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Finished! Transitional white marble bathroom

posted by: pipdog on 08.22.2012 at 05:47 pm in Bathrooms Forum

We finally finished the upgrade of our master bath! The bath had been remodeled within the last 7-10 years by the previous owners, but it was pretty sloppy DIY job with few too many grout lines for our taste and we didn't like the tile counters. We decided to expand into a closet and make room for a separate shower.

Truth be told, I'm a little freaked out by the maintenance of the white marble (two toddlers use this bath), but so far it seems to be holding up. We did have some funky grout issues with the shower floor (efflorescence and orange spots appearing), but they seemed to have cleared up on their own. Hopefully it won't be a maintenance nightmare. If anyone has any good cleaning tips for white marble, I'd love to hear them.

I still need some artwork for the wall above the bath and some curtains, but the room is ready for prime time, and we're so happy it's over!

Details:
Calacatta Nuevo marble from AKDO - subway in shower, hex on floors and mini-bricks in niches and backsplash
Grout - White Frost by C-Cure. We originally tried Silver Shadow by Laticrete but it was too dark so we went lighter.
Counters - Caesarstone
Duravit tub
Faucets/tub fixture: Toto
Shower fixture - Raindance by Hansgrohe
BM Light Pewter
Lights - Restoration Hardware
Cabinetry - existing, sprayed with BM White Dove
Pulls from Lowes

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clipped on: 07.30.2013 at 10:53 pm    last updated on: 07.30.2013 at 10:54 pm

RE: Large island lighting design, bigger lights? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 07.14.2013 at 10:57 pm in Kitchens Forum

So your island is 5 1/2' x 7 1/2'?

That may be hard to reach across but I'm sure you worked all that out. I would say 8" lights will be too small!

Just for reference (although we only have 2 lights) our island is 9' x 4'2" and our pendants are 18" at the widest point. Our ceilings are just 8'.

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clipped on: 07.24.2013 at 12:28 am    last updated on: 07.24.2013 at 12:28 am

Opinions needed on my hardware, please!

posted by: rkb21 on 06.28.2013 at 08:32 am in Kitchens Forum

I would really love your opinion on my hardware. I really like what I've chosen, but now I'm trying to figure out if I should do all pulls or knobs on the doors and pulls on the drawers.

A close up of the knobs/pulls and how they look on my doors:
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An idea of our space:
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Here is a photoshopped version of all pulls:
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Here is a photoshopped version of knobs/pulls:
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So, what do would you do:
1. Knobs/pulls combo
2. All pulls
3. For the desk area, would you recommend pulls on all the bottom drawers or break it up with a combo of knobs and pulls?

If I did all pulls, then I would need a knob to put on a very small drawer that is to the right of the DW or something else that would fit there. Ideas welcome!

Thanks so much for your input!!!

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clipped on: 07.01.2013 at 11:45 pm    last updated on: 07.01.2013 at 11:45 pm

The cabinets are in the house!

posted by: Gigibozo on 06.28.2013 at 12:23 pm in Kitchens Forum

They were delivered Wednesday and we are seeing them for the first time today. They take up the entire dining room and extend into the living room. So far, I am impressed! Floor goes down tomorrow. Installation begins Monday.

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clipped on: 07.01.2013 at 01:20 am    last updated on: 07.01.2013 at 01:20 am

It's here and I love it! Diamond MOP tiles.

posted by: williamsem on 06.29.2013 at 10:44 am in Kitchens Forum

I just had to share, especially with all the recent interest in MOP here. Not sure when it will be installed, but granite is coming Monday!

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RE: A(lmost)ABB (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: mpagmom on 06.13.2013 at 11:33 pm in Kitchens Forum

Check out the marble mosaics from Saltillo tile. They have a similar look to the ones you love, but they are more like $20 a sq ft. I will link below. Their US distributor is Caledonia Tile in Indianapolis, and they have reasonable shipping rates. Here is an example:

Here is a link that might be useful: Saltillo Tile marble mosaics

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clipped on: 06.13.2013 at 11:41 pm    last updated on: 06.13.2013 at 11:41 pm

Our new house is finished! My white kitchen...

posted by: nini804 on 09.22.2011 at 10:01 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Gardenweb friends!
You all have been so kind and I have learned so much from this site! I have been off-line the past month as we have been moving in to our new custom home. I joined GW this past winter, after our plans had been finalized by our architect...but I have incorporated so much from here into my finishes! We have a kitchen that is open to our breakfast room and family room, with a small butler's pantry between the kitchen and formal dining. I call the layout a "broken L with an island because I thought the architect was very cleaver to make the "corner" a little office space that also has the door to the pantry in it. This way, there is no "dead corner" in the kitchen. Maybe some people just starting could use this idea! :)

Anyway, here are the details:
Appliances: all KitchenAid, except for the Sharp MW drawer
in the island. Range is 36" dual fuel, with a
griddle.
Cabinets: Mid-Continent, maple painted white, with soft
close drawers and doors. We chose all wood
construction.
Perimeter counters: Honed Carerra marble
Island top: Dark walnut, with a mineral oil finish
Floors: 5" wide white oak, stained 75% jacobean, 24% dark
walnut.
Lighting: Pendants, Quiozel, I think. Breakfast chandy is
Overstock.com!

