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RE: Can You Have Two Fixture Arms for Kitchen Sink + Disposal? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: lazypup on 02.06.2010 at 09:13 pm in Plumbing Forum

What you currently have is an amateur attempt to make a very simple task complicated. While it would pass code under the IRC it is without question, unsightly, unprofessional and way too complicated.

The reason that it does not pass under UPC is simple:

UPC-1001.1 only one rap permitted on a trap arm.

Under the UPC you could install a second trap arm in the manner you propose, however if you do so you must compute the load at 3dfu for each trap. Given that the UPC limits a 2" branch line to 6dfu's you may not have any other fixture attached to that line.

The simple solution is to begin by removing and discarding the factory supplied 1/4 bend on the disposal. You then get a "Disposal Type End Waste Kit" which will have a straight cross tube with a flanged end. The flanged end is attached directly to the disposal body where the factory supplied 1/4 bend is now. This will give you a horizontal cross tube at the same elevation as the disposal discharge port, approximately 4" higher than the current cross tube.

Attach the code required "Baffled Tee" to the end of the cross tube and the tailpiece from the second sink. The P-trap is then attached to the discharge end of the Baffled Tee. (See Attached Illustration.

Previously it was mentioned that the pipe should be black. That is not correct. The IRC & UPC both approve schedule 40 PVC (White Pipe) or ABS pipe (black pipe).

The slip joint type fittings I.E. End waste kit & P-trap are generally made of polyethylene or polypropelene and either type are fine.



clipped on: 02.11.2010 at 12:15 pm    last updated on: 02.11.2010 at 12:16 pm

Finally.. almost finished pictures

posted by: shoregirl_veggie on 01.16.2010 at 07:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi All,
I'm 'almost' done! We still need a backsplash (any ideas??!!) but I really can't 'think' any more! I'm also going to call JCPenney's for custom valences over the sliders and the window in the mudroom. (That's a mudroom behind the television hutch).
I don't post too often, but I read ALL THE TIME!
Thanks to Bhuel and Rhome and so many others!
I started planning last summer when you helped me with my plan. Then, when I had issues with my hood (we ditched the wood facade and went with stainless) you were there to help. And, when I had a meltdown over the height of my bar, you were there. And,so many other times that your posts have helped me. Thank you.
This was an expansion. Unfortunately, I don't have any 'before' pictures. The original kitchen ended about in the middle of the main sink. The breakfast nook and mudroom are the new space. The expansion also included a deck.
Our contractor, who had done 3 other reno's for us, backed out at the last minute. (Remind me to tell you that story). We've known our plumber for 23 years and our electrician for 10. So, we asked them for recommendations ("If you were doing this expansion, who would you use?") We interviewed and selected the contractor quickly. We were nervous. But, it worked out great. Since we had many of our own subs, DH GC'd the job.
The mudroom has worked out great. We can enter from the garage or from the back yard and get to the bathroom without going thru the rest of the house. (Very important for backyard parties).
Some kitchen details.....
We already had the KA refrigerator, so we recessed it and built the space for an eventual wider counter depth. We need to add moldings. We also had the Miele dishwasher.
We sold our 30" Viking to the guy who did our floors and replaced with a 36" 6 burner AG and a 42" hood. Thanks to all who recommended going with the wider hood.
We bought the Marval beverage center -- love having it, just wish it got a little colder. (I've read on here that there's an adjustment that can be made. I still need to look into that.) I had bought the Advantium and wall oven last summer (it was a good online sale) and they sat in a guest bedroom for months. We were very happy that they worked when we finally installed them. I liked how the chunky handles sort of matched the Viking.
Our granite is coastal green and the cabinets are Kraft Maid Rutherford in Pecan. (We nixed the glaze to save costs and don't miss it at all.) The television hutch was custom made by a carpenter friend of ours and it's more of a cherry color. We continued the granite on the top to tie it to the cabinets.
Thanks again to all for your help.... I couldn't have gotten thru this without this forum.

Here are some pictures

Thanks again.


clipped on: 01.24.2010 at 07:17 am    last updated on: 01.24.2010 at 07:17 am

RE: Fire and Ice 2 X 2 Morena Tile-Amber (Follow-Up #36)

posted by: gozalyn on 09.16.2008 at 04:02 am in Kitchens Forum

Jodi and I have the same tiles - the quarzite brick Fire & Ice. The difference is partially due to lighting. Either my kitchen's too dark or my camera isn't good enough to take the picture without a flash. But, I think the main difference is because her countertop and cabinets are dark and she added the dark umber glass accents to her backsplash. Also, her backsplash is grouted and mine isn't yet.

I think that's the cool part of this backsplash is that it picks up the surrounding colors since it does have both dark and light colors. Since I have lighter colored counters and cabinets with brown tones, it appears to look different, but if you look closely you can see the same tiles within her backsplash.

