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Container soils and water in containers III

posted by: jdwhitaker on 02.24.2007 at 01:29 am in Container Gardening Forum

We've worn out two threads in less that two years since Al's original post. Let's keep the discussion going...

CONTAINER SOILS AND WATER IN CONTAINERS
Posted by tapla z5b-6a MI (My Page) on Sat, Mar 19, 05 at 15:57

The following is very long & will be too boring for some to wade through. Two years ago, some of my posts got people curious & they started to e-mail me about soil problems. The "Water Movement" article is an answer I gave in an e-mail. I saved it and adapted it for my bonsai club newsletter & it was subsequently picked up & used by a number of other clubs. I now give talks on container soils and the physics of water movement in containers to area clubs.
I think, as container gardeners, our first priority is to insure aeration for the life of the soil. Since aeration and drainage are inversely linked to soil particle size, it makes good sense to try to find a soil component with particles larger than peat and that will retain its structure for extended periods. Pine bark fits the bill nicely.

The following hits pretty hard against the futility of using a drainage layer in an attempt to improve drainage. It just doesn't work. All it does is reduce the soil available for root colonization. A wick will remove the saturated layer of soil. It works in reverse of the self-watering pots widely being discussed on this forum now. I have no experience with these growing containers, but understand the principle well.

There are potential problems with wick watering that can be alleviated with certain steps. Watch for yellowing leaves with these pots. If they begin to occur, you need to flush the soil well. It is the first sign of chloride damage.

One of the reasons I posted this is because of the number of soil questions I'm getting in my mail. It will be a convenient source for me to link to. I will soon be in the middle of repotting season & my time here will be reduced, unfortunately, for me. I really enjoy all the friends I've made on these forums. ;o)

Since there are many questions about soils appropriate for containers, I'll post by basic mix in case any would like to try it. It will follow the Water Movement info.

Water Movement in Soils

Consider this if you will:

Soil need fill only a few needs in plant culture. Anchorage - A place for roots to extend, securing the plant and preventing it from toppling. Nutrient Sink - It must retain sufficient nutrients to sustain plant systems. Gas Exchange - It must be sufficiently porous to allow air to the root system. And finally, Water - It must retain water enough in liquid and/or vapor form to sustain plants between waterings. Most plants could be grown without soil as long as we can provide air, nutrients, and water, (witness hydroponics). Here, I will concentrate primarily on the movement of water in soil(s).

There are two forces that cause water movement through soil - one is gravity, the other capillary action. Gravity needs little explanation, but for this writing I would like to note: Gravitational flow potential (GFP) is greater for water at the top of the pot than it is for water at the bottom of the pot. I'll return to that later. Capillarity is a function of the natural forces of adhesion and cohesion. Adhesion is water's tendency to stick to solid objects like soil particles and the sides of the pot. Cohesion is the tendency for water to stick to itself. Cohesion is why we often find water in droplet form - because cohesion is at times stronger than adhesion, water’s bond to itself can be stronger than the bond to the object it might be in contact with; in this condition it forms a drop. Capillary action is in evidence when we dip a paper towel in water. The water will soak into the towel and rise several inches above the surface of the water. It will not drain back into the source. It will stop rising when the GFP equals the capillary attraction of the fibers in the paper.

There is, in every pot, what is called a "perched water table" (PWT). This is water that occupies a layer of soil that is always saturated & will not drain at the bottom of the pot. It can evaporate or be used by the plant, but physical forces will not allow it to drain. It is there because the capillary pull of the soil at some point will equal the GFP; therefore, the water does not drain, it is "perched". If we fill five cylinders of varying heights and diameters with the same soil mix and provide each cylinder with a drainage hole, the PWT will be exactly the same height in each container. This is the area of the pot where roots seldom penetrate & where root problems begin due to a lack of aeration. From this we can draw the conclusion that: Tall growing containers are a superior choice over squat containers when using the same soil mix. The reason: The level of the PWT will be the same in each container, with the taller container providing more usable, air holding soil above the PWT. Physiology dictates that plants must be able to take in air at the roots in order to complete transpiration and photosynthesis.