Things I love so far: 1. Soft close!! Love!! Although we have it on all the drawers in the house, we only did the doors on the kitchen and butler's pantry cabs. Wish we had done it everywhere.
2. KA dishwasher and range...both of these have been wonderful so far, DW is so quiet and cleans really well. Range and oven are very easy to use and have nice, consistant heat. Plus, I think very pretty! :)
3. MW drawer...so awesome, love it to pieces!
4. Under cab lights...never had these before, we have them on a dimmer, they are wonderful.
5. Walnut top...everyone who visits swoons over it...it is a wonderful, warm surface.

Things I DON'T love:
1. Fridge! Counter-depth french door is awful! We had to buy an auxiliary fridge for the garage, and I am contemplating adding a fridge drawer to the island.
2. The distance from the range wall to the island seems a scooch too big, I think it is 48". I could have moved the island a few inches closer to the range.

I will do a seperate post about my experience with honed vs. polished marble (I have polished in the master bath.) There are pros and cons to each, I have found.

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clipped on: 05.31.2013 at 03:05 pm    last updated on: 05.31.2013 at 03:17 pm

RE: How white are your white cabinets? (Follow-Up #41)

posted by: firsthouse_mp on 02.21.2013 at 09:25 pm in Kitchens Forum

BM Simply White. Reads very white but is actually a bit creamy. Loved them!

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clipped on: 05.31.2013 at 03:03 pm    last updated on: 05.31.2013 at 03:03 pm

MOP backsplash in, walls painted, all done w/ real pics soon

posted by: wi-sailorgirl on 05.31.2013 at 02:15 pm in Kitchens Forum

Whew. It's over. Took way longer than it was supposed to, but after a massive paint fest on Memorial Day to get the crown caulked and touched up and the walls painted, we're all finished. I'll take "real" pictures this weekend, but here's a quick cell phone shot of my favorite thing in the kitchen: the mother of pearl backsplash. This is where it all started for me and every decision hinged from it. I couldn't be happier with how it turned out.

This is a pic I snapped while the grout was still drying. I can't wait to show you the rest.

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clipped on: 05.31.2013 at 02:41 pm    last updated on: 05.31.2013 at 02:41 pm

Help selecting Luce Di Luna!

posted by: agentslim on 05.16.2013 at 10:49 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi All,

We've narrowed our slabs down to 3 different bundles of Luce Di Luna. Our kitchen has white shaker cabinets with pro style stainless steel appliances. I would love to hear your opinions on these 3 different slabs and why? Cheers!

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clipped on: 05.16.2013 at 10:35 pm    last updated on: 05.16.2013 at 10:36 pm

RE: what gauge stainless steel sink? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: sherilynn on 01.20.2008 at 11:32 am in Kitchens Forum

FYI: about any stainless steel sink. I recently had a huge compliment from my brother, a builder of high end homes. He was very impressed at how good my sink always looks. He is not a fan at ALL with SS. He prefers porcelain, which chips.

I asked him why he was so impressed with my sink and hates SS? It was because he has had to replace multiple high end sinks before closing because a workman or someone would have used a new homeowners SS sink and caused a 'scratch' in the bottom of the sink. The new homeowners would insist on a brand new sink before they would close.We all know that we can tolerate the damage that we do to our stuff, but not anyone else! When you spend well over a $1,000 to $1,800 for a sink, of COURSE you want it to be unblemished!

Well, I told him my 'secret' to keeping my 12" deep single basin Franke sink looking good. I've used this 'method' on ALL of my sinks and I just love it! My sink glows because of the 'patina' that it now has...and yours can, too. The finish looks better each time you use my method, too.

I use my sink! I also have a large family that I cook for and use some commercial size, heavy pans. Guests sometimes want to help in the kitchen, or teens, and they bang up the bottom, scratching the sink, and it will look just awful when they're done. They always apologize because they think they've ruined my sink. Never fear. I can 'fix' it in as little as 3 minutes from start to finish.

I've now trained my teens on how to help me maintain a good looking sink. AND if they scratch it, they restore it! It's that simple.

Here's what I do. About every other day, I use Bar Keepers Friend and one of the green scrubby pads that you can buy just about anywhere. It will keep average use to your sink 'maintained' between 'restoration' cleanings.

When there are scuffs and deeper scratches in the sink, I use sandpaper to wet-sand the metal in different grades of paper to restore the sinks. I prefer the black 'wet or dry' sandpaper by Norton that you buy at HD. I already have about 3" squares in multiple grades already cut out and in a baggy under my sink, so I'm ready when I need to 'do this'.

