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RE: Chelsea Flower Show II - Austin et al (photos again of course (Follow-Up #25)

posted by: andreageorgia on 06.21.2009 at 09:02 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Jana, thanks for the info on Tantau's Nostalgic series. I'll take a look at Piano. I actually also got a Chippendale this spring, and mine has not bloomed yet either, so I guess we can compare notes later this year. I also remember looking at Heidi Klum, so any more info and pics on yours will certainly be appreciated.

Princess Alexandra of Kent is not that vivid, but of a deeper pink with a very distinct smoky salmon tint, quite nice actually. Lots of petals in nice formation, it looks superb when it slowly unfolds. It lasts quite well on the bush and in the vase too. I really like its scent, old rose with tea, I'd say.

Young Lycidas is of a very vivid color, but I'd put him more into the purple-cerise group. Toward the end his huge blooms fade into a nice soft mauve. And the fragrance is really superb.

Claire Austin, now that's a very very vigorous, extremely healthy rose (basically no BS in my no-spray garden), and a very good bloomer too so far. Looks like it wants to be a climber. Its flowers open light lemon fading to white or cream white, with a complex myrrhy scent, not too bad. It blooms in clusters and the blooms are very cup shaped. It's pretty, but I think it just looks a little pale somehow, perhaps because it doesn't quite have the radiant quality of say, Margaret Merrill or even Fair Bianca, and the blooms tend to not quite fully open, staying cupped pretty much until the petals drop. Currently, mine is a tall arching shrub (in its second year with me), but I think it'll look better with some support as a climber, perhaps next to a dark red rose like WS2K. Anyway, so far it has proven to be an excellent garden rose, so I can certainly recommend it.

Roselovr, sounds all very good, especially if you're already familiar and comfortable with Nikon and perhaps own some Nikon glass already - did you get the D5000? We'd certainly love to see some pictures!



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RE: Chelsea Flower Show II - Austin et al (photos again of course (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: andreageorgia on 06.17.2009 at 10:13 am in Antique Roses Forum

Many thanks, Carla, and it's nice to hear from you.

Thank you for the compliment, Jana, although there are many gifted photographers here on the forum.

As to the roses, hm, I wasn't overly enthusiastic about this new set from DA. I guess it all depends on personal taste of course, and also on individual gardening needs. I thought that The Wedgwood Rose, which they featured most prominently, was by far the prettiest, but it was also a major flopper, as you can see on the photos. Even DA admits to this 'nodding habit', which, of course, could be an asset in a climber. But this one is really extreme in this habit. I didn't think too highly of any of the others.

Lady of Shallott has a striking orange color, bearing similarity to Pat Austin, but doesn't have its refinement of color and shape, looking much more like a modern orange floribunda. It seemed mostly upright without much nodding, unlike Pat Austin. I found its scent awful. It was not a pleasant warm tea variant as the catalogue states but an especially stinky variant of myrrh mixed with very phenolic tea.

The brightly cerise coloured Tam o'Shanter was a very flimsy thing with small clustered and nodding flowers of undescript loose petal formation on top of very wiry growth (see pics), and no scent to speak of. Good color though. But you can get this from many other roses. I thought it may look good though if mixed with some other tall garden plants, cottage style.

The new single petaled rambler Kew Gardens was not especially attractive or charming, but rather very boring, and I find many of the already existing ones of similar style to be prettier.

Overall I think that DA's previous recent releases have been much more exciting. I can recommend the following:

Munstead Wood - black-red color, thick petal substance, damask scent is just WOW. Blooms last quite well too.

Young Lycidas - huge blooms of a most intense deep cerise pink-purple and very strong damask scent on a short plant, flowers last very long, healthy.

Port Sunlight - The name indicates the radiant color of this one, it really glows in the garden, and has so far proven to be very floriferous with its flowers retaining good shape and their copper-apricot-peach color while lasting very well (unlike Tea Clipper).

Princess Alexandra of Kent has very beautiful huge and well scented blooms, but I seem to have problems with somewhat weakly growing shrubs. It may be just my particular environment though. I actually briefly met the person this rose is named after at a college dinner here in Cambridge. She seemed very nice.

Darcy Bussell - superb lively cherry-crimson color and good form, always in bloom, upright stems and flowers (hey, even DA can do it!), very healthy, but not much scent. Color stands out in the garden. A top notch garden plant so far.

Lady of Megginch - huge deep cerise blooms that last well, what a looker! Not much scent, and sometimes a bit nodding (no wonder given the size and petal count of these blooms). Love it.

And of course, Lady Emma Hamilton and Summer Song. Both are exquisite in color (Summer Song's burnt orange is totally unusual) and strongest fruity scent. LEH is also a great bloomer, Summer Song is slower in repeat.

I also saw Gentle Hermione at the Show, and thought that it looked surprisingly beautiful - a soft glowing pink on an upright shrub with neat petal formation. I suspected thought that the blooms may not last that long, some of them looked a bit tired and loose, something I didn't see on any of the other roses there.

Queeen of Sweden looked very good too at the show (see pics), not much scent though.

Wisley 2008 looked very fragile but beautifiul (see pic). Mine hasn't even bloomed yet ...

For the lovers of rugosas, the Wild Edrics I saw at the show had a striking color and ok scent, but somehow I thought that they lacked refinement and charme. But quite a few roses look different at the show than they normally do. Many of them were also not as much scented as they usually are. So it's not always easy to judge.

Anyway, I thought that the most attractive new release by DA was The Wedgwood Rose, perhaps followed by Lady of Shallott.



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RE: Do I need Souvenir de la Malmaison? (Follow-Up #70)

posted by: nova_novice on 05.15.2007 at 04:10 pm in Antique Roses Forum


Thank you for that run down. You've sold me on SdlM, it will be my next rose purchase! By the way, Chamblees agreed with you (although they have JC/MB in stock, but are out of SdlM), I guess that indicates it is one fine rose!

I may put it off buying SdlM for a year (space issues, not sure I want to run a "container ghetto"), but I will decide that in the next few days (I'm going back and forth). But thanks nonetheless, I read your postings avidly, esp since you live in same climate zone

Your posting on Molineux sold me on that rose, I bought and planted 3 from Chamblees (hoping they grow into a brilliant blooming hedge). My Jude the Obscure is 3 years old (my 1st rose) and is about to put on a show, he has 25+ blooms on him. I'll have to take some pictures as he unfolds



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RE: Do I need Souvenir de la Malmaison? (Follow-Up #69)

posted by: molineux on 05.14.2007 at 12:40 pm in Antique Roses Forum


If I had to choose between the two then Souvenir de la Malmaison wins hands down. Marchesa Boccella is a very pretty and worthwhile rose but it lacks of the WOW factor that SdlM has in spades.

Flower: MB's blooms are a about 2.5-3 inches wide with a knotted button eye in the center. The outer petals form a scalloped edge. Bud color is deep rich pink that progressively lightens to an uniform light cool pink. SdlM flowers are bigger and the quartering is more "tight". The form is absolutely perfect on each and every flower. The outer petals form a circular disc with the inner petals pulled into segments, culminating into a pinpoint center. Only a few OGRs can match SdlM for consistency and perfection of form. Color is a pale icy pink that verges on white. The image included in my last post is very accurate in terms of form, color and petal texture.

