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owners of kitchens with stone tile floors -- do you like them?

posted by: egganddart49 on 05.29.2008 at 10:56 pm in Kitchens Forum

I"m still having a hard time deciding between porcelain tile that's made to look like rough stone, and a real marble that's been tumbled or something. It's not Carrara, it's a pretty uniform color, a very pale taupey off-white. I love the way it looks, tho someone less obsessed with details might not see a big difference between the two.

But I've sometimes gotten stung because of this fixation on the tree and not seeing the forest. One disadvantage of stone is that it's colder (I have limestone in one bathroom and porcelain in another. There's a big difference.)

I'm looking for something that will look time-worn, but not "just dirty". There's probably a fine line there and it depends on how you see it. I love old stone cathedral floors, but in a house of course you don't want it to stand out as being ugly. If it gets worn down in places or etched, that's OK. If dirt and stains get into the fine depressions in it, I think it'll start to look bad tho. I have a small slab of honed Carrara next to my sink and it's never gotten stained. So I'm not worried about the floor staining.

SO! Those of you with real stone tile (which stone is it? Marble is harder than travertine is harder than limestone) haw do you like it? If it's a lot of maintenance, what kind and how often? What are the downsides you've experienced after living with it for a few years?

The tile store guy says he just doesn't like stone in a kitchen b/c of staining and "maintenance", but I'm not sure if he was pitching his porcelain.

Thanks for reading this and responding!


clipped on: 05.30.2008 at 02:08 pm    last updated on: 05.30.2008 at 02:08 pm

Pantry Shelf Advice, Please

posted by: trudymom on 05.29.2008 at 11:12 am in Kitchens Forum

New construction, carpenter needs to know how we want our pantry shelves. Anything you are glad you did, or wish you had done. I'd love to know your perfect height and depth of shelves. Pictures??

Thank you!


clipped on: 05.29.2008 at 01:33 pm    last updated on: 05.29.2008 at 01:33 pm

Sticker shock on cabinets

posted by: joebayarea on 05.20.2008 at 10:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

Just got my quote today from the kitchen cabinet store,
and the estimate was for 28K. This seems high to us.
It's the Alectra line by Dura Supreme. Apparently,
they took list price with a 10 percent discount.
Does this seem fair? It's a good number of
cabinets, but in my last kitchen remodel in my former
house, the cabinets were of similar quality and only 12K.
Does it pay to shop around?


clipped on: 05.21.2008 at 10:15 am    last updated on: 05.21.2008 at 10:15 am

Cabinet Hardware

posted by: cpccarolyn_2008 on 04.20.2008 at 09:19 am in Kitchens Forum

Anyone familiar with Dynasty Hardware and the quality of their
knobs and pulls? Thanks.


clipped on: 05.09.2008 at 11:06 am    last updated on: 05.09.2008 at 11:06 am

websites for light fixtures?

posted by: kemmc23 on 05.08.2008 at 08:16 am in Kitchens Forum

Any great websites to purchase light fixtures? I am looking for a light over the island, as well as a light for over our kitchen table.



clipped on: 05.09.2008 at 09:43 am    last updated on: 05.09.2008 at 09:43 am

Calling those of you who have plugmolds

posted by: mrs_tlc on 05.06.2008 at 07:52 pm in Kitchens Forum

I first saw these in Nuccia's finished pics and was thrilled because we were having a tough time deciding what to do with the backsplash outlets. DH is getting ready to take out the old outlets and I suddenly thought I should ask you all..... how do you like using the plugmolds????? Are they awkward to plug things into?? An interior designer friend of mine had never seen them before and said she thought it would look weird to have the plugs going up to the plugmolds.


clipped on: 05.07.2008 at 11:44 am    last updated on: 05.07.2008 at 11:44 am

CD Refrigerator measurement...confused

posted by: mominthedubc on 05.01.2008 at 07:06 pm in Kitchens Forum

I will post this on the Appliance and Kitchen Forum. We cannot afford a Built-in refrigerator so thought we would compromise by getting a 36" CD instead. Wish they made 42", but it doesn't look like they do in a CD. Anyway, when looking at the specs, a CD is usually 30" w/ handles and a cabinet depth is 24". So how do you make it flush with the counters and cabinets? Hope this isn't a really stupid question, but it doesn't seem cabinet depth to me.

Thanks for your help.


clipped on: 05.02.2008 at 10:39 am    last updated on: 05.02.2008 at 10:39 am

how to install soapstsone?

posted by: fausonk on 04.29.2008 at 01:52 pm in Kitchens Forum

Seems I remember many months ago finding a step-by-step on how to install soapstone on this forum, but I can't seem to find it now.