I start with about 150 grit working on the problem areas when I get to them, then work up to at least a 400 grit. I use small circular pattern and overlap all of my work. I never just 'rub' a scuff or scratch in a straight pattern; I always blend my work.

I start in the furthest back left corner and work across the back of the sink moving left to right, just as you would work if you were writing on lined paper. I do the entire sink bottom, then move to the sides. I start with 150 grit paper, then change to 220, then 320, then 400. I rinse the sink after each grit paper is used. Sometimes I use a little soap or BKF depending on my needs so I can move faster with the paper. Once you try it, you will understand what I mean.

I finish off with a good soapy rinse with a rag, then apply a 'finish' of Franke Inox cleaner or a wiping coat of vegetable oil. I have even used Rain-X to help repel spots. I'm just out of it right now and have been using up products I have under the sink. I use 'whatever' to just help the sink repel water right down the drain a.s.a.p..

My brother now had one of his guys using my method on their Franke sinks before final walk thru before closing on a new home. Guess what? They're not having to replace sinks anymore.

After you clean your sink a few times, your sink will start to gain a beautiful patina and smoothness to the finish and you will start to love stainless steel. I also use this method on my $10,000 Thermador Range top. It glows. I just love it.

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clipped on: 05.15.2013 at 07:17 pm    last updated on: 05.15.2013 at 07:17 pm

RE: Free standing tub suggestions (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: aurorasur on 05.03.2013 at 08:41 pm in Bathrooms Forum

We're doing the Maax Ella Sleek which is south of $2k. Ferguson guy said he's seen builders put these in $1m homes with a $1500 fixture! It's acrylic but doesn't look it. one good thing about it is that you can deck mount through the back interior of the tub to the floor, hiding the plumbing. (As opposed to the extra cost of freestanding plumbing outside of the tub). I know there are more technical plumbing terms for all of this but anyways, that's the direction we're going in.

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clipped on: 05.11.2013 at 11:51 pm    last updated on: 05.11.2013 at 11:51 pm

RE: Does this look like fake or real marble to you ? (Follow-Up #41)

posted by: VictoriaElizabeth on 05.09.2013 at 01:54 pm in Bathrooms Forum

$ 7.79/square foot (link below)

I do get that you've moved on... only posting for clarity, if anyone else might consider it (and so that no one thinks I spent that much on tile.)

Here is a link that might be useful: Peronda museum tile

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clipped on: 05.11.2013 at 11:33 pm    last updated on: 05.11.2013 at 11:34 pm

RE: Best idea you,builder or architect had? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: mydreamhome on 05.06.2013 at 09:56 pm in Building a Home Forum

Builder came up with the idea of opening the gable over the back porch allowing for a modified cathedral ceiling vs. having a flat ceiling. This also allowed us to make the most of the view of the mountain in the backyard from inside the family room.

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Designer came up with great master bath layout that gave us everything we wanted in a very efficient footprint.

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We had the idea of making as much use of the space under our U-shaped stairs for a large walk-in pantry that forms a J-shape. The builder was able to modify the original plans slightly to allow minimum 6' ceiling clearance throughout the entire finished pantry space. When you're looking at the pic below, the pantry extends the full width of the stairs to the left and then goes up under the stairs that are descending to the first floor another step or two to form a backwards 'J' shape.

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We had the idea of incorporating full height double trash pullouts in the laundry room to serve as hampers. We have 3 sets of them for a total of 6 hampers. Each bin = 1 full load of laundry. They make sorting and gauging a full load size so easy & when you're in between loads, the dirty laundry just disappears!

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Our builder had the idea of using the accent tile for the shower as the transition strip between the carpet in the bedroom and the bathroom tile floor. The only thing I wish we had done different was to use 2 strips of the accent tile vs. the 1.

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We had a media/print center added to our cubbies--the printer is housed on a rolling shelf in the middle of the unit, printer/school supplies are stored in the cabinet above, and various electronics components are in the bottom cabinet.

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We wanted as much storage space as possible in the kitchen island, so we made it double sided--standard 24" deep cabinets on the work side & 12" deep cabinets on the seating side.

We designed the kitchen to have 2 dishwashers, a concealed microwave & concealed outlets. I was so tired of filling the dishwasher to capacity and still having leftover dishes to wash. 2 dishwashers solved the problem. I hated having the microwave on display, so we had the builder add an outlet in the cabinet above the double ovens. The microwave resides there and is completely concealed when not in use. Our kitchen outlets are actually mounted to the bottom of the upper cabinets so they're completely out of sight and won't interfere when we put in our backsplash.

