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Drip irrigation for roses

posted by: edenh on 03.17.2014 at 02:45 pm in Roses Forum

I would like to set up drip irrigation for my roses. I am not quite sure what kind of dripper to use and how to incorporate fertilizing with the irrigation. Can anyone help?


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A Dozen Roses I Should Have

posted by: Kippy-the-Hippy on 10.29.2013 at 10:53 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I would love suggestions the dozen roses I should have in my SoCal area.

Happy, Healthy, Scented, Easy to root..... (not really in to red reds)

I have a wish list:
Baronne Prevost
Lady Roberts
Monsieur Tillier
Anna Olivier
Gilbert Nabonnand
Mrs. B.R. Cant
Niles Cochet
Rosette Delizy
Souvenir de Pierre Notting
Maman Cochet
Barbara's Pasture Rose
White Maman Cochet
La Reine
Maman Cochet Climbing
Climbing Pink Powderpuff
Buff Beauty

Any I should take off or add? I made this list up from comments on past threads, but thought I would ask again.

If I wanted to get plants that were about 4 feet tall first, which would you suggest?

I have:
Reve d'Or
Arch Duke Charles
Lady Hillingdon
Lady Ann Kidwell
Grandmothers Hat
Alister Stella Gray
Madame Berkeley
Cl Cecile Brunner


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Cheap homemade deer repellent..actually works!

posted by: mersiepoo on 05.30.2008 at 06:20 pm in Plants for Difficult Places Forum

I did an experiment with my new plants this year. The good thing is is that it works, and my plants haven't been chewed to the ground like they usually are. The bad thing is, is you have to reapply it after a rain, and I am not taking any chances so I apply it every couple of days, at least until the deer have established their feeding habits.

1 egg
1 or 2 garlic cloves, smashed or minced
1 tablespoon of yogurt or milk

Mix in a gallon jug, and pour a little on your plants. I usually make it early in the day so the garlic has a chance to steep. It must work, because other plants that haven't been drenched in the mix have been browsed.

Not sure if it works on rabbits, but the deer avoid it! Don't have to use a ton, I just dribble it on all my plants.


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Small Old Garden Roses for Small Gardens

posted by: ThomasLearning on 09.01.2013 at 02:32 am in Antique Roses Forum

Small Old Garden Roses (OGR) for Small Gardens

Here is a revised list of small Old Garden Roses for small gardens. I will post a new list from time to time as I learn about new roses. Many of the roses were suggested by this forum’s members. Thank you again. I would love to hear from any one who has grown these roses for 4 years or so and who prune these roses (if needed). Please share your tips for keeping the size small and the roses beautiful.

1. Archduke Charles (China / Bengale circa 1825)
2. Barbara's Pasture Rose (Hybrid Perpetual, found rose)
3. Beauty of Rosemawr (Tea, 1903)
4. Boule de Neige (Bourbon, 1867)
5. Captain Harry Stebbins (Hybrid Tea discovered 1980)
6. Comtesse du Cayla (China 1902)
7. Devoniensis (Tea, Foster 1838)
8. Duke of Edinburgh (Hybrid Perpetual, 1860 to 1869)
9. Enfant de France (Hybrid Perpetual, 1860)
10. Francis Dubreuil (Tea 1984)
11. Green Rose (China prior to 1845)
12. Kronprinzessis Viktoria von Preussen (Bourbon 1888)
13. La France (Hybrid Tea 1867)
14. La Reine (Hybrid Perpetual, 1842)
15. Lady Hillingdon (China, 1910)
16. Madame Cornelissen (Bourbon introduced 1860 to 1869)
17. Maggie (Bourbon)
18. Marchesa Bocella (Hybrid Perpetual, 1842)
19. Old Blush (China Hybrid, 1852)
20. Souvenir de la Malmaison (Bourbon introduced 1843)
21. The Doctor (Tea Hybrid, 1936)
22. Westside Road Cream Tea
23. White Pet (Polyantha, 1879)


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OGR nurseries

posted by: rosefolly on 09.01.2013 at 12:42 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I thought it might be useful to gather the names of OGR nurseries that continue to serve us.

We don't often hear about Greenmantle Nursery in Garberville, California, a vendor of heirloom roses and heirloom apples, but they have been in business for a long time. Anyone I know who buys from them seems to be quite pleased.

A little more widely known is High Country Roses in Denver Colorado, I have ordered from them myself and the roses were healthy and robust.

Just today I ran across a vendor new to me, Azalea House Flowering Shrub Farm in Voorheesville, New York, Doesn't sound much like a rose vendor, but it is. They sell lots of lilacs, blueberries, rhododendrons, and azaleas, but also a rather impressive list of European once-blooming OGRs. Their website says that they will sell small plants by mail order and have larger ones available for pick up.