Fragrance: very different. MB has a strong Damask scent; i.e. "classic" rose fragrance. Unfortunately, it is very much a one note fragrance. SdlM, on the other hand, has ravishing blooms blessed with a gloriously complex fragrance. Now to be honest, some folks can't smell it. I can and to me it is pure whiff of heaven.

Growth Habit: Both are short to medium in height but MB is more rigidly upright. I prefer the slightly wider habit of SdlM.

Disease Resistance: Good for both. I found SdlM to be slightly more resistant but to be honest I didn't keep MB around long enough to do a fair comparison.

Repeat: Good for both. SdlM is slightly faster to repeat.

Vigor: MB is better. An own root specimen is likely to mature the second year. SdlM makes you wait a year or two longer because she blooms at the detriment of putting on shrub growth.


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RE: Do I need Souvenir de la Malmaison? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: molineux on 03.07.2007 at 01:59 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I only sprayed mine twice last year and her foliage stayed completely clean. Needless to say I was flabbergasted. Sure wish my Austins were this disease resistant. I looked at her a few days ago and the canes have come through this freeky winter (first warm then freezing cold) without any loss of limb. Now add in LARGE, perfectly quartered blooms, sheer silky pale pink petals, strong stems that hold the flower upright (no nodding downward), unusual spicy fragrance and superior repeat = what is there NOT to like? SdlM ties with Reine des Violettes as my favorite Old Garden Rose. IMHO she is must have for any rosarian who appreciates fine Old Garden Roses.

Here is a link that might be useful: Queen of Beauty and Fragrance


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RE: For you: which is the most floriferous Austin? (Follow-Up #48)

posted by: andreageorgia on 03.04.2008 at 11:27 am in Antique Roses Forum

Here's a photo of Lady Emma Hamilton, just fyi.

Lady Emma Hamilton

However, my first pick for the combination of beauty, floriferousness and perfume may be Sharifa Asma. Her scent is just out of this world. For these traits you should also take a look at William Shakespeare 2000. Mine was nearly always in bloom and his richly crimson colored flowers are petal packed and exquisitely shaped. His scent is lovely sweet old rose. Golden Celebration and Crocus Rose are also beautiful and excellent performers. And another superb rose with stunning flower power already mentioned here is Molineux, although his blooms are not quite as beuatiful as those of the others. All of them are quite healthy.

William Shakespeare 2000
William Shakespeare 2000



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RE: For you: which is the most floriferous Austin? (Follow-Up #34)

posted by: olga_6b on 02.29.2008 at 09:14 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Thank you. Marie my AD was grafted plant from local nursery many years ago. I assume it was on Dr Huey originally, but long time since gone own root. I always plant my roses with graft below the the surface (1-2"), so in 2-3 years they all go own root. This AD is probably 8 year old.
Jerome, thank you. I am not sure I have the right picture, but here are some shots. Happy Birthday! Best wishes to you.



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RE: For you: which is the most floriferous Austin? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: mendocino_rose on 02.28.2008 at 11:54 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I see Austins as roses that rest between blooms. Here out of the ones that I grow I wouldn't call any of them constant bloomers. I don't have a problem with that but I do see it that way.


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RE: For you: which is the most floriferous Austin? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: rideauroselad on 02.28.2008 at 06:08 pm in Antique Roses Forum

The most floriferous Austin rose Jerome? This question should produce some interseting results. I am always amazed at the wide variation in reports on various rose cultivars when people ask a question about their performance. I have been growing roses now for almost 15 years in two completely different climates and even in my own experience, there are some vast differences in performance depending on growing conditions.

For me, perhaps the best example is the rose Cressida. Mr. Austin lists her as a summer flowering variety suitable for growth as a climber. In my west coast garden, she grew to over 8 feet intertwined with Sombreuil. She did however repeat bloom with two or three flushes and sporadic bloom between. Here in zone 4b Ontario, she grows as a short shrub under three feet and reblooms very well, multiple flushes until late fall. What is the differnce? She is automatically pruned short each winter and summer conditions are much hotter and more humid than the west coast. She acts like a completely different rose variety in Ontario compared to British Columbia. She apparently likes being pruned short and absolutely loves intense heat.

Now in response to your question, what Austins bloom best for me in my current 4b garden?

Redout, Winchester Cathedral, Mary Rose;
St. Swithun,
Lilian Austin,
Crocus Rose,
Charles Darwin (a favorite, great rebloom, flowers last)
Teasing Georgia,
Heritage (flowers blow quickly),
William Shakespear,
William Shakespear 2000.

Honorable mention, good repeat in flushes;

The Pilgrim,
St. Cecelia,
Queen Neffertiti,
Graham Thomas,
Abraham Darby,
English Garden.

Interestingly, Cottage Rose; which gets almost unanimous rave reviews for continuous flowering, which is why I bought it; bloomed very poorly for me last year. Though it was admittedly in its first year. We'll see how it does in year two.

Both Charles Darwin and Teasing Georgia, which were also new cultivars and young plants in my garden last year, both bloomed almost non stop.

With respect to Charles Darwin, I had previously emailed Tivoli Rose who's photos of it I had admired. She sent me a reply stating that it was a once bloomer in her garden to the best of both her and her husband's recollection. I had decided not to purchase it based on that email, but succumbed and bought two when I found them on sale for half price locally. It is now one of my two or three favorite English roses. Both plants rebloomed almost continuously in their first year. In fact they stayed quite small, due I suspect to the fact they were pumping out blooms so often. This rose is very fragrant, disease resistant, a continuous bloomer and has stunning blooms IMHO to boot.

The moral of the story I suspect is that if you like a cultivar you just better try it and not let other people's recommendation overly influence your decision.


Rideau Rose Lad

Here is a link that might be useful: Charles Darwin @ HMF


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RE: Shape of bushes -- Young Lycidas and Lady Emma Hamilton (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: andreageorgia on 01.09.2010 at 09:02 am in Antique Roses Forum

Our climate in southeast England (zone 8) is probably a tad different from yours, but fwiw I can tell you that Lady Emma (3 seasons with me) is by no means a climber here, but barely 3 ft tall and 3-4 ft wide. The overall impression is of very well behaved, shrubby, wide and well branched rose. It blooms all the time and well through the first frosts here (Dec), often into January, and doesn't want to lose its coppery leaves either. It could very well be an evergreen and everbloomer in your climate, and will probably grow bigger than it does here. It definitiely is a super performer with great color and one of the most amazing complex fruity scents.

I've had Young Lycidas for two seasons and it's a very short rose, under 2 ft so far, with huge and perfumed blooms that can weigh down the slender branches at times. Overall it's fairly upright and vaseshaped, perhaps a bit twiggy, and it definitely takes a breather between bloom cycles. But color and its damask perfume are fantastic, and I love the shape of the flowers, especially before they open entirely - at which point they begin to reflex back and acquire a bit of a blousy look with a softer silvery lavender color, which is also nice, but not as striking as the deep magenta and nicely folded petals of the earlier stages. The blooms last a very long time, up to a couple of weeks here. Keep it close to the border so you can see and smell it.