Just to provide another reference point, check out berryberry's kitchen. One thing to note is that she used grey thinset, whereas Jodi and I used white.


clipped on: 12.31.2009 at 06:57 am    last updated on: 12.31.2009 at 06:58 am

RE: Huge refrigerator! Now I have to modify my closet - yikes! (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jodi_in_so_calif on 12.19.2009 at 02:15 am in Kitchens Forum

We had a similar situation. Our contractor said he could take the 2x4s in the wall behind the fridge and turn them sideways. That will give you an extra 2". Another thing he did was recess the wall socket so we could push the fridge right up to the wall.


clipped on: 12.21.2009 at 10:23 pm    last updated on: 12.21.2009 at 10:23 pm

RE: What's the Best Garbage Disposal (Follow-Up #26)

posted by: lascatx on 02.05.2008 at 11:17 pm in Appliances Forum

On the sink, my prep sink is a Blanco, roughly 15" square and has a rear corner sink -- or whatever corner you want. It does help keep more room open in the cabinet.

On the disposer, for the prep sink we bought a 3/4 HP Evolution Compact and love it. It is much quieter. We had an electrician here. He heard it and couldn't believe it was on. He'd just installed a disposer for another customer the day before and said he didn't know there was one that quiet. I bet he's installing the Evolution now.

We have a 1 HP under the main sink -- also an Insinkerator. It's the only thing we kept for the old kitchen, but when it goes, we'll get an Evolution. And by the way, the price above seem higher than what we saw and paid, but that was a year ago. I can't tell you how much they've changed versus how much they vary from place to place.


clipped on: 12.21.2009 at 07:46 pm    last updated on: 12.21.2009 at 07:46 pm

RE: to all liebherr refrigerator owners (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: tinasoldhouse on 05.06.2007 at 01:22 pm in Appliances Forum

We've had our 30" stainless Liebherr since 2003 and still love it. The exterior is beautiful, and the interior is perfect. No blobby plastic to waste any space. Two of our freezer drawers are always quite full, but we use the bottom drawer for bagged ice and ice cream. No problems whatsoever in four years.


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clipped on: 12.20.2009 at 04:55 pm    last updated on: 12.20.2009 at 04:56 pm

do you seal black pearl granite?

posted by: jamaraz on 11.14.2009 at 03:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have heard that black granite does not need to be sealed. I've read on the internet that it is too hard of a surface for the sealer to penetrate. The sealer will leave a filmy surface on the granite. I've been tile shopping and have posed the question to the tile experts. They all looked at me like I had 3 heads and said you have to absolutely seal all granites and stones. I'm happy to seal my granite if it is warranted but I don't want to make a mistake with my granite.



clipped on: 12.18.2009 at 07:27 am    last updated on: 12.18.2009 at 07:27 am

RE: How much gap between top of fridge and over-fridge cabinet/tr (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: buehl on 12.13.2009 at 06:03 pm in Kitchens Forum

This is what we did:

The filler is a tad more than 4-1/4" tall. There is also about 1/2" b/w the filler and the refrigerator.

The crown molding matches the molding on the rest of the upper cabinets in the kitchen.

Actually, if I had realize the gap was going to be so tall, I would have gotten a cabinet 2" or 3" taller so I'd have that much less filler b/w the refrigerator & cabinet.

I think 2" is probably plenty of room for expansion.


clipped on: 12.14.2009 at 03:28 pm    last updated on: 12.14.2009 at 03:28 pm

RE: Those with Black Granite Countertops? (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: jodi_in_so_calif on 10.16.2009 at 01:36 am in Kitchens Forum

Granite is Impala Black. Backsplash is Jeffrey Court Pietra Opus Quartz Brick Fire & Ice.


clipped on: 12.06.2009 at 07:59 am    last updated on: 12.06.2009 at 07:59 am

RE: Black Pearl Granite (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: bixa525 on 11.08.2009 at 08:48 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have black pearl and it was sealed from the inside out was what they told us. Here is a pic, ignore country curtain above sink as it is no longer there.



clipped on: 11.28.2009 at 07:45 am    last updated on: 11.28.2009 at 07:45 am

RE: Cherrywood kitchen... need advice please. (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: jodi_in_so_calif on 10.28.2009 at 09:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

We have cherry cabinets with Black Impala also.



clipped on: 11.24.2009 at 08:13 am    last updated on: 11.24.2009 at 08:14 am

RE: Solid Surface Fabricators NH or MA Metrowest/Northshore (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: boxerpups on 10.30.2009 at 08:22 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi Honkdm,

BFR did our granite coutners. They are awesome! I know you
are looking at corian solid surface. I would check them

best of luck,


clipped on: 11.24.2009 at 07:41 am    last updated on: 11.24.2009 at 07:41 am

Anyone know what wood Honeydiy's Medallion cabinets are in FKB?

posted by: mitri89 on 10.15.2009 at 04:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'd love to know what wood(maple? or cherry?) honeydiy's cabinets are in her beautiful finished kitchen. On the Finished Kitchens Blog it says they are Medallion, Brookhill F2, Chestnut Stain but doesn't say what wood type. Does someone know, or can you tell by looking? My eyes are not that good at distinguishing the different types. I'd really appreciate any help.

Hope it's okay to post some pics of her kitchen here, so I can hopefully find out.:-)



clipped on: 11.24.2009 at 06:57 am    last updated on: 11.24.2009 at 06:58 am