A given volume of large soil particles have less overall surface area in comparison to the same volume of small particles and therefore less overall adhesive attraction to water. So, in soils with large particles, GFP more readily overcomes capillary attraction. They drain better. We all know this, but the reason, often unclear, is that the PWT is lower in coarse soils than in fine soils. The key to good drainage is size and uniformity of soil particles. Large particles mixed with small particles will not improve drainage because the smaller particles fit between the large, increasing surface area which increases the capillary attraction and thus the water holding potential. Water and air cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Contrary to what some hold to be true, sand does not improve drainage. Pumice (aka lava rock), or one of the hi-fired clay products like Turface are good additives which help promote drainage and porosity because of their irregular shape.

Now to the main point: When we use a coarse drainage layer under our soil, it does not improve drainage. It does conserve on the volume of soil required to fill a pot and it makes the pot lighter. When we employ this exercise in an attempt to improve drainage, what we are actually doing is moving the level of the PWT higher in the pot. This reduces available soil for roots to colonize, reduces total usable pot space, and limits potential for beneficial gas exchange. Containers with uniform soil particle size from top of container to bottom will yield better drainage and have a lower PWT than containers with drainage layers. The coarser the drainage layer, the more detrimental to drainage it is because water is more (for lack of a better scientific word) reluctant to make the downward transition because the capillary pull of the soil above the drainage layer is stronger than the GFP. The reason for this is there is far more surface area in the soil for water to be attracted to than there is in the drainage layer.

I know this goes against what most have thought to be true, but the principle is scientifically sound, and experiments have shown it as so. Many nurserymen are now employing the pot-in-pot or the pot-in-trench method of growing to capitalize on the science.

If you discover you need to increase drainage, insert a wick into the pot & allow it to extend from the PWT to several inches below the bottom of the pot. This will successfully eliminate the PWT & give your plants much more soil to grow in as well as allow more, much needed air to the roots.

Uniform size particles of fir, hemlock or pine bark are excellent as the primary component of your soils. The lignin contained in bark keeps it rigid and the rigidity provides air-holding pockets in the root zone far longer than peat or compost mixes that rapidly break down to a soup-like consistency. Bark also contains suberin, a lipid sometimes referred to as nature’s preservative. Suberin is what slows the decomposition of bark-based soils. It contains highly varied hydrocarbon chains and the microorganisms that turn peat to soup have great difficulty cleaving these chains.

In simple terms: Plants that expire because of drainage problems either die of thirst because the roots have rotted and can no longer take up water, or they starve to death because they cannot obtain sufficient air at the root zone for the respiratory or photosynthetic processes.

To confirm the existence of the PWT and the effectiveness of using a wick to remove it, try this experiment: Fill a soft drink cup nearly full of garden soil. Add enough water to fill to the top, being sure all soil is saturated. Punch a drain hole in the bottom of the cup & allow to drain. When the drainage stops, insert a wick several inches up into the drain hole . Take note of how much additional water drains. This is water that occupied the PWT before being drained by the wick. A greatly simplified explanation of what occurs is: The wick "fools" the water into thinking the pot is deeper, so water begins to move downward seeking the "new" bottom of the pot, pulling the rest of the PWT along with it.

Having applied these principles in the culture of my containerized plants, both indoors and out, for many years, the methodology I have adopted has shown to be effective and of great benefit to them. I use many amendments when building my soils, but the basic building process starts with screened bark and perlite. Peat usually plays a very minor role in my container soils because it breaks down rapidly and when it does, it impedes drainage.

My Soil

I'll give two recipes. I usually make big batches.