Hope this helps,


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RE: Baronne Prevost and Salet (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: buford on 06.14.2009 at 09:14 am in Antique Roses Forum

I have 3 Barrones from Heirloom. This is their 3rd year. We saw a bed of them at Biltmore and DH fell in love with them. My conditions here in the SE are a bit different than yours, to say the least. Mine have really taken off this spring, finally losing that lanky look and filling out with all the rain we've had. They are blooming quite well and the fragrance is outstanding. I have them at the very front of my yard and I'm hoping they are an eye popper.

The only problem I've seen with them is that some of the buds wilt and turn yellow and fall off. I'm not sure what causes this. But since they are young and we've had drought like conditions the first 2 years I've had them, I'll wait and see if it continues.

I have a pic from the Biltmore trip. For some reason, I can't get photobucket to work today to show you one of mine:



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RE: Celine Forestier or Crepuscule (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: oldblush on 03.30.2009 at 08:01 am in Antique Roses Forum

Meghan, I have both and love them. Celine is espaliered in an east facing wall and about 4-5 years old. Crepuscule is kinda free standing with some support from a fan type trellis but much younger. Both are very vigorous with Celine being more thorny than Crepuscule.
I'm not much help with fragrance and cannot detect any from either rose. I've had other people say that Celine has a tea fragrance which I've never been able to smell.
I think Crepuscule blooms more but the Celine blooms are fuller, larger and prettier.
Hope this helps.


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RE: Celine Forestier or Crepuscule (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: nastarana on 03.30.2009 at 01:15 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I second the comment about Celine needing TLC. When she is happy--well watered and fertilized--she rewards attention by covering herself with those scrumptious blooms. I don't detect any scent from mine.


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RE: Celine Forestier or Crepuscule (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: peplill on 03.29.2009 at 03:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I grow both. My climate would be as hot as yours but I would have less humidity, but still enough that black spot is a common problem in my garden. I do not spray.
I think these roses are rather different. I grow both on tripods.
Crep is healthy, repeat is good, flowers will crisp on really hot days in my garden. Fragrance is not a standout feature. I have 5 plants in different locations, all perform about the same. Growth is bushy, dense, very attractive.
Celine gets some blackspot, but it does not defoliate. It is almost never without a flower. Fragrance is wonderful and will hang in the air. Flowers do not crisp on really hot days. I have found this rose is a heavy feeder and the performance improved greatly with regular feedings. Growth is a little more climber like, but new canes quickly form many short laterals. It would do well on a fence I think.
photo taken yesterday


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RE: Celine Forestier or Crepuscule (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: redbirds on 03.29.2009 at 01:36 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have a Celine that is three years old now and I just love her. Her growth so far has been very mannerly, I've never pruned anything on her except a dead cane here and there. Her blooms just look so happy to me. They have a really unique form and blend of pink, cream, and yellow shades to them. I've also been wanting Crepuscule, I too have heard all the raves about it.

Celine Forestier

Celine Forestier


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RE: Your best roses that are intensely fragrant, please! (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: hoovb on 08.25.2007 at 03:12 pm in Roses Forum

Firefighter is wonderful. I have five in a vase right now by the computer. Very productive, long straight stems, fragrant until it falls apart. Mine was slow to get going but worth the wait.

Double Delight is ever reliable, as is Fragrant Cloud.

New Zealand too, but it prefers much cooler weather than my garden has (might be very good on Vancouver Island).


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RE: What's your favorite smelling rose? (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: Molineux on 02.22.2005 at 09:15 am in Fragrant Plants Forum

The first time I smelled Gertrude Jekyll the perfume was so strong that it reached out, knocked me over the head, then dragged me by the hair into a state of rosy euphoria. I've N-E-V-E-R smelled a more fragrant rose (and trust me when I say that I've smelled a lot).


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RE: What are you ordering from David Austin 2010??? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: rose_chalice on 12.08.2009 at 11:53 am in Antique Roses Forum

It must be frustrating, jumbojimmy, especially since you can see which Austins are available to others elsewhere.

I wish I could say that the photo I posted is of one Gertrude Jekyll. It's actually a photo of four grouped together. You can see the low one on the left which is struggling. I think that one is planted too close to the privet hedge and those roots are engulfing my poor rose.

Yes, Gertrude can look sad in between harsh prunings. I'm starting salvias beneath her to hide her bare knees.


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RE: Lilac Rose...what the heck??? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: pauline-vi-8 on 09.26.2009 at 01:59 am in Roses Forum

As promised!

This picture taken from the net is what I believe to be the true Lilac Rose


I must say in closing here, that I checked HMF again on Lilac Rose, and I was amazed by the pictures. I did before when I had my puzzlement:) But this time, I could see more clearly, the pictures posted which are the true Lilac Rose and there ones, mostly posted by the same person were to me, definitely St. Swithun...................sooooooooooooo, how do we fix it, Ho-Hum!!!!!!!


Labelled rose from grower in Ontario, "Lilac Rose" which was soon to be believed as St. Swithun. Because I already had three SS at this point I knew by it's habit and the cluster and shape of the buds that it was going to be St. Swithun, before it bloomed. Yup, I was disappointed.

......But you know, My St.Swithun Roses have never before been so good or even since as they were that year. The colour was stronger, on the buds as well as the flowers.

That was not the case this year. Though we have had an amazing summer, it is hard to figure out these roses. Maybe humidity!! upset them, but flowers were paler and buds paler too and a lot of balling. The year the pics were taken was a particularly good year for this rose, (for whaterver reason). I hope it will happen again soon. My pictures that year of St. Swithun were just about the best of any of my other rose pictures!





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RE: Lilac Rose...what the heck??? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: greenhaven on 09.25.2009 at 10:44 am in Roses Forum

Hmm...I think I have St. Swithun after all. "greg" at helpmefind had this to say abot his:

"There is nothing shy about this rose its very vigorus and reached full potential in 2 years shooting up large canes with little effort. I'm going to move it to the back of the rose bed where it can be as loud as it want to be."

However. Mine does NOT have a strong fragrance, ever. It is sofy and talcum-y, pleasant but certainly not strong. Even my Windermere has a stronger scent.
Pauline, I will take some new photos today, and share a couple bloom photos.

Thanks so far.


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RE: Lilac Rose...what the heck??? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: pauline-vi-8 on 09.25.2009 at 12:00 am in Roses Forum

Greenhaven, I would love to see a picture of it. I have given up trying to purchase a Lilac Rose, though I badly would like one.

I find that St. Swithun is often sold as Lilac Rose. It happened to me twice and ten years apart and from suppliers 3000 miles apart.

I have had lots of correspondence and pictures sent back and forth because of this.

I can give you two here, if you like. First I would like to see a shot of yours. If possible.

Anyone who knows where I can get hold of a true Lilac Rose will be my friend forever.

Pauline - Vancouver Island


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RE: Size and health of Tradescant (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: molineux on 08.18.2009 at 04:00 pm in Roses Forum

I agree with Paul. WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE 2000 is a better rose. The flowers are larger, the fragrance more complex, and the repeat bloom is ten times more reliable. The bush is also more attractive. In my garden WS2000 is a lush, 3x4 shrub. The only thing TRADESCANT has over WS2000 is the depth of the crimson coloring. Tradescant is the darkest of David Austin's crimson roses. The black and ruby red tones combined with the perfect flower formation result in a true Gothic beauty. I wanted to grow it as a short climber but the canes refused to grow up. So I shovel pruned the stingy octopus.