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Last but not least are the flush glazed doors we used for the back of the house and the door into the garage from outside. We wanted a 1/2 lite door for the garage and full lite doors for the back doors. We really liked the look of the patio doors from the window companies, but they were VERY pricey. The standard steel/fiberglass models most supply houses and the big box stores carry have a chunky raised plastic frame that screws onto the door unit to hold the glass in place with screw hole fillers that are never lined up right--next to the patio doors the window companies make, these were a poor imitation. Looking at another supply house, I found Plast-Pro flush glazed fiberglass doors. When they came in, the builder and his supply house (who had never seen these) were impressed with the look and the price was reasonable--just a little more than the imitators they usually order. No cheap looking plastic raised frames with screw hole fillers that never line up right that yellow & crack over time! They make me very happy every time I walk or look through them.

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Hope this helps!

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RE: Show me your spice storage! (Follow-Up #52)

posted by: breezygirl on 04.06.2013 at 06:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

Purrus--The tins are from Specialty Bottle. They sell lots of other cool bottles and tins, too. Most of what's visible in my open drawer pic are the 4 oz tins. I have several 8 oz tins in the back for larger spices like bay leaves and star anise pods and for spices I use in large quantities like chili powder and cinnamon.

Here is a link that might be useful: Specialty bottle clear lid tins

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clipped on: 05.07.2013 at 01:46 pm    last updated on: 05.07.2013 at 01:46 pm

RE: Freestanding tub suggestions? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: beekeeperswife on 01.17.2013 at 10:41 am in Home Decorating & Design Forum

Here's mine.

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It's huge.

I showed my builder a picture of this tub. we were supposed to order & pay for it ourselves, but they went ahead and got it for us, or had the plumber order it. So I can't guarantee it is this exact one, but they said it is.

Here is a link that might be useful: Strom Mammoth

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RE: Small things that get forgotten (Follow-Up #65)

posted by: Laura12 on 06.12.2012 at 09:22 pm in Building a Home Forum

Here are links to some of the earlier threads similar threads . . .

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg042250409404.html Dream Thread! (What do you wish you had now?)

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0708180218905.html - unique/favorite features in your build....

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg051803107471.html - Things you couldn't live without or wish you had added

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg012331272427.html - What things did you find needed adjusting or changed?

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg052337148911.html - is there anything you wish you had done

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg1011400927581.html - What about your new build makes your life easier; what doesn't ?

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0913570232282.html - Brands/Products That I'd Use Again

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0321442732113.html - Share your best sites for deals on supplies!

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0818041222629.html - To help others - Things I would do different and things i love!

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg021705141306.html - Things I wish I'd specified on my plans

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0120301431285.html - It's been two years...what I've learned, would change, etc...

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0901543214301.html - Biggest Mistakes?

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0521381417863.html - Help!!! Have I forgotten anything?

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg122305046544.html - designing electrical in house

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0316075322256.html - doing whole house audio

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clipped on: 04.28.2013 at 10:55 pm    last updated on: 04.28.2013 at 10:56 pm

Quartzite countertop

posted by: NaRo on 01.09.2012 at 04:21 pm in Kitchens Forum

Our counters-to-be, if all goes well.

Does anyone have experience with Calacatta Macaubus quartzite?

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RE: Quartzite countertop (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: muskokascp on 01.09.2012 at 07:44 pm in Kitchens Forum

These were taken the day of install. Since then the backsplash and window ledges have also been installed - also quartzite.
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clipped on: 04.21.2013 at 09:05 am    last updated on: 04.21.2013 at 09:05 am

fini - ikea cabs,curbless shower,porcelain plank floor,fake marbl

posted by: elphaba on 04.15.2013 at 09:03 pm in Bathrooms Forum

Can't believe how much planning and thought and still amateur mistakes but overall, we are pleased (thank goodness because this wasn't cheap.)

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Countertops installed--love them, but have an issue.

posted by: WMA89 on 04.19.2013 at 02:03 pm in Kitchens Forum

My Corian Sea Salt countertops were installed yesterday. I was so nervous about how they would actually look in place as I was working from a very small sample. But I absolutely love them and am very happy with my choice. The only problem is the corner radius. When the template guy was here I specifically said I didn't want rounded corners and to make them as square as possible. Well, they arrived rounded. I don't know what the radius is, nor did the installer--he guessed 3/4". He told me this is standard and there was not much they could do now. Because these countertops have been delayed due to a variety of issues, our remodel has been significantly held up. So I thought I would live with it. However I keep looking at it and wondering if they could come back out and cut the corners on-site. My biggest issue is the way it looks on the built out hutch cabinet. Any opinions? This has been so stressful (we've been living in the basement since September), and I hesitate to start any new battles, but I don't want have big regrets down the road.
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clipped on: 04.20.2013 at 05:13 am    last updated on: 04.20.2013 at 05:13 am

finished kitchen pics -and i need a backsplash

posted by: kateskouros on 04.15.2013 at 03:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

i'm sorry it's take so long. the stress of the build left me exhausted to the point where i really didn't care. there are so many things wrong with the house that it's hard to find the joy it was supposed to bring. so many problems, too many to list. you can see i am still missing window mullions in the kitchen, closer to the range -as well as other parts of the house. our central vac doesn't work at all, and we also discovered that our hide a hoses weren't installed. if they are ever to be utilized at all, the walls will have to be torn open in order to properly route them to the system in the garage. but since i am making a go of life without the aid of anti depressants or other mood altering pharmaceuticals, let's focus on the good.