3 parts pine bark fines
1 part sphagnum peat (not reed or sedge peat)
1-2 parts perlite
garden lime
controlled release fertilizer
micro-nutrient powder (substitute: small amount of good, composted manure

Big batch:

3 cu ft pine bark fines (1 big bag)
5 gallons peat
5 gallons perlite
1 cup lime (you can add more to small portion if needed)
2 cups CRF
1/2 cup micro-nutrient powder or 1 gal composted manure

Small batch:

3 gallons pine bark
1/2 gallon peat
1/2 gallon perlite
handful lime (careful)
1/4 cup CRF
1 tsp micro-nutrient powder or a dash of manure ;o)

I have seen advice that some highly organic soils are productive for up to 5 years. I disagree. Even if you were to substitute fir bark for pine bark in this recipe (and this recipe will far outlast any peat based soil) you should only expect a maximum of three years life before a repot is in order. Usually perennials, including trees (they're perennials too, you know ;o)) should be repotted more frequently to insure vigor closer to genetic potential. If a soil is desired that will retain structure for long periods, we need to look to inorganic amendments. Some examples are crushed granite, pea stone, coarse sand (no smaller than BB size in containers, please), Haydite, lava rock, Turface or Schultz soil conditioner.

I hope this starts a good exchange of ideas & opinions so we all can learn.

Al

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clipped on: 05.05.2007 at 10:21 am    last updated on: 05.05.2007 at 10:22 am

RE: Help for parched figs using pine-bark potting mix (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: mountainman0826 on 04.24.2006 at 05:45 pm in Fig Forum

Hi, Sherry,

Regarding Al's "bonsai-influenced" fig potting soil, the ingredient that you do not mention is Turface baked clay granules (I think another name for the granules is haydite.) The granules are sold by some landscape concerns and are used for playing surfaces on baseball diamonds among other things. The baked clay granules hold water and nutrients. Adding more peat will also help to hold water, at least temporarily, as some of the peat will eventually wash out of the mixture. Following is a recipe that I calculated based on a discussion Al and I had last year.

Soil Recipe for Figs

3 Parts Pine Fines (2 cu. ft.) = about 12.9 dry gallons

1 Part Turface (.66 cu. ft.) = about 4.3 dry gallons

1 Part Perlite (.66 cu. ft.) = about 4.3 dry gallons

1 Cup of Powdered Dolomitic Lime

Osmocote 13-13-13 Fertilizer (1 cup = 244 g., 28 g.= 1 oz.) – Recommended Application Rate for medium sensitive nursery stock is 6.5 oz./cu. ft. = 182 g./cu. ft. 182 g/cu. ft. x 3.32 cu. ft. = 604.24 g. total = about 2.5 cups of 13-13-13 per batch of 3.32 cu. ft.

Scott’s Micromax Micronutrients- Recommended Application Rate for nursery stock/pot plants is 1 oz. (about 30 g.)/cu. ft. (1 oz. = about 4 level teaspoons.) 3.32 cu. ft. x 30 g./cu. ft. = 99.6 g. or 12.4 level teaspoons or slightly over 4 level tablespoons per batch of 3.32 cu. ft.

(Volume of Soil Batch is about 3.32 cu. ft. or about 21.3 gallons – I mix it in a large wheelbarrow.)
1 cu ft. = 6.4285 US dry gallons

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clipped on: 05.02.2007 at 11:37 am    last updated on: 05.02.2007 at 11:37 am

RE: Spacing of fig trees in ground (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: mountainman0826 on 11.02.2006 at 12:58 am in Fig Forum

When I first began to collect figs a few years ago, I originally planted my figs about 25 ft. apart. I chose that spacing based on some of the recommendations in the literature as well as the size of the one fairly mature fig tree I had at the time. After my fig collection began growing like kudzu(!), I decided that I really didn't want to take up an acre or two of space with the collection, so I began planting fig varieties at the smallest spacing that I thought might allow me to evaluate the fig varieties and enjoy them for a reasonable number of years with moderate but not draconian pruning. I have planted about 50 varieties on approximately a 12-13 ft. spacing. Time will tell whether or not I have chosen wisely. If I was planting for the long haul and space was not an issue, I think that 20-25 ft. is about right. If the goal is for each tree to be as vigorous as possible, then the wide area over which fig roots spread probably make 12 or 13 ft. spacing too close in the long run. The key to making closely spaced fig plantings work is pruning, I think. All but the most rampantly growing varieties can probably be kept to a reasonable size for decades. Pruning so many fig trees every year is going to be quite a chore, though!