Get William Shakespeare 2000 instead.


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RE: Size and health of Tradescant (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: trospero on 08.18.2009 at 10:42 am in Roses Forum

'Tradescant' is a dark Garnet red; the darkest of reds with burgundy tones. The fragrance is fleeting IMO, often not there at all. It is an awkward grower with branches heading every which way; not the most graceful architecture. However, it does remain under 4 X 4 feet which is a good thing. Rebloom is respectable. In my climate it tends to Rust and Blackspot both, and rather badly if not sprayed. 'William Shakespeare 2000' is a far better plant, although it is more of a purple than a red.


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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: rjlinva on 11.01.2009 at 04:52 am in Antique Roses Forum


I'm so glad that you added the comment: few roses tolerate it well, and it does not make for a pretty shrub. I'm assuming you're talking about cutting back ruthlessly. I don't know whether this applies only to roses grown in a dry climate (I strongly doubt that), but, I've resisted cutting back my roses "ruthlessly." I don't think I want ugly shaped bushes for a few more flowers.



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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: michaelg on 11.01.2009 at 11:33 am in Antique Roses Forum

Pruning vigorous shrubs does not generally lead to an "ugly shaped bush." (Note we are not talking about teas and chinas here.) With repeated moderate pruning, including summer pruning, they tend to become dense and upright with many stems. It takes a few years of this for them to fill in and produce fewer long shoots. We've seen many pictures of Olga's gorgeous bourbons and Austins which are all pruned in this way, that is, taken back to around 4' in spring and the stems shortened after blooming.

Some Austins in some climates are natural climbers and will always produce a succession of octopus canes after the first flush and into the fall. These can still be grown as pruned shrubs but will look a bit hairy at times during the season.


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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: jerijen on 11.01.2009 at 07:26 pm in Antique Roses Forum

In my long day benign climate the Austins not only can get huge but the canes themselves are often massive and fat so when you cut them back you do indeed get an 'ugly shrub'. . .

*** Patricia -- Do you get that "candelabra" effect, where a cluster of scrawny little canes emerge where you cut the big cane back?
That's one thing we see, and it really IS ugly. :-(



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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: patriciae on 11.01.2009 at 03:54 pm in Antique Roses Forum

In my long day benign climate the Austins not only can get huge but the canes themselves are often massive and fat so when you cut them back you do indeed get an 'ugly shrub' that is hard to deal with-not to mention the thorns...I am a big fan of the Portlands/Damask perpetuals. Indigo is a wonderful hardy rose with fabulous fragrance and excellent repeat. Jacque Cartier/Marchesa Boccella is really good too but my latest find is Pergol�se that I got grafted from Pickering. It is still in a pot but had the most amazing fall bloom...I can hardly wait to see what it will do in the ground. The scent is to die for. These roses are listed as hardy to zone 5. They dont need any massive cutting back.



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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: aliska12000 on 11.02.2009 at 08:50 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I don't know for sure which of these are Austins without looking them up, am about some.

Crown Princess Margareta - 6 of those, yes, needs a lot of room, probably should be pegged or let climb, shoots out long canes, some short, and Jap beetle fav. I'm getting rid of them but want to enjoy one more bloom cycle next spring when they're best. Thorns are so bad I'm tired of trying to keep the weeds out, can mulch but want the space for more perennials.

Pat Austin - no but mine is not very robust and blooms shatter quickly, some still droop after first flush but gorgeous gorgeous otherwise. Another Jap beetle magnet.

Hyde Hall - yes but maybe because it doesn't get quite enough sun. It also has one cane that is too tall and thick, should have pruned it down last spring.

Enfant de France, no, got too crowded, didn't notice in time, shovel pruned it, sad because it was a beauty and reasonably hardy here.

Geoff Hamilton, no not at all, vase shaped, but is too tall for where it is, puts out pretty blooms but sporadic

Dark Lady, yes and no, think part of it stretches out for more sun which is very close to her, excellent rebloomer and Jap beetles bother it one of the least.

Charlotte, no, gets the most sun but another Jap beetle magnet, am keeping those two awhile longer, have to prune them back more than I'd like because they grow over the sidewalk, try to keep them tied back.

Wisley, no, either not very strong or most blooms droop, constant rebloomer.

Miss Alice, a dud, pretty peach but flat ugly blooms, probably doesn't like being so close to the French drain.

Evelyn, don't remember about her, didn't do much this year, beautiful last year.

Rosemoor, no but not doing much at all

That's it for the Austins or ones I'm not sure. Haven't posted much lately but I have two Hettie, love my clones of her more than the photo at RVR, am going to try to move or make her happier. She's not winter hardy but springs back quickly, got a couple canes come up through my clem that exceed 6'. Awakening, don't know what I'm going to do with those, good rebloomer, Jap beetles love it and would move it to where it could climb better but think the canes, though winter hardy to some extent, will never top my arbor and live.

My conclusion is that if you are going to grow Austins, they need lots of sun and space, difficult to interplant with perennials, and if you do, they should be the kind that are shorter and scramble/fill in.

With most of them, it's my inexpertise but I think some of it is I'm not going to do the kind of spraying you have to do to have nice roses around here except for ones like Carefree Beauty. This year was horrible for lots of new problems, too much rain, and just about every rose but the once bloomers got blackspot. One huge once bloomer got that or something similar and lost most of its leaves. The other once bloomers? Not a trace of it yet. Odd. But they take up valuable space to only bloom once then add no interest to the garden areas.

I'm really disappointed in my venture into roses except for very few, don't have the right kind of yard for them. Plus I would never buy any grafted roses again even though the own root take longer.


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RE: DA roses have octopus arms? (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: terryjean on 11.04.2009 at 02:39 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have grown Gertie for several years in central Illinois Zone 5. She usually suffers winterkill; some years it's worse than others because of the cold temps and requires more spring pruning. However, by the end of May, Gertie is growing quickly and is full of blooms. She is an Austin that has that 'old rose' fragrance that is to die for!!

Gertie is a rose that must be sprayed for BS if that is a problem in your area; otherwise she defoliates pretty bad. In order to get Gertie to rebloom, she demands a severe pruning after every flush; I prune her by at least 1/3 to 1/2. This keeps her long arms in bounds also.

My Gertie is several years old, and has gone own-root. She is a massive girl and is several feet wide now. She's quite a sight to behold when in bloom....and the fragrance! is to die for when I'm deadheading her. She's an Austin I would not be without.


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RE: Info on Some of the Lesser Known Austins??? -LONG- (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: rhondabee on 07.06.2009 at 11:48 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have had Crocus Rose and The Mayflower for about 4 years. I don't spray with fungicides. The Mayflower is disease free foliage-wise, but the flowers often fail to open. I have two in different locations and they both have the same problem. The scent is a wonderful old rose scent when they do open. I think I need to do a good pruning to see if that will help.

Crocus rose is my favorite so far. It gets little black spot and for some reason when some of the leaves do blackspot, they just turn dark, not yellow and hang on the bush, so you can't even tell. It is so free flowering - never out of flower and the spring flush was amazing. I love this rose. I'm a light pruner, so the bush is about 5 1/2 to 6 feet tall and about 4 feet wide and is arching in habit. Mine is very vase shaped. The only drawback is the scent is not that strong, but there is a moderate tea rose scent. I definitely will get another one when I make room.

