"

Any of my more experienced colleagues care to share an opinion? Also, would some white look nice as well?
This garden will be visible but primarily for cutting.
Thanks!

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