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clipped on: 04.24.2007 at 09:41 am    last updated on: 04.24.2007 at 09:41 am

When to harvest garlic?

posted by: Glenn9643 on 05.11.2005 at 11:57 am in Allium Forum

Last fall I bought and set out a variety of garlics:
Music - 6 hills
Chinese Pink - 12 hills
Shantung Purple - 14 hills
Lorz Italian - 12 hills
Creole Red - 33 hills
Ajo Rojo Creole - 40 hills
Spanish Morado Creole - 34 hills
Mother of Pearl - 45 hills
Burgundy Creole - 60 hills
Xian - 30 hills

The Xian, Chinese Pink, Shantung Purple, Creole Red, Ajo Rojo Creole, Spanish Morado Creole, and Burgundy Creole were noticeably turning brown the past several days so I've started trying to determine if they're ready to harvest.
I read that the Xian is very early maturing and should be harvested when it starts to turn brown so I dug them and they seem to have done pretty well.
I've also read that the Chinese Pink is an early maturing variety and will probably dig one to check.
All that I can find regarding the Shantung Purple, Creole Red, Ajo Rojo Creole, Spanish Morado Creole, and Burgundy Creole indicates "mid-late" maturing, but the leaves look about like the Xian and Chinese Pink.
Would they perhaps be mature earlier because of our growing season here in Z8?
Because of my limited quantities of the various varieties I don't want to disturb them too early and lose that plant. We'll evaluate the different varieties after harvest and decide what we want to keep for next year... Thanks.

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clipped on: 04.14.2007 at 08:09 am    last updated on: 04.14.2007 at 08:09 am

Any N. Louisiana Creole garlic growers here?

posted by: Glenn9643 on 05.18.2005 at 05:45 pm in Allium Forum


On May 11 I found the my Xian was ready to dig, and today I dug my Chinese Pink, Shantung Purple, and Lorz Italian. This will probably be the last year for the Lorz Italian but the others I've dug produced decent bulbs overall.
I have Music - 6 hills, Siberian - 7 hills, Mother of Pearl - 45 hills, Creole Red - 33 hills, Ajo Rojo Creole - 40 hills, Spanish Morado Creole - 34 hills, Burgundy Creole - 60 hills that aren't ready.
The Music, Siberian, and Mother of Pearl are green and appear to still be growing, although I have had a few scapes.
Judging from the foliage I would think my creole varieties were ready, but all bulbs are very small... 1" or so on those I've checked. The leaves and stems are browned up like grass that had been sprayed with roundup four or five days. I was under the impression that the creoles thrived in the deep south, but maybe I'm not deep enough? Are there any special things that creole varieties require? All of these varieties were set out at the same time in the same raised bed last November.

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clipped on: 04.14.2007 at 08:04 am    last updated on: 04.14.2007 at 08:04 am

Nobody talkin' bout diggin' garlic yet!

posted by: glenn9643 on 05.03.2006 at 07:48 pm in Allium Forum

I'll be first (to talk about it anyway).
Dug my Xian, Chinese Pink, and Shantung Purple today, and was pleased with the improvement over last year. Had about 35 hills of each and there were only a few bulbs smaller than 1-1/4", with most 2" or larger. I think next year I'll increase my spacing from 6" to 8" at least, as I noticed all the larger bulbs' roots were interlocked with the adjoing ones. Looking back at my old posts, I dug these varieties on 11 May last year. Seems like this year the size is better and they have better wrappers so maybe they'll keep better.
Still have Music (about 50 hills), Lorz Italian (18 hills), Siberian (about 65 hills), and about 35 hills each of Ajo Rojo Creole, Creole Red, Burgundy Creole, and Spanish Morado Creole. I'm guessing at least another month on these from how they look today.