Please add your own to this list. I'm hoping we will find that while we have lost some valuable sources, many smaller treasures remain.



Also Paladine in Canada
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RE: Controlling Size of Old Garden Roses (OGR) in a Small Garden (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: Leighsroses on 08.19.2013 at 10:10 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Ingrid and Luxrosa, thank you so much! I'm so impressed with the knowledge and talent of this group! And thanks to TomasLearning who asked this question about OGRs in a small garden in the first place! Lol!. My rose garden is a border that is 6'-7' deep and wraps the edges of the rectangular space that forms a small courtyard 35' wide and 50' deep on one side and 28' on the other because of the back porch and house.
So I believe it is a matter of creative use of space. I know that I will be replanting some of my borders and will integrate the roses that both Ingrid and Luxrosa mentioned into the first and back tier. I have thought of espaliering or trellising along the wall of the garage. I need a creative use for the height of these roses...


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Rose du Roi of commerce; growth habit, suckering, pictures?

posted by: kristimama on 05.06.2011 at 10:30 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Hi everyone,
What can you tell me about how Rose du Roi grows? Anyone have pictures of this bush in the garden? All I can find online are close ups of the flower.

Vintage says it is "compact, low, and suckering"... but I am too new to roses to really know what that means.

How tall is "compact" in an OGR?

Can Rose du Roi be pegged horizontally to get more blooms? Or are the canes too stiff... i.e. they only grow up and down?

Does suckering mean that this rose will continue to send up new flowering canes, or do you have to remove the "suckers" the way you remove suckers from a grafted fruit tree?

Is this a rose that only puts roses on the last couple inches of cane?

I love the way this rose smells and I'm trying to figure out where to put her in my garden.



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Photo tour of Sacramento Cemetery, April 2010

posted by: catspa on 07.02.2013 at 08:31 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Considering Ingrid's post, "Posting Pictures of Us", I discovered that I have absolutely no photos of me on my computer, except for one with me in hardhat and safety vest huddled with a bunch of environmental managers over drawings at a construction site -- you wouldn't recognize me, believe me.

However, thinking of where there were photos of me, I remembered this blog entry my husband made of our trip to the Sacramento Cemetery, April 24, 2010. Good grief, I'm sure I've never thought to post it and there are a ton of photos taken by my husband -- many whole-plant and quite a few of roses discussed here frequently and recently -- that some (trapped inside by the heat, perhaps!) may enjoy. (Josh, photos of Mlle. de Sombreuil are Figures 76 and 77 -- note that my husband elevated her to a "Mme" in the captions -- sigh.) Also, the photo record of my first meeting with, and close inspection of, "Vina Banks" is here, whom, by the way, I would fatefully meet again at the Vintage sale table at the Celebration of Old Roses this year.

Below is the link for the photos. Most of the photos are labeled with the rose names, but some I couldn't recognize or remember, so if you can provide a name (or correct a name!), I would be glad.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sacramento Cemetery photos, April 24, 2010


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Name the Ten Most Beautiful Roses

posted by: molineux on 08.08.2013 at 07:41 pm in Roses Forum

It has been a while since we've played this game so I think it is time to start it again. Name the ten most beautiful - broken down by color class - modern roses. I'm not necessarily talking about the easiest cultivars, but instead the roses that make your heart sing.

Here, let me start:

Apricot: Apricot Nectar (floribunda, 1964); although Buff Beauty (hybrid musk, 1939) is a close runner-up
Bicolor: Double Delight (hybrid tea, 1977)
Mauve: Paradise (hybrid tea, 1978)
Orange: Folklore (hybrid tea, 1977)
Pink, cool: Lavender Lassie (hybrid musk, 1960)
Pink, warm: Belinda's Dream (shrub, 1988)
Red: Crimson Glory (climbing hybrid tea, 1941)
White: Pope John Paul II (hybrid tea, 2006)
Yellow: Gold Medal (grandiflora, 1982)
Other: Pink Poodle (miniature, 1991) and Tiffany (hybrid tea, 1954)

There are very few roses as beautiful as TIFFANY. Image by diggerdave at Hortiplex.


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Name the Ten Most Beautiful Roses

posted by: molineux on 08.08.2013 at 07:06 pm in Antique Roses Forum

It has been a while since we've played this game so I think it is time to start it again. Name your ten most beautiful - broken down by color class - Old Garden or Reproduction roses. I'm not necessarily talking about the easiest cultivars, but instead the roses that make your heart sing.