excuse the dirty windows. i haven't had much luck locating a reliable person to clean them. i'd like to get romans for the windows, just as soon as i decide on a settee and upholstery for the adjoining breakfast room.
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please also forgive the missing pot filler at the range wall. waiting for backsplash install to put it up.
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baking center, open. it's kept open most of the time in the evening since dh likes to sit at the island with his computer and watch tv. i don't like this arrangement at all since i end up closing it up every. single. night. and since it's open most of the time, it also gets pretty dusty. i plan to remove everything on the shelves and replace with my cookbooks instead.
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this is the fridge/freezer wall. when i started to design the layout this wall was to house the baking center and a wet bar. being as we don't drink -and already planned for a second sink in the island, i nixed the bar and began to rethink the space and revised the drawings -six or seven more times until i came up with this solution. it works very well.
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this is the open position showing microwave, toaster oven and coffee maker. breakfast room is also shown here.
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the breakfast room. planning on linen drapes here, along with an upholstered settee -and maybe switching out one of the benches for a couple of chairs. it's a work in progress.
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the day after the remodel in our old house was complete, i swore i'd have two dishwashers in the new place. sometimes i think i should have gone for three.
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and never let it be said that i did a lot of careful planning. behold this. i am contemplating having a door type thing made to hide this mess, that will open out and up -by those side hinge thingys. i don't know. i kind of like it open. it's a matter of deciding what i would hate more.
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i need seven more cookie jars and lots of salt and pepper shakers to fill my collection spaces. if you care to send a gift, just let me know and i'll send my address. no? well, you can fault a girl for trying.

as far as the backsplash goes, anna c. is visiting me on thursday (!) and will accompany me to the tile store. i definitely need some hand holding here. i really don't feel like making a very costly mistake. i'd like to stick with whites, either marble or porcelain ...if i knew, it would be done already. help!

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RE: finished kitchen pics -and i need a backsplash (Follow-Up #24)

posted by: EAM44 on 04.16.2013 at 12:53 am in Kitchens Forum

I like your idea of keeping it simple and somewhat linear, but how would you feel about bs that is a little less rectangular in layout or shape? The first image is of a mosaic of Carrara and Thassos marbles in (essentially) a 1" x 4" herringbone pattern. This is my favorite for your kitchen. I love the calm that the Thassos brings to the Carrara. Actually, I love everything about Thassos marble - from its history to its beauty. In this mosaic it brightens and enlivens the other stone.

Below is a Carrara mosaic in a diamond shape, followed by Carrara hexagons.

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RE: Blanco silgranit sink - does WHITE look cheap? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: breezygirl on 02.08.2012 at 04:56 pm in Kitchens Forum

No offense to Deb and her beautiful sink whatsoever, but I didn't like the look of the white silgranit IRL.

I have the metallic gray silgranit in my walnut counter and in my Carrara. Love the sinks and love the color!! Have you looked at that the metallic? I like the look of stainless, but hate the material. The metallic looks similar-ish to stainless, but performs much better IMHO. There are some pics on this thread.

Here is a link that might be useful: My kitchen pics

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RE: good quality sinks/s)w/o spending too much (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: suzannesl on 04.14.2013 at 11:48 am in Kitchens Forum

You can do a Krauss 30" or 32" single basin sink with a grid for about $350-370. Express Decor has them on sale at the moment and frequently has the best price, although they are widely available.

It all depends, though, on what you were thinking of. Stainless steel? Enameled cast iron? Silgranite? Fireclay? Single or double basin?

Here is a link that might be useful: Krauss sinks

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RE: Questions for Thermador Freedom Column owners (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: honeychurch on 01.06.2011 at 10:36 pm in Kitchens Forum

I don't have the columns--I have the Thermador Freedom 36" french door fridge. I have only had it for a few months, but I can say we are quite happy with how it performs. We panelled ours; there was a slight problem with the measurements (cabinet maker did them to specs and they were too short by about 1/4", which sounds like nothing but wasn't LOL, he had to redo them):

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All in all, very happy with it!

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Questions for Thermador Freedom Column owners

posted by: kaysd on 01.06.2011 at 05:20 pm in Kitchens Forum

My MIL can get a very nice employee discount on BSH appliances, so we plan to buy Thermador columns when we remodel our kitchen this year. The cost is still more than a standard CD fridge, but enough less than most built-in units that DH is ok with it. I just have a few questions.