I have had The Shepherdess for only a year, but it is virtually black spot free (maybe 1 or 2 leaves with a spot) and is staying pretty compact. The flowers are very cupped and similar in shape to Jude the Obscure, and are a very light apricot, pretty much cream colored in hot weather, but smaller. Moderate fruity scent to my nose.

I just planted Spirit of Freedom and The Alnwick rose, so I don't know about these yet. The Missouri Botanical Garden (Shaw's Garden) in St. Louis has 4 Spirit of Freedoms climbing on posts. They are very lovely, seem to be always in flower and I don't know about the disease resistance, because I think they probably spray. The flowers are gorgeous, nodding cupped flowers with a lilac tint. There is a nice scent, but nothing really strong like Jude the Obscure, my favorite scent.

The Generous Gardener is also at the Botanical Garden, and it is a huge climbing bush. I saw it when it had its spring flush and it was beautiful with large creamy loosely cupped flowers with a very nice scent - can't describe the scent though. However, when I've gone to the garden at other times during the summer, it never seems to be in bloom, so I'm not sure if it has good repeat.

I find in my climate, the English roses do very well and are quite disease resistant compared to some the hybrid teas I inherited. My Mister Lincoln and First Prize roses are naked with no leaves. A few feet away are my Austins, with almost no disease. I also have a Molineux that probably gets the most black spot of my Austins, but even it has only about 30% leaf loss. I also have some Bucks, Folksinger, Aunt Honey, Prairie Star and Quietness and Quietness is the only one that is disease free. Aunt Honey is beautiful but surprisingly quite a bit of BS, but never out of flower, so it is staying.



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RE: David Austin's Gardens photos (Very Long) (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: blendguy on 06.26.2009 at 04:36 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Hi le Jardin, we moved here for several reasons.. my partner is English and had a career opportunity, I wanted the chance to go back to school, and we have family here. I've always loved England anyway, so I was actually more excited than my partner! I love it here.

Hi Diane, thanks for looking at the photos, I'm really glad you enjoyed them.

Hi albertine, Yay! Another corgi fan. I've had two as well and they really spoil you for other dogs (although, there are many others that I love as well). We see a lot of Jack Russells, Greyhounds, Westies, occasionally an English Bulldog or a Bull Terrier. There are also some type of herders that I'm not familiar with that remind me of skinny versions of Australian Shepherds. If I ever see Lilac Rose looking lonely at a garden centre, I'll probably go ahead a pick her up anyway, but she's not something that I'm going to seek out, there are far to many recommended roses to get first!

Andrea! We really have to meet up, I think you might be my soul sister! :) I picked up Mr. Fairchild and Alan Titchmarsh together last autumn, the first to roses that I purchased here. I have mixed feelings about A.T., like your', mine tends to have such heavy flowers that they go right to the ground. On the other hand, there are so many of them! For a first year rose mine must have produced 30 or so roses so far this year. I noticed that if I let the branches hang, like pegging I'm getting new shoots popping up and already there are buds on them too, so I'm just going to let him do his thing and see how it goes. Mr. Fairchild, by comparison, has been less vigourous; but I much prefer the flowers, scent, and bush shape. I really like this rose.

Wow... going through your wonderful list:
I grew Gertrude in California and didn't really like her. I smell some scent, but my nose doesn't register the scent that everyone else raves about. I had the same problem with Comte de Chambord, so I guess I'm just not wired for that group. Shirifa is in a nice pot, I am hopeful. Jude I adore, I'll have him again soon. Lady Emma Hamilton really surprised me at Austin's, not my colour, but I loved the scent. Summer Song is totally out of my colour range, I wish I had smelled it though.. bananas!?! I really liked Young Lycidas, it is one that needs to be seen in person to really get the subtlety of the colours, and yes.. WOW, what a scent! Love WM2k, so so about Golden, but love the Prince. This is one of my favourite photos of him from my California garden:

I saw Dark Lady and Prospero for the first time this trip, both nice but undewhelming. I really liked Munstead Wood. Also saw Radio Times for the first time, it was nice but didn't bowl me over. Now, I had the Alnwick Rose high on my list, but was disappointed in the scent! I chose Sceptre'd Isle over it this year during my small bareroot purchase, and had been wondering if I had made the wrong choice. The way you describe it though, I really out to love it, so maybe it was just the wrong time of day, or I had been overwhelmed by other scents. I grew Evelyn in California and I liked her delicacy very much. I've yet to meet Ab Darby, isn't that strange!? Princess Alexandra and Jubilee are the two top on my list right now, I'll keep my eye out for Rosemoor. Gentle Hermione is the other bareroot I ordered this spring, and she just had her first flowers this week. I like her, and true to Austin's word, she held up beautifully in the rain this morning, and even held water in her cup through the whole day without falling over or apart. I used to grow Tamora as well, but in California it was a rust magnet, I swear it was nearly copper coloured by the end of the season.

Thanks for sharing your list, it's helped reassure me about several choices that I'm interested in. Here's a shot of Tamora and Evelyn:

Carla, it's so kind of you, thanks for the good wishes. Here's a hug for you... (((Carla))).

Hi Joanne, it's nice to see you! Apparently they have redone the "Lion garden" and will grow roses with perennials, thank goodness, as much as I like roses I much prefer them mixed with other roses. Mottesfont is still the gold standard for me. Megan thanks you, and sends best wishes to Maggie.

Hi Aliska 12000, thanks for looking, and good luck with your Wisley, ultimately, it really comes down to each of our gardens, what does poorly for David Austin might be a gem for someone else. That's a lovely photo!

Hi Sue, thanks for your good thoughts, they are much appreciated.

Thanks Beth!

Cheers everyone! I'm delighted that you have enjoyed these photos.


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RE: David Austin's Gardens photos (Very Long) (Follow-Up #22)

posted by: aliska12000 on 06.26.2009 at 02:43 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Thanks, Andrea. I got a decent bloom out of mine for the first time this spring (3rd year for it). I've not noticed BS being any worse on that than some of the others. See if I can find a photo.

I should sp 2 there but am holding off with Wisley. I didn't consistently get blooms like this or a magnificent bush covered with them, but I am thinking about spraying for BS. I've lowered my expectations for my roses considerably and will try to feed them better, winter protect some/as many as I can, and water.

This time of year after the first flush, only my 2 Charlottes are the best rebloomers, others do off and on, so I cut them all back and will keep the buds off until about first week in Aug. Then maybe I will get a fall flush. Maybe not. I couldn't take the beetles any more, have too much else to worry about than picking them every day in the heat. Then if they come back and go after the bushes or something else badly (it was just getting started here), I'm spraying with Sevin and figure with no blooms, it's not as bad a menace to the bees as it would be otherwise.


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RE: David Austin's Gardens photos (Very Long) (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: andreageorgia on 06.24.2009 at 08:45 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Ingrid, It's a bit hard to judge by the picture, but I think this could be Lady of Megginch or the original Wisley (discontinued). I guess you or Robert (or I) could contact DA (send them the URL of this thread) and ask?