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clipped on: 04.14.2007 at 07:58 am    last updated on: 04.14.2007 at 07:58 am

RE: Nobody talkin' bout diggin' garlic yet! (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: glenn9643 on 05.25.2006 at 08:49 am in Allium Forum

The Music was a total loss; guess it just won't take this climate. The Siberian didn't do much either. There were a lot of rotted bulbs in both, and those not rotted didn't develop well. I may try a few hills of the Siberian again as I really like the large cloves when it does develop as it should.
Lorz Italian and Ajo Rojo Creole seemed to grow off better than last year. I'll dig the Creole Red, Burgundy Creole, and Spanish Morado Creole today.

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clipped on: 04.14.2007 at 07:57 am    last updated on: 04.14.2007 at 07:57 am

Container soils and water in containers (long post)

posted by: tapla on 03.19.2005 at 03:57 pm in Container Gardening Forum

The following is very long & will be too boring for some to wade through. Two years ago, some of my posts got people curious & they started to e-mail me about soil problems. The "Water Movement" article is an answer I gave in an e-mail. I saved it and adapted it for my bonsai club newsletter & it was subsequently picked up & used by a number of other clubs. I now give talks on container soils and the physics of water movement in containers to area clubs.

I think, as container gardeners, our first priority is to insure aeration for the life of the soil. Since aeration and drainage are inversely linked to soil particle size, it makes good sense to try to find a soil component with particles larger than peat and that will retain its structure for extended periods. Pine bark fits the bill nicely.

The following hits pretty hard against the futility of using a drainage layer in an attempt to improve drainage. It just doesn't work. All it does is reduce the soil available for root colonization. A wick will remove the saturated layer of soil. It works in reverse of the self-watering pots widely being discussed on this forum now. I have no experience with these growing containers, but understand the principle well.

There are potential problems with wick watering that can be alleviated with certain steps. Watch for yellowing leaves with these pots. If they begin to occur, you need to flush the soil well. It is the first sign of chloride damage.

One of the reasons I posted this is because of the number of soil questions I'm getting in my mail. It will be a convenient source for me to link to. I will soon be in the middle of repotting season & my time here will be reduced, unfortunately, for me. I really enjoy all the friends I've made on these forums. ;o)

Since there are many questions about soils appropriate for containers, I'll post by basic mix in case any would like to try it. It will follow the Water Movement info.

Water Movement in Soils

Consider this if you will:

Soil need fill only a few needs in plant culture. Anchorage - A place for roots to extend, securing the plant and preventing it from toppling. Nutrient Sink - It must retain sufficient nutrients to sustain plant systems. Gas Exchange - It must be sufficiently porous to allow air to the root system. And finally, Water - It must retain water enough in liquid and/or vapor form to sustain plants between waterings. Most plants could be grown without soil as long as we can provide air, nutrients, and water, (witness hydroponics). Here, I will concentrate primarily on the movement of water in soil(s).

There are two forces that cause water movement through soil - one is gravity, the other capillary action. Gravity needs little explanation, but for this writing I would like to note: Gravitational flow potential (GFP) is greater for water at the top of the pot than it is for water at the bottom of the pot. I'll return to that later. Capillarity is a function of the natural forces of adhesion and cohesion. Adhesion is water's tendency to stick to solid objects like soil particles and the sides of the pot. Cohesion is the tendency for water to stick to itself. Cohesion is why we often find water in droplet form - because cohesion is at times stronger than adhesion, water’s bond to itself can be stronger than the bond to the object it might be in contact with; in this condition it forms a drop. Capillary action is in evidence when we dip a paper towel in water. The water will soak into the towel and rise several inches above the surface of the water. It will not drain back into the source. It will stop rising when the GFP equals the capillary attraction of the fibers in the paper.