1. How do the columns do with food preservation versus other brands you have owned? I've heard great things about SZ and Liebherr, but not much about Thermador's ability to preserve produce, meat, etc. Lettuce and veggies do not last very long in our current fridge, and as I do not like to grocery shop with great frequency, I am hoping for improvement in this area.

2. What size columns do you have and how does the storage capacity work for your family? Can you fit 2 gallons of milk easily? (We have a 2-year-old milk guzzler and another baby on the way.) In our last house, we had a 36" CD SxS that was 21" wide fridge and 15" wide freezer. I often wished for just a little more width in each compartment, especially the fridge. I originally planned on a 24" fridge and 24" freezer, in part because I like the symmetry. All the stores show a 30" fridge paired with an 18" freezer, and after seeing how shallow they are, I think we may need the 30" fridge for our growing family. I worry that the 18" freezer might not be big enough (probably about the same capacity as our 15" wide CD freezer). We shop at Costco, and I like to have a variety of thing on hand to cook, so I want to make sure I have enough freezer space. (Our house does not have a basement and our garage has no space for a chest freezer, which I would love to have.) I could do a 30" fridge and 24" freezer for only about $300 more, but hubby would balk and it would mean losing 6" of precious floor-to-ceiling storage space in our already limited reach-in pantry wall.

3. Have you had problems with your columns?

4. Did you go with the SS panels or custom panels? If custom, did you have any problems? (I remember someone had trouble getting custom panels to fit properly, but don't remember the details.)

5. I would love to see photos of your installed columns.

TIA!

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RE: Are II.5" pulls too big on a 35" drawer? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: nycbluedevil on 03.14.2013 at 02:22 pm in Kitchens Forum

I used 4" pulls on all my drawers, including the 30" and 32.5" drawers. Take a look at my pics on my "almost done" thread. You should be able to find it easily. I am not very good with linking pics.

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RE: Almost Finished Pics - long time coming... (Follow-Up #43)

posted by: aokat15 on 02.10.2012 at 11:48 am in Kitchens Forum

Here are the oversized drawers - I don't usually keep the blender in the oversized pot drawer but lately my dh has been on a protein shake kick and he switched it out with the crockpot.

Above the tray drawer I have a spice drawer and above the oversized pot drawer I have cooking utensil dividers. I also have some neat drawers in the island - two extra deep dish drawers as well as utensil and knife storage:

I'll post in a separate post with other details.

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RE: Calling aokat15.... (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: aokat15 on 08.01.2012 at 05:59 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi lindsay - so sorry I missed this!! Been on and off this site intermittently this summer. You may have already decided on your windows, but here you go:

Windows are all 30" without trim. I have substantial trim on them (5"+) to match the rest of the house. The space around the middle window is closer to 8" so I could do the sconces. My sink wall from corner to end of counter is about 12'. I keep my glasses in the uppers cabinets on the range wall - water glasses, wine glasses, etc on the right and mugs, baby cups, etc on the left. All other dishes are in my island drawer. My mugs and baby stuff get washed more often in my island dishdrawer so I don't mind having them further from the main sink. Best of luck and so sorry again for the delay!! I have to say I LOVE having the "window wall" over my sink!

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RE: HUGE Windows Over Sink (Follow-Up #39)

posted by: aokat15 on 01.21.2011 at 02:08 pm in Kitchens Forum

We're still in progress, but I couldn't be happier with our wall of windows over the sink. This was something I really wanted and we started off with a layout with a much smaller window and kept tweaking until we got it right. Good luck!

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HUGE Windows Over Sink

posted by: aloha2009 on 01.15.2011 at 11:23 am in Kitchens Forum

We love the look of a full wall (or almost a full wall) of windows. We're concerned though, that this would leave us with NO upper cabinets in the entire kitchen (would look awesome but at what price functionally).

Please post your pics if you have this type of arrangement and let us know...

How cumbersome is it to get a glass of water, put away dishes from the dishwasher, etc.

What good alternatives have you been able to come up with to have this layout work for you.

Here's a pic I got from someone's photobucket...

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Small things that get forgotten

posted by: Laura12 on 04.11.2012 at 06:01 pm in Building a Home Forum

I keep hearing that most people find that there are small things that they didn�t think about until after they finished construction that they wish they would have added into their build, and I was curious if all of you would like to help me to compile a list for all of us to consider during planning!

So far I have
- Plugs in kitchen pantry for charging, or for items that may end up living there
- Full size broom cupboard in pantry or laundry room to hide all the cleaning items away from sight.
- Solar tubes in areas that don�t get natural sunlight
- Prewire security system
- Run wire and prepare roof for future solar
- Central Vac with vac pans

Any others to add?