Thanks for this, Robert! I actually grew TIMF in North Carolina for a season or two and really liked it a lot. I should have picked it again here instead of Alan Titchmarsh/The Huntington Rose, whose flowers always kiss the ground on their long bent canes, and look just unexcitingly mid-pink to my humble eye. Some sort of tea scent, nothing to write home about either. Rebloom has so far not been good, but maybe the plant needs more sun. I know that some people others like this rose a lot, but somehow I still can't warm up to mine even in season 3, as vigorous as it is. I think you just got one too, didn't you? I hope yours will be more delightful. If you feel you need another one, just swing by and take mine. I'll be happy to put The Ingenious Mr Fairchild in its place. ;-)

My favs among Austin's strongly scented ones are (minus the myrrhy scented ones since I don't like this scent with one exception):

Gertrude Jekyll. Does superbly in my no-spray garden - blooms a ton without fuss and is very healthy and vigorous without getting too lanky, unlike in the US.

Sharifa Asma

Jude the Obscure

Lady Emma Hamilton - you really need to try this one, scent is similar to Jude, but more complex fruity and perhaps even stronger, more delicious!

Summer Song - what a color, what a scent (bananas!). Repeat has been slow so far, but the blooms last well and are just incredible in their color!

Young Lycidas, wow color and shape, and wow perfume (see my thread on Chelsea II). Very short plant.

William Shakespeare 20000. It really doesn't get anymore exquisitly beautiful than this.

Golden Celebration

The Prince

The Dark Lady - superbly sweetly perfumed here but not so much scent in NC, go figure. A bit of a BS magnet though.


Munstead Wood - incredible black-red color and velvety substance with superb scent, see my comments on my Chelsea II thread - but you've seen it at the show and DA anyway.

Radio Times - a bit similar to Sharifa, but doesn't stay quite as strong and delicious, veering more toward tea in the end.

The Alnwick Rose (very sweet raspberry, yummy) bloom shape is exquisitely geometric, a bit like a water lily, and color is a glowing pink, love it!

Evelyn, our diva, of course

Abraham Darby, very fruity

Princess Alexandra of Kent, nice mix of classic rose with fruit and tea

Jubilee Celebration, nice and fruity

Rosemoor, one of my latest discoveries. Very small and charming flowers in large clusters on a vigorous but well behaved and extremely healthy plant with beautiful matte blue-greyish foliage. The blooms have noticeable patches of different shades of pink and are often a bit irreguarly but cutely shaped, and the scent, while only medium in strength, is, just like the rest of the plant, very different and distinct. It's old rose with some sort of most intriguing pointy note, perhaps a bit powdery, hard to decribe, but very refined. Looks like a superb bloomer.

Othello has a knock-out damask perfume with sumptuous flowers, but my plants in the US always became unruly monsters after June, so maybe skip this one.

The myrrh: Fair Bianca's perfume is very complex and refreshing, with myrrh being just one component. I really liked this rose a lot when I grew it in the US, it was nearly always in bloom and quite healthy. But I've heard that it can lack vigor. Definitely a candidate for a pot.

Well, if you like myrrh, check out The Ambridge Rose or Gentle Hermione (the latter looked great at the Chelsea Show, but I don't grow it). Tamora is extremely myrrhy and of a lovely glowing apricot-pink, but my plants were mega BS magnets in NC. Completely defoliated without very regular spray. So I don't grow this rose here.



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RE: David Austin's Gardens photos (Very Long) (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: blendguy on 06.24.2009 at 12:50 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Thanks to everyone for looking, I'm glad to share the photos with other rose lovers.

veilchen, it really was remarkable. The gardens were just so beautiful. I really enjoyed getting to see and smell all of the roses I've been dreaming of for years and to finally see them in person. You should definitely go on vacation sometime, and it you plan the timing you could also visit Mottisfont to see the old roses!

Carol, I did see Munstead Wood... surprisingly, it was much more common around the garden than WS2000, which I mistook it for a few times. It is a really lovely rose, it seems to hold that richer colour better than WS2000 which can sometimes turn pretty hot. It's hard to comment on things like disease as the entire garden was nearly perfect (I can only imagine the spraying program they must have). It's also hard to tell much about the shape of the bushes as most seemed to be planted in groups as Austin tends to suggest. I did think to myself that if I were looking for that colour again, I might be very tempted by Munstead Wood. Let us know what you think!

Pam, I'd love to have you there with me too! Of course, your garden is incomparable, and one think that rather disappointed me was that there were virtually no companion plants... I guess they've run out of room for anything but roses!

Hi Andrea, I've not heard much of Lilac Rose either, it was never on my wish list. Austin writes, "Fine, large blooms of lilac pink on a short, bushy shrub. Needs regular sprays to keep it healthy. Very strong myrrh fragrance." , so I suspect it is one of the roses that is being culled, and apparently for good reason! I used to grow WS2000 in California, and loved it, now I might have a hard time choosing between it and Munstead Wood (why choose? grow both!). One of the goals of the day was to find a Sharifa Asma to see and smell, as I've always heard good things about her scent... I liked it very much. I was at the local garden centre yesterday and found a scraggly bush in the 50% off lot, so brought it and Strawberry Hill home with me. We didn't pick any up at David Austin's because we went by train up to relatives and then drove to Austin's from there, we would have had to carry them back with us on the train and already had our hands full with the Megan (the corgi) and our luggage. I was strongly tempted to bring two back with me, and out of the ones they sold there I would have chosen Jubilee Celebration and Princess Alexandra (although, I don't have a Jude here, and miss him terribly, so would have possibly chosen him instead, or in addition to, so probably good that we took the train!). Like me, you obviously favour strong scented roses, which would you recommend? Have you tried The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild? I'm growing it here and I love it! I'm also growing Scepter'd Isle, but planted it bare root and hasn't bloomed just yet (this week I hope). I was delighted to smell it at Austin's... it was strong and lovely (but then, I like myrrh, as well as the fruity scented Austin's and the old rose scented ones).

Bustopher, I don't remember seeing Claire Austin growing on one of the trellises, but I do remember from the last trip seeing small bushes planted to do so. I can't imagine they would have grown that tall already. The two times I've seen Claire Austin I've been struck that she is more lemony yellow than I would have thought from the descriptions, and that her scent was weaker than I would have hoped. Of course, it could have been just the time of day.

Hi Florence! Beware the Lilac Rose apparently, as mentioned above it seems to require spraying according to Austin, and if HE says that... it can't be a good sign. I hope I haven't enabled anyone! Or perhaps, someone who owns it might confirm or deny the horrible rumours!

Thanks for looking Patricia! I'm glad you enjoyed them.

Hi Ingrid. Sorry, I have no idea. I realised I was racing the clock and had to just ignore the plates unless I was particularly interested in the rose itself. Too bad the plate isn't visible in the photo or I might have been able to read it in a higher res version. If I go back again this year, I will be sure to check for you.

Debbie! Another Rose and Corgi lover! That's our beloved Megan, who is now 12, but still loves to go out on adventures with us. They let her ride the train and buses here which is great. She sometimes will sit on my lap and look out the window as we ride along, and often when we pull into a station the people waiting will see her and wave. Amazingly, corgis seem to be very rare here! I guess people associate them with the Queen and for some reason don't want to have them themselves? I've been told constantly how rare they are to see anymore, and in almost a year of living here I've not seen another. I hope that when we decide to get another, we can at least go to Pembrokeshire and find a breeder! Corgis are amazing dogs!