There is, in every pot, what is called a "perched water table" (PWT). This is water that occupies a layer of soil that is always saturated & will not drain at the bottom of the pot. It can evaporate or be used by the plant, but physical forces will not allow it to drain. It is there because the capillary pull of the soil at some point will equal the GFP; therefore, the water does not drain, it is "perched". If we fill five cylinders of varying heights and diameters with the same soil mix and provide each cylinder with a drainage hole, the PWT will be exactly the same height in each container. This is the area of the pot where roots seldom penetrate & where root problems begin due to a lack of aeration. From this we can draw the conclusion that: Tall growing containers are a superior choice over squat containers when using the same soil mix. The reason: The level of the PWT will be the same in each container, with the taller container providing more usable, air holding soil above the PWT. Physiology dictates that plants must be able to take in air at the roots in order to complete transpiration and photosynthesis.

A given volume of large soil particles have less overall surface area in comparison to the same volume of small particles and therefore less overall adhesive attraction to water. So, in soils with large particles, GFP more readily overcomes capillary attraction. They drain better. We all know this, but the reason, often unclear, is that the PWT is lower in coarse soils than in fine soils. The key to good drainage is size and uniformity of soil particles. Large particles mixed with small particles will not improve drainage because the smaller particles fit between the large, increasing surface area which increases the capillary attraction and thus the water holding potential. Water and air cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Contrary to what some hold to be true, sand does not improve drainage. Pumice (aka lava rock), or one of the hi-fired clay products like Turface are good additives which help promote drainage and porosity because of their irregular shape.

Now to the main point: When we use a coarse drainage layer under our soil, it does not improve drainage. It does conserve on the volume of soil required to fill a pot and it makes the pot lighter. When we employ this exercise in an attempt to improve drainage, what we are actually doing is moving the level of the PWT higher in the pot. This reduces available soil for roots to colonize, reduces total usable pot space, and limits potential for beneficial gas exchange. Containers with uniform soil particle size from top of container to bottom will yield better drainage and have a lower PWT than containers with drainage layers. The coarser the drainage layer, the more detrimental to drainage it is because water is more (for lack of a better scientific word) reluctant to make the downward transition because the capillary pull of the soil above the drainage layer is stronger than the GFP. The reason for this is there is far more surface area in the soil for water to be attracted to than there is in the drainage layer.

I know this goes against what most have thought to be true, but the principle is scientifically sound, and experiments have shown it as so. Many nurserymen are now employing the pot-in-pot or the pot-in-trench method of growing to capitalize on the science.

If you discover you need to increase drainage, insert a wick into the pot & allow it to extend from the PWT to several inches below the bottom of the pot. This will successfully eliminate the PWT & give your plants much more soil to grow in as well as allow more, much needed air to the roots.

Uniform size particles of fir, hemlock or pine bark are excellent as the primary component of your soils. The lignin contained in bark keeps it rigid and the rigidity provides air-holding pockets in the root zone far longer than peat or compost mixes that rapidly break down to a soup-like consistency. Bark also contains suberin, a lipid sometimes referred to as nature’s preservative. Suberin is what slows the decomposition of bark-based soils. It contains highly varied hydrocarbon chains and the microorganisms that turn peat to soup have great difficulty cleaving these chains.

In simple terms: Plants that expire because of drainage problems either die of thirst because the roots have rotted and can no longer take up water, or they starve to death because they cannot obtain sufficient air at the root zone for the respiratory or photosynthetic processes.

To confirm the existence of the PWT and the effectiveness of using a wick to remove it, try this experiment: Fill a soft drink cup nearly full of garden soil. Add enough water to fill to the top, being sure all soil is saturated. Punch a drain hole in the bottom of the cup & allow to drain. When the drainage stops, insert a wick several inches up into the drain hole . Take note of how much additional water drains. This is water that occupied the PWT before being drained by the wick. A greatly simplified explanation of what occurs is: The wick "fools" the water into thinking the pot is deeper, so water begins to move downward seeking the "new" bottom of the pot, pulling the rest of the PWT along with it.