Here, let me start:

Apricot: EVELYN (English, 1991)
Bicolor: SCENTIMENTAL (floribunda, 1996)
Mauve: REINE DES VIOLETTES (hybrid perpetual, 1860)
Orange: PAT AUSTIN (English, 1995)
Pink, cool: LA FRANCE (climbing hybrid tea, 1893)
Pink, warm: HERITAGE (English, 1984)
Red: ORFEO (climber, 1963); a new found discovery and god is he gorgeous!
White: SOMBREUIL (climber, 1880)
Yellow: THE PILGRIM (English, 1991)
Other: SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON (bourbon, 1901); although YOLANDE D'ARAGON (hybrid perpetual/portland, 1843) is very close runner-up

Evelyn, the most beautiful rose in the world. Image taken by Hoovb and stored at the Hortiplex database.


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Primer on rose classifications

posted by: GWlolo on 08.05.2013 at 02:30 pm in Antique Roses Forum

It looks like that one needs a good understanding of the rose classifications to really learn how the roses grow and what they need. Is there any online resource or a book to learn about rugosas, Bourbon, damasks, species, true tea vs. hybrid tea, china, polyanthas, noisettes etc?


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Tea, China, Noisette, et al. Experiences and Recommendations

posted by: ArbutusOmnedo on 08.06.2013 at 03:46 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Hello Everyone,

I'm a novice OGR grower, but I'm preparing a new rose bed (about 25'x5') that I am hoping to fill exclusively with lovely antiques. I'm in coastal, sunny, and mildly, but never oppressively humid Santa Monica, CA. Everyone I have had the pleasure to speak with about my climate -particularly Jeri- has led me towards Teas, Chinas, and Noisettes as the premier OGRs for this climate. My research has mostly stayed within the confines of these classes, but I have a few questions about Hybrid Musks, an HP, and a Portland rose as well.

I'd love to hear what folks in similar climates have to say about the following roses they have experience with. I'm worried the mature sizes listed in compendiums for most of these roses are not quite true to this climate. In particular I am considering:

2 Compact Reds amongst Francis Dubreil, Agrippina, Cramoisi Superior, Fabvier, Eugene de Beauharnais, and Slater's Red. I've read that Agrippina is the "dwarf" Cramoisi, so that seems ideal. I really love Francis Dubreil, so I would be thankful for anyone who can let me know a realistic mature size to expect.

2 Compact White/Creams amongst Devoniensis (shrub), Ducher (I've read it can get to 6x6, but mostly see smaller dimensions mentioned), Niphetos (same story as Ducher), and any recommendations you have. I already have Souvenir d'Elise Vardon planned elsewhere if anyone thinks that would work here.

2 Small to Medium (Upright is fine, spread should be no more than 4.5' ideally) Reds amongst White Pearl in Dragon's Mouth, Louis Phillipe, Arthur de Sansal (anyone try this in a coastal climate?), and Baron Girod de l'Ain (anyone think this has a chance/tried it in a costal climate?). Can you think of any other moderate sized Red Chinas or HPs that could make it here?

2 Yellow/Buttery Cream 10' Pillar Roses amongst Celine Forestier, Buff Beauty (Do Hyb. Musks do well here? I've seen Ballerina doing very well not far from here.), Allister Stella Grey, and even Marie Van Houtte. I've read MVH listed anywhere from 4-9' in height, so comments from anyone growing it around here are appreciated.

2 Medium to slightly Spreading Pink Blends amongst Mme. Berkeley, Rose Delizy, Monsieur Tillier, Maman Cochet/White Maman Cochet, Mlle. Franziska Kruger, Catherine Mermet, Archiduc Joseph, Archduke Charles, Sophie's Perpetual, Triumph de Luxemborg, Jean Bach Sisley, and the reputed giant Mrs. Dudley Cross. There are so many that fit the bill, but I don't want something that will get too out of hand. I will not be neglecting these roses, so I can't imagine them becoming a sprawling, unpruned mass. Nevertheless, something that gets to a 5x5 square or equivalent circle would be just about ideal.

I would also appreciate it if you have any experience pillaring (I'm looking to pillar to about 10') any of these roses:
Cornelia, Gloire des Rosomanes, Mlle. Sombreuil, Coquette de Blanches, and Baronne Prevost (Jeri mentioned it might be possible to train as a climber here.)

One last question -I'm sorry to be bombarding you all right now- about mature size:
How large could I expect Adam (Mme. Berard) to grow here? I'm hoping to make a covered archway about 10' by 5' with Gloire de Dijon and Adam growing on the two sides.

I truly appreciate any information you can offer this enthusiastic, but inexperienced rose grower. There are so many incredible roses that should thrive here, but they are so variable in their true growing patterns that Ive grown somewhat incredulous at the rose guides and other books I've picked up or checked out over the past months during planning. Nothing beats first hand experience from neighbors (if only in climate).



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Fall California Rose Events

posted by: Kippy-the-Hippy on 08.05.2013 at 07:44 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Is there a list of the upcoming fall rose events for California? Or can we start one?


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