Does anyone have a link to that? Or can someone provide me the steps for doing it properly? We have soapstone being installed (finally!) on Thursday, and this place mostly does granite, and I just want to be sure they're doing it right.



clipped on: 04.29.2008 at 02:48 pm    last updated on: 04.29.2008 at 02:59 pm

Things I would NOT recommend or things I dislike!

posted by: mominthedubc on 04.27.2008 at 01:28 pm in Kitchens Forum

There is a subject on this forum of things people LOVE about their kitchens which has been very helpful. But, I was hoping we could just cut to the chase and have people tell us things they would definitely recommend AGAINST purchasing. I have been taking detailed notes of appliances etc. that people love but would appreciate being spared the agony of choosing something that is awful. So, if you unfortunately have found out the hard way and could share those things you "HATE", that would be so helpful. Thanks.


clipped on: 04.29.2008 at 01:55 pm    last updated on: 04.29.2008 at 01:55 pm

DIY soapstone drainboard, phew!

posted by: staticfritz on 04.25.2008 at 03:31 pm in Kitchens Forum

well, this took long enough, but I'm really really happy with the results. the following are the step-by step photos of all the work to do the cutout for my farm sink and a drainboard in the soapstone. I was originally going to do runnels, but decided that cleaning them would be a pain, and I would probably be more likely to mess up the fabrication.

The sink surround pieces before:

routed and polished edge for one side

using a jig to cut, row by row, the drainboard with a diamond circular blade saw

Using a belt sander to smooth

checking the fit

more smoothing

starting to look like something

wet sanding

glued in place, sanding the joints

faucet hole

lining it all up

drainboard closeup



clipped on: 04.27.2008 at 07:21 am    last updated on: 04.27.2008 at 07:21 am

Foot Pedal for Framed Trash Cabinets

posted by: sail-away on 02.09.2008 at 06:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

I've done a search here, as well as on Google (for this domain), and I cannot find any instructions for how to install the foot pedal control for a trash cabinet that is framed, rather than frameless. I've seen a few references to the fact that the pedals are designed for the frameless cabinets and that someone figured out how to use them with framed cabinets; but I can't find the actual information. Can anyone help?


clipped on: 04.17.2008 at 03:08 pm    last updated on: 04.17.2008 at 03:08 pm

Best advice from this forum

posted by: justadncr on 07.14.2007 at 08:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

I was just thinking about what all I have learned from this forum and was trying to think of what was the most valuable advice.

I really think it was the advice to actually lay the kitchen out on the ground outside with all the measurements and walk around it to see if it felt right.
For me it was much better than plans on paper. I took my measurements and scraps of wood and laid them out in the various plans I had come up with.

My husband thought I was crazy standing out there pretending I was cooking and getting stuff out of the frig and such.

Of course I learned many, many more things but this helped the most.
What about you all?


clipped on: 04.11.2008 at 04:46 pm    last updated on: 04.11.2008 at 04:46 pm

Please explain the pros & cons of internal/inline/remote blowers.

posted by: cpanther95 on 03.29.2008 at 02:20 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm planning on a Wolf Pro Chimney Hood (42"). Initially I planned on using a remote blower thinking that common sense would dictate that the further away the blower, the less noise in the kitchen.

I've been told that the vast majority of noise comes from the airflow, not the blower itself, so the location of the blower isn't really significant. I figured I'd go with the remote blower anyway - better safe than sorry.

However, in reading the spec sheet, they (Wolf) indicate that the combination of a short duct run and a remopte blower can lead to an increase in noise. Now I'm not sure which option is best.

The duct will be heading up for about 3 feet, make a 90 degree turn and head horizontally through the top of my pantry for only about 6 feet before popping out the side of a brick wall to the outside.

Internal, inline and remote are all options as far as space goes. What are the pros/cons of each? If inline and remote aren't "better" why do they offer anything but internal?


clipped on: 03.30.2008 at 04:27 pm    last updated on: 03.30.2008 at 04:27 pm

What molding do you have on craftsman/shaker style cabinets?

posted by: aussies on 03.30.2008 at 03:55 am in Kitchens Forum

I'm looking for ideas on what kind of molding to put on top of shaker cabinets. We have been tossing up between going with 36'' uppers with molding or 42'' cabs without. I really would prefer to have molding, but 6'' of molding to reach the ceiling seems like quite a lot, especially for such a simple door style. I would love to find a way to make it work though.

Please share your pictures of your cabinets with (or without) molding ... close up pics of your molding would be even better! (unless you have 39'' cabinets ... that will just give me 39-inch-envy LOL)



clipped on: 03.30.2008 at 04:25 pm    last updated on: 03.30.2008 at 04:25 pm

Pls help list popular cabinet companies alphabetically

posted by: starpooh on 03.30.2008 at 03:56 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm trying to put together an alphabetized list of all the popular cabinet companies for an updated FKB checklist. It would include about 30-35 of the companies most-used by members of this forum.

I'll start.
(Please copy the previous list then insert your entry/entries alphabetically. Thank you!)