Having applied these principles in the culture of my containerized plants, both indoors and out, for many years, the methodology I have adopted has shown to be effective and of great benefit to them. I use many amendments when building my soils, but the basic building process starts with screened bark and perlite. Peat usually plays a very minor role in my container soils because it breaks down rapidly and when it does, it impedes drainage.

My Soil

I'll give two recipes. I usually make big batches.

3 parts pine bark fines
1 part sphagnum peat (not reed or sedge peat)
1-2 parts perlite
garden lime
controlled release fertilizer
micro-nutrient powder (substitute: small amount of good, composted manure

Big batch:

3 cu ft pine bark fines (1 big bag)
5 gallons peat
5 gallons perlite
1 cup lime (you can add more to small portion if needed)
2 cups CRF
1/2 cup micro-nutrient powder or 1 gal composted manure

Small batch:

3 gallons pine bark
1/2 gallon peat
1/2 gallon perlite
handful lime (careful)
1/4 cup CRF
1 tsp micro-nutrient powder or a dash of manure ;o)

I have seen advice that some highly organic soils are productive for up to 5 years. I disagree. Even if you were to substitute fir bark for pine bark in this recipe (and this recipe will far outlast any peat based soil) you should only expect a maximum of three years life before a repot is in order. Usually perennials, including trees (they're perennials too, you know ;o)) should be repotted more frequently to insure vigor closer to genetic potential. If a soil is desired that will retain structure for long periods, we need to look to inorganic amendments. Some examples are crushed granite, pea stone, coarse sand (no smaller than BB size in containers, please), Haydite, lava rock, Turface or Schultz soil conditioner.

I hope this starts a good exchange of ideas & opinions so we all can learn.

Al

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clipped on: 04.02.2007 at 08:18 am    last updated on: 04.02.2007 at 08:18 am

RE: reputable nurseries? have chance to aquire heirlooms (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: bjs496 on 12.31.2006 at 12:01 pm in Fig Forum

I don't have experience with most of these nurseries, but here is a list of retailers I have bookmarked:

Grimo Nuts: http://www.grimonut.com/section5.htm#catsec5

One Green: http://www.onegreenworld.com//index.php?cPath=1

Just Fruit: http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/Figs.htm

Mid City: http://www.midcitynursery.com/fruits/fruitdescription.htm#FIGS

Burnt Ridge: http://www.burntridgenursery.com/fruitingPlants/index_product.asp?dept=19&parent=7

Edible Landscaping: http://www.eat-it.com/Plants/Figs.htm

Raintree: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=FIGS

Rolling River: http://www.rollingrivernursery.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=20&Itemid=26

Sandy Bar: http://trees.safeshopper.com/14/cat14.htm?840

Sanhedrin: http://www.sanhedrinnursery.com/fruit_list.php?scid=7

caveat emptor,
~james

Here is a link that might be useful: Check the nurseries reputation on Garden Watchdog

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clipped on: 03.29.2007 at 10:51 am    last updated on: 03.29.2007 at 11:38 am

RE: Shiny Black Figs (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: danab_z9_la on 11.16.2006 at 08:18 pm in Fig Forum

Sorry for the delay in responding to these inquiries. I've been busy taking care of the damage two deer did to my car the other night when they decided to commit suicide.

James and anyone else interested..... you can still purchase this particular Sicilian Black variety (as well as several other varieties) directly from the grower. He has great prices. Contact James Robin at 337-407-0188. He ships anywhere in US.

Leon, I received your e-mails and responded accordingly. Thanks for your offer to send me a rooted cutting of one of your trees.

Dan

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clipped on: 03.21.2007 at 08:36 am    last updated on: 03.21.2007 at 08:37 am

 
 


 

 
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