Hi Le Jardin, yes it's Jude... stunning as always. One of my favourite roses I've ever had the pleasure to meet.

Here's a parting shot of Princess Alexandra of Kent, they had this rose planted in many spots throughout the garden, and I can see why, she's a real scene stealer.. nice plant, huge flowers, strong scent. Definitely on my wishlist.

Thanks everyone for looking and leaving the nice comments.


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RE: Tell me about Ambridge Rose (Follow-Up #28)

posted by: molineux on 01.12.2009 at 04:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

HERITAGE (English) - shell pink; two trained as climbers.
THE PILGRIM (English) - blush yellow; two trained as climbers.
These four roses are trained as climbers up a west facing trellis attached to my house. The roses are fronted by a raised flower bed, constructed from native stone, containing reblooming bearded irises in shades of blue-white-lilac-pink, dwarf shasta daisies, dwarf purple coneflower and lavender.

Central stone path planted with creeping thyme, johny-jump-up violets and creeping Roman chamomile.

New flower border:

SHARIFA ASMA (English) - light warm pink
AMBRIDGE ROSE (English) - apricot pink
HAPPY CHILD (English) - canary yellow

Stone steps leading up to potting shed.

Right side of steps planted with sunflowers and lavender.

Left side of steps planted with 2 MOLINEUX (English, yellow blend), annual blue cornflowers, and violets (var. Etain; LOVELY fragrance!).

Just to the right, at the top of the steps, against a trellis attached to east facing fence wall:

EVELYN (English) - apricot pink
ABRAHAM DARBY (English) - smoky pink blushed coppery apricot
More Lavender

Front of potting shed (facing north) planted with Prince Charles Clematis, foxgloves, native bleeding hearts, monkshood and perennial forget-me-nots (var. Looking Glass and Jack Frost).

BTW, the F-R-A-G-R-A-N-C-E!!! Between the irises, then the roses, followed by the chamomile, lavender, coneflower, thyme and sweet violets. It is positively orgasmic. Just make sure to watch out for the bumble bees - their EVERYWHERE.

Hope this helps,



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RE: Tell me about Ambridge Rose (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: hoovb on 01.12.2009 at 02:51 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have 8 of them as a hedge outside my living room window. They bloom very well and I love the fragrance which is a sweet myhrr. They have many less thorns than 'Tamora' but more thorns than 'Heritage'. I like AR a lot though it is not as disease resistant as 'Molineux' or 'Tamora'. They make a nice hedge.


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RE: Tell me about Ambridge Rose (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: olga_6b on 01.07.2009 at 03:04 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Had it in my garden for 6-7 years. Loved the color, fragrance and great rebloomm. Very attractive bush shape, stays small and bushy, probaby 4x4.

The only negative, it requires spraying, like all other Austins here. It was healthy for me with Banner every 2- 3 weeks.
I am not sure you are fond of this kind of fragrance though. Definitely some myrrh here.



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Tell me about Ambridge Rose

posted by: molineux on 01.07.2009 at 08:58 am in Antique Roses Forum

Hello forum friends. In the spring I'm putting in a new flower bed on the west side of my house. The bed is raised up about a foot and a half, made of native stone, long and narrow, approx 3 x 13 feet, located up against an east facing wooden privacy fence, and borders a garden path that will get a moderate amount of traffic. The color scheme is "Easter pastels", basically clear shades of yellow, apricot and pink. I'd like to put in three roses separated by two French Lavender (Lavandula x intermedia, var. Provence) plants. The roses need to have short, upright growth habits. I've pretty much made up my mind on using HAPPY CHILD and SHARIFA ASMA, which are two English Roses that I've had prior experience with. However, I need a short apricot rose. I was going to use TAMORA but then I thought about the wicked thorns. Even with careful pruning Tamora is way too thorny for the amount of traffic that will be flowing along the bordering garden path. I DO NOT want Rob, myself or any house guest getting mauled. So I did some research and read in Clair Martin's 100 English Roses for the American Garden that AMBRIDGE ROSE has all the qualities I'm looking for.

Yeah and books don't always tell the truth.

The author lives and gardens in Califrickinfornia, which has a completely different climate than the temperature extremes and year round high humidity typical of the Mid-Atlantic region.

I have absolutely no experience with AMBRIDGE ROSE. I haven't even had a chance to see it growing in a public garden. Before I order the rose I'd like to solicit your personal comments.

Is it a good rose?

Is the foliage reasonably disease resistant? (I do spray fungicides, but only infrequently, approx once every 2-3 weeks during the growing season)

Is the repeat bloom reliable?

Just how thorny is it? I don't need completely smooth, but definitely not something like Tamora or a Hybrid Rugosa. Light to average thorniness is acceptable.

Will it stay at 3 feet with pruning?

Are the blooms truly apricot or apricot-pink as depicted in photographs?

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Best wishes always,


Image of Ambridge Rose by Cathy9norcal-CA-9 at Hortiplex.


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RE: Bad Charles Darwin! (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: Molineux on 12.04.2003 at 01:47 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

It isn't your fault. Mine look like that too and I have them in an area that doesn't get blasted by constant moisture. As for the rose itself, sometimes I like the soft coloring and other times I hate it. If it weren't for the to die for fragrance I would have shovel pruned them months ago. Try blowing hard on the buds as they are starting to open to prevent the balling.


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RE: Charles Darwin #5 (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: Molineux on 12.04.2003 at 02:09 pm in Rose Gallery Forum

From my upcoming list of fragrant roses.

CHARLES DARWIN (Austin, 2001) light yellow. Before I begin writing about him let me tell you right now that Charles Darwin is the most fragrant yellow David Austin English Rose to date. I first saw this rose April 2003 at Johnson's Nursery in Kensington, Maryland and the fragrance just about knocked me down! The complex scent DID NOT smell like myrrh but was instead an intoxicating blend of Damask, Tea Rose and fresh citrus. YUM!!! The HUGE, perfectly formed flowers appear singly on long stems suitable for cutting. Like I just wrote the flower form is perfect and changes a good bit. It first starts out globular like a big round ball then s-l-o-w-l-y opens and quarters into an extremely large dazzling bloom. Vase life is very good and you can expect a bloom to last up to week provided you cut the stems again under water after harvesting. Color is unreal it is so beautiful and reminds me of the subliminal hues that we associate with the classic Noisette Gloire de Dijon. Think pale beigy yellow with pink tints on the buds. In terms of color development placement is everything with this rose. He needs a good bit of direct sunlight to develop past that beige/pink stage. If he gets at least 6 hours of direct the bloom will develop a handsome good clear yellow color before fading to a softer tone that looks exactly like antique lace. Trust me the combination of soft antiqued yellow (aged laced), translucent silky petals, PERFECT full quartered form, HUGE size and INTOXICATING fragrance is a killer. This is a rose connoisseurs rose. Repeat bloom is top notch. As of 7/17/03 he has produced a steady stream of flowers, which is remarkable for an Austin. Growth habit ain't bad either. Charles Darwin grows to 4-5 feet tall then gracefully arches outward to form a lovely mound. Unfortunately Charles Darwin has one but severe fault: disease resistance sucks. This has been the most disease prone acquisition this year. At first it showed considerable resistance to black spot but has since succumbed to the fungus. Of the two bushes I have one is completely defoliated (but making a comeback). The other looks good but only because I've consistently sprayed it with fungicides. I'm lazy with my spraying and like to go 3-4 weeks between applications but not with this sensitive lad. Milady you will have to spray EVERY WEEK if you want to keep the foliage clean. And to add insult to injury this Austin is prone to powdery mildew too. Like I said if you want to enjoy Charles you've got to be prepared to spray-spray-spray. Honestly I'm gonna hold onto him because of the seductively handsome fragrant blooms but this is not a rose for a novice or a no spray garden. Winter hardy to zone 6.