Crown Point
Quality Custom Cabinetry (QCC)


clipped on: 03.30.2008 at 04:17 pm    last updated on: 03.30.2008 at 04:17 pm

Soapstone DIY finally complete!

posted by: don_chuwish on 03.23.2008 at 04:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

Friday night I was amazed to find myself putting the final piece of backsplash on. Saturday was spent mostly cleaning up and putting things away.
Thanks to everyone who has posted info that I read or answered direct questions, this forum has been invaluable. Now it's my turn to reciprocate. I don't pretend to be a pro or any kind of expert, but I hope this helps from a DIY standpoint.
I'll link a few pictures in this posting, but you can see the whole gallery on Photobucket, each picture has comments and between them they pretty much tell the story. Album is here:

Some teaser images:

Various parts of my story in progress have been posted in other threads, but I'll try to mention some key points here.
We were very interested in keeping cost down, so the DIY option with soapstone was wonderful to discover. A quality granite or Silestone install would have been triple the cost.
We went to M. Teixeira in N.J. and picked our slabs. If I had it to do over I would NOT have chosen two side by side slabs. The vein patterns are too similar and end up repeating each other in our kitchen. Out of 4-5 side by side slabs I'd take the 1st and last, for example.
When planning how the slabs will be cut, I'd suggest the backsplash pieces be taken from exactly the same spot as the counter they will sit on later, so that the veins and everything match.
Black epoxy was best for 99% of the seams in our install, but where it crossed a white vein I had to make some corrections - digging the black out with a Dremel and replacing with "Instant Install 29" epoxy, which cures to a translucent white. The Instant Install 29 is great to work with, 14 minute working time and then it suddenly hardens up, locking things into place. You can sand it 15 minutes later (thus the name, 14+15=29). It can be tinted to match the stone too. 5 minute epoxies are too fast for big seams I think.
Make sure your cabinet tops are a perfectly even plain, 6' long levels help. Shim any and all gaps - none of mine were more than 1/16". Then get a bead of caulk on the cabinet tops before resting the stone on them. This just makes for perfectly even support all around. We used bottle jacks to lift the stone up a few inches, caulk under it, then set it back down gently.
Doing the caulk and a seam at the same time is daunting, but the caulk has a long setup time, so it works out OK. You can slide the stone over an inch to close the seam after buttering on the epoxy. Jam it as tight as possible to make a thin seam. Most important for a good looking seam is to have the two stones perfectly aligned - any height difference will have to be fixed by sanding one down to match the other.
Diamond cutting and shaping tools are great. They cut the harder parts of the stone just as well as the soft parts, which makes for nice straight lines and even surfaces. A diamond grit drum on an angle grinder is great for shaping the edge of a sink cutout, for example. Regular sandpaper drums don't do as well.
The dust from cutting and shaping is amazing, wait till it's warm and do as much outside as possible. If you can't, like me, then get a good fine particle dust filter for your shop-vac and always attach a collection hose to the tool, or have someone hold the hose right at your cut. It makes a huge difference.
When cutting you need to support the stone underneath, so it won't fall away and break off before the cut is done. I had 1/2" thick styrofoam sheets available, but thick rubber mats from Costco would work too. The photo album shows a good example of this in practice.
For final sanding I tried a million things. What worked best on the flat areas (to clean up seams) was a 5" wet sanding pad on a dual action polisher at its lowest speed. I used a Porter-Cable 7336. Sanding pads were 240 and 400 grit. For a backer pad I used a flexible one made for car buffing, rigid pads were too hard to handle. For product specifics, see my other post on this topic. Edges can be sanded with a good hand block and wet sandpaper. The highest grit with any benefit I found to be 400. Others may stop at 220 or 340 - just a matter of preference.
I feel like there's a million things to say but this has rambled on enough. Happy to answer questions and add details in follow up posts. But if you're looking for tips, please do check out the full Photo bucket album. There's 80 images covering every step of the way.

Thanks again everyone and happy Easter!


clipped on: 03.24.2008 at 11:26 pm    last updated on: 03.24.2008 at 11:26 pm

Inspiration pix--where do you get them?

posted by: kelleg on 03.19.2008 at 04:38 pm in Kitchens Forum

Where do you get inspiration? I have about every magazine known to man. I am constantly looking on the internet for portfolios and photo galleries. Does anyone have a great source? I like traditional kitchens. I know I want white cabinets, but am looking for that perfect kitchen (I am sure I will probably meld lots together). Anyway, any great sites would be very helpful.



clipped on: 03.24.2008 at 02:43 pm    last updated on: 03.24.2008 at 02:44 pm

RE: Urgent help needed selecting granite color for Maple Honey Sp (Follow-Up #13)

posted by: sheilaaus122 on 03.23.2008 at 10:17 am in Kitchens Forum

This morning I saw amcofar's post in another backsplash thread. If you go to this site, you can get some help to see what it will look like. (you select the cabinet color, the granite etc). I STILL think it will look great, but maybe this will help you out.

Here is a link that might be useful: some visualization help


Visualization Studio
clipped on: 03.24.2008 at 10:32 am    last updated on: 03.24.2008 at 10:32 am