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RE: Which cabinet color-Simply White vs. White Dove? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: ppbenn on 04.02.2013 at 08:32 pm in Kitchens Forum

Well well, I'm going thru this very dilemma. I have decided on BM cloud white. I too will have some marble, stained oak, and soapstone thrown in. The white dove is very greyish and the simply white didn't seem as clean as cloud white in the other areas of the house. I am doing the trim and cabinetry in the cloud white.
The other contender was SW snowbound but still was a bit too grey in our lighting.
Simply and Cloud are so near alike in my light but both are
brighter than Dove but not harsh.
Love your choices ;)

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RE: Please help me with wall-mounted sconces and mirror issues (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: shanghaimom on 03.22.2013 at 11:21 am in Bathrooms Forum

It looks like you have placed the sconces rather close to the side walls. There won't be space for a framed mirror. It looks like a perfect setup for a simple, beveled mirror going wall-to-wall with sconces mounted on top of the mirror. Make sure your sconces accomodate at LEAST 60watts each. Visual Comfor has some lovely, traditional ones which should be perfect with your chandelier.

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RE: It's March 2013! How is your build progressing? (Follow-Up #94)

posted by: gaonmymind on 03.20.2013 at 09:17 pm in Building a Home Forum

Wow so many gorgeous homes! I see pbx and threeapples still hanging in there with me. Beautiful homes of course.

Well we are two months delayed but finally move in next week. I disappeared for awhile because the stress of one subcontractor. Overall our builder has been great and so have all the subcontractors. Even with the delay I know I am blessed to be moving into my dream home!

I will post more pics once we have the walk through over the weekend. Here is a pic of the kitchen with the 17 ft island that I am in love with! (ignore the orange that is a base coat for gray)

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Please weigh in on my counter choices

posted by: kmcg on 08.22.2012 at 02:44 pm in Bathrooms Forum

My floor tile just arrived, and I've got a vanity cabinet, but now I need a counter. Which do you like, if any? First, the context:

My house was built in 1906, so we don't want to stray too far from a traditional or transitional look. That said, my husband vetoed hex marble flooring so I went with large scale faux-marble, which strikes me as verging toward modern. For the counter, I'm drawn toward quartz, which also reads modern in most settings. I guess I'm open minded, but don't want something that's totally out of sync with my Edwardian house.

The flooring is porcelain 12x12; it's called Marmi Statuario Veneto, by Isis USA. It has a creamy, warm tone to it, as opposed to a blue-gray tone that seems to be the other option with marble look-alikes.

The vanity is cherry with a medium cherry finish and a fairly traditional looking door/drawer. The counter will be 60" long with a single undermount sink (Toto cotton white) and a traditional looking chrome faucet.

The shower will be white on white - basically bands of white subway and probably arabesque, plus faux-marble if I can find one I like that has a glossy finish.

I'm showing photos of all the finalist options, with the counter sample set on top of the floor tile, next to a drawer front that I'm in the process of refinishing.

Here's quartz in "concrete". It has tiny bubbles of grays - looks a lot like polished concrete:
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Here's "snowy" quartz - a lot like concrete in terms of bubble size/texture:
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Here's Verde Antiqua marble, honed finish. This color is almost a perfect match to Restoration Hardware's Silver Sage color; we have a fair bit of that color in the house elsewhere, so I was naturally drawn to this marble when I first began looking.
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Here's a quartz in "nougat", which has lots bigger flakes and more movement than the Snowy or Concrete:
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Finally, here's carrara, which is obviously very gray compared to my tile. Although initially the counter of my dreams, I've cooled off on this one as I've looked around:
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RE: Kitchen window ideas? Any pics of yours? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 02.18.2013 at 11:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

The 2 sides are casements that swing out. We paid extra for the Andersen Tru-Scene screens that are much easier to see through than regular screens. They aren't in right now. Waiting til spring ; )

We also did a counter height window- bumped out.

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RE: Need a soft white to off white for cabinets..too many choic (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: kathec on 03.15.2011 at 07:50 pm in Kitchens Forum

Seriously, I'm having this conversation with my DH right now. Every couple of days, I have a new "favorite" white. I think my problem is I'm afraid to commit. I never stress over the wall color. It's sooo easy to change. Cabinet color is harder to change.
Here's a couple I've sampled:

Benjamin Moore (BM) White Dove OC-17 - a bright, grey white. Light Reflective Value (LRV) 90 Cool undertone

BM Cloud White OC-130 LRV 87.1 - not as bright as White Dove LRV 87.1

BM Feather Down OC-7 LRV 73.8 - a moodier gray off white, Cool undertone.

Below is a link another gardenwebber shared with me. BuyAuraPaint. It has the LRV and some of the color undertone info. Sherwin Williams also has the LRV on the back of their cards too if you want to compare.

Here's Pottery Barn's version of how to pick white:
http://www.potterybarn.com/pages/getting-white-right.html

BTW, my color of the week is Ancient Ivory ; )

Here is a link that might be useful: BM paint

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RE: Recommend your soap dispenser (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: breezygirl on 02.02.2013 at 10:15 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Ak. NeverMT is the name of the nifty gadget I, and many of us here, use. It has tubing that connects from the bottom of the soap disposer under the sink to a bottle of whatever liquid soap or detergent you want. The bottle cab be whatever size you want. This is sooooooo much easier than refilling the little plastic bottle that comes with the disposer.