Here is a link that might be useful: Charles Darwin at David Austin Roses Ltd


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RE: Easiest Austins? (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: andreageorgia on 05.02.2009 at 05:17 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I agree with Michael about Othello. When I grew my three (!) Othellos in NC, I had to prune them hard and carefully down to 3-4 ft every winter so they would form full bushes with a ton of flowers. That way they got broader and broader every year with a vastly increasing amount of flowers. Plus organic and unorganic fertilizers and alfalfa tea, what all my other roses also got. They looked terrific through June or so, but by July/August they began to throw out their whipping canes and did not produce so many blooms anymore. I don't grow Othello here in England.

Othello during spring flush, flanked to the left by Heritage and to the right by Tamora

Othello, May 18, 2005


Beautiful flowers with terrific scent, but a difficult plant. I wouldn't recommend him.



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RE: Yellow roses (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: molineux on 07.13.2009 at 02:40 pm in Antique Roses Forum

CHARLES DARWIN has the strongest fragrance among the yellow Austins but the color is butt ugly (washed out mustard yellow), no vase life to speak of, and in Maryland the foliage is a martyr to black spot. I actually laughed with joy when I ripped it out of its comfortable bed and then hacked its sorry self into mulch.

Of course, you DO live in San Francisco so it might do better. I will say when it is "on" (and the yellow color is soft pearly yellow rather than mustard ) CHARLES DARWIN is the most beautiful yellow rose in the garden. Alas, an effect that is all too fleeting.

Case in point (click the link! DO IT NOW!!!),

Here is a link that might be useful: Charles Darwin by Tivoli Rose


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RE: Yellow roses (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: jeffcat on 07.13.2009 at 01:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I only know of some Austins off the top of my head.

Charles Darwin was one that I wanted to purchase, but was unable too. I don't hear much about him, but he is supposed to have quite large and very fragrant blooms. The blooms are a solid yellow, but also fade to a white as they age which may be good or bad for some people. I particularly like the dual coloring effect it gives with yellow and white at the same time. The blooms are a much steeper and defined cup compared to Graham Thomas and Golden Celebration from what I have seen.


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RE: Yellow roses (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: molineux on 07.13.2009 at 08:49 am in Antique Roses Forum

That JERI JENNINGS photo is incredible!

Since we are talking Hybrid Musks then you might want to consider BUFF BEAUTY. It is a classic HM that has stood the test of time.

CHARLOTTE (English, 1994) is indeed a lovely rose. The soft golden yellow color is and Old Garden Rose flower form are very beautiful. I ended up shovel pruning mine and have regretted it ever since. Why? Graceful shrub, few thorns, lovely flowers, good consistent repeat bloom, and better than average resistance to black spot. I shovel pruned it because the light to moderate fragrance didn't thrill me - I could kick myself.

Too other wonderful goldens are JULIA CHILD (Floribunda, 2004) and the legendary MOLINEUX (English, 1994).

Here is a link that might be useful: Need a rose as perfect as Molineux


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RE: Abraham darby... (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: Olga_6b on 01.17.2005 at 07:34 pm in Organic Rose Growing Forum

I prune my AD every spring to sturdy wood and it grows like a strong bush.



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RE: The Romantic Garden (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: molineux on 02.20.2009 at 12:55 pm in Antique Roses Forum

"Romantic" gardens always evoke a strong sense of wonder and emotion. Secret pathways, flowery bowers, garden swings, water bubbling and dancing - showing off, bright shocks of color here and there, dark shadowy places with strategically placed mirrors cut to look like doorways into faerie. Whimsical faces peering out from dense foliage. The unknown scent of jasmine and roses wafting through the air. The intricate texture of fragrant herbs. Pathways that lead to a sudden pumpkin patch, overflowing with white gourds. Stepping stones with violets and other flowering ground-covers. Shimmering, dazzling light created using pastel "easter egg" colors. Walls, trellises, and fences for privacy. Garden like an artist, using the garden as your canvas and the flowering plants as your pigments and brush strokes.

Basically go rent THE SECRET GARDEN dvd by Warner Bros and you'll get an idea of what a true romantic garden looks and most importantly feels like. Btw, Pam and I could give you a million rules and you could still mess it up. Romantic gardens are unrestrained, definitely not formal, and intuitive. That's it, use your own intuition and innate creativity. Oh and be willing to make mistakes aplenty, because that is part of the whimsical fun.

P.S.: one of my favorite ways to garden like this is to come up with a theme, plan the garden, then try my best to break the rules while holding together a cohesive "vision". It ain't easy but the fey touched madness is one of the things that makes a Romantic Garden so wonderful.


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RE: Full bush shot- Evelyn (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: hoovb on 06.14.2009 at 08:06 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Thanks for all the kind comments!

Evelyn is 12 years old. It was that size in 3 years. I've tried all kinds of pruning on that beast. Hard prune after spring flush and again in August seems to work best. The fragrance is heavenly. Mine is in full sun all day, but temperatures are mild here compared to DFW. From what I have read she doesn't like shade or heat, so kind of tricky to place.


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RE: Full bush shot- Evelyn (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: hoovb on 06.13.2009 at 10:53 pm in Antique Roses Forum



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My Time of Year, (full bush shots)

posted by: oldblush on 04.28.2009 at 06:07 am in Antique Roses Forum

The first flush is about over and the thrips haven't ruined everything (yet).
Peggy Martin is in her second season and beginning to drape.

Near, Clementina Carbonieri (out of focus), Monsieur Tillier and Sally Holmes.

Red Radiance, not your typical hybrid tea.

Last but not least, Perle d'Or.


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RE: My Time of Year, (full bush shots) (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: oldblush on 04.29.2009 at 06:31 am in Antique Roses Forum

Thank you Randy. I think Peggy is also gonna be a "hog" of the garden.

Thanks Eric. I think you'll love Red Radiance. I have most of the Radiance clan and love them all. If you've never experienced the fragrance you're in for a real treat.

Kay, thank you. Lots of the roses are mature but I just keep planting new ones (LOL).

Thank you Krista. The radiances do repeat as well as any rose I've seen.

Gean, Perle d'Or maintains its shape pretty well on its own. I do prune after each flush but not much. Any color combination in my garden is strictly coincidental. The white "flowers" are actually the wild white clover. I had some daffodils there along with some tiny larkspur that showed up unannounced. It was either leave the clover or get rid of the larkspur.

Thanks you Joanne. Perle is about 5 years old I think. It's one rose that matures gracefully (LOL). She just got larger each year and kept the mannerly shape.

Carol, thank you but I'm not a master of anything, just lucky. I do like Peggy but planting her in my garden might not have been one of the smartest decisions I've made. Just her second year and she's already acting like a bully.


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