If you google around GW, you'll find some folks who have made their own with tubing and whatever else is needed. I'm not that handy so bought mine.

Here is a link that might be useful: NeverMT

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RE: Need Michelle16's help (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: michelle16 on 02.01.2013 at 10:57 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi guys, sorry I missed this, thanks bee for bumping.The island is 6 feet total. The cabinetry is 5 feet, each post is 6"- hope this helps, Michelle

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Elkay Asana Hammered Stainless Steel Sink

posted by: Amy111 on 01.20.2013 at 10:57 am in Bathrooms Forum

Does anyone have this Elkay Asana Hammered Stainless Steel sink? I love the way it looks, but I know the stainless steel sink in my kitchen gets dings and dulled, so I wonder how this one would hold up. I think maybe the fact that it is hammered would help, but I wonder if it would lose its "mirrored" look over time. Anyone with experience? Thanks!

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RE: New Caesarstone Frosty Carrina & London Gray light marble loo (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: Eleven.Gables on 01.26.2013 at 12:49 am in Kitchens Forum

Blondelle, my sample looks pretty identical to your pictures. I took a picture next to a glazed cabinet in my home, but plan on using it with a cream (no yellow) cabinet. I am thinking about a marble backsplash or just using the caeserstone as the backsplash. My plan is to go next week and look at Marble subway tile.

In the photo, Frosty Carrina is next to the wood backing (left) & London Gray is right

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Almost Finished Pics - long time coming...

posted by: aokat15 on 02.09.2012 at 02:59 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm still waiting to finish up some small details - such as having my potfiller installed - but I thought I'd post my almost finished pics. I've posted some pics along the way, but here is where we're at now. It's been almost 2 years since we purchased our home and we are slowly coming to the end of a long whole house renovation and addition. Gardenweb has been an amazing source for inspiration and guidance - thanks for all of your help along the way. Let me know if you want any info.

To the right of my refrigerator is an oversized walk-in pantry. There are temporary shelves in there now... someday soon we'll have cabinets and nice shelving and I'll share those pics as well :)

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RE: Walnut Tops AND Danby Marble in Today!!! (Follow-Up #100)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 12.05.2012 at 07:26 pm in Kitchens Forum

OK, here's some quick pics. They are coming back tomorrow to adjust the doors. Also, some things are still missing but this gives you the idea!

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There will be paneled refrigerator drawers here...
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This will have pocket doors over that middle section...
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OK, that's IT for now! I really am so happy but I still have to go around and make a list of anything that needs to be fixed up over the next few days so it's hard to enjoy the positive when I'm looking for negative! lol

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RE: Cab Quotes & show me Beaded Inset vs Inset (Follow-Up #76)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 06.08.2012 at 09:07 pm in Kitchens Forum

OK, I'm going with flush inset for a few reasons. (budget, cleaning issues, and I really like flush so no need to go for the extra)

I really liked doors with a bead on the edge and in the middle but don't want to do mitered doors. I'm sure they hold up for many but I have read and heard a lot about the corners separating and that it's more noticeable with painted cabs. Also, it's more expensive. So, don't want to even go there.

I'm told you can still do a bead on the inner part of the door without doing mitered. Imagine Bee's drawer WITHOUT the bead on the outer edge...

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Or I like these- I think they are ogee?
Thoughts?

Here is one I have liked for a long time... (ignore the bead on the frame)
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Love these! (dotcomgone's kitchen)
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francoise- you posted this above.. Is this the same idea? Do you know whose kitchen this is?

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RE: Beaded inset: on door or frame? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: smarge on 07.24.2009 at 11:31 am in Kitchens Forum

I have the bead on the frame in my kitchen, but have it in the door in my bathroom. Doing it on the door, with overlay doors, saved a little money and allowed more room for storage. I love the way it turned out and think my kitchen would have looked fine if I'd done it that way, too. (Kitchen is Kountry Kraft, vanity is custom built by our cabinet maker who, in hindsight, I WISH we used for the entire kitchen!)

Kitchen door w/bead on frame -

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Master bathroom vanity w/bead on door - the most obvious difference is you can not have exposed hinges with this.

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RE: Cab Quotes & show me Beaded Inset vs Inset (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: beekeeperswife on 05.24.2012 at 09:06 pm in Kitchens Forum

Yep, tell Jason you are from GW. This way he can be prepared for another TKO customer! lol

Dutch Wood is family business. They are great to deal with. They are in Myerstown, PA.

Finestra, yours are the pale blue cabinets right? Did you know Jason is going to do an island in the showroom in that color?

My cabinets are full overlay "with little cabinet showing" is how they are described. They have a little groove need the edges of the doors. Lots of things are included in their base price (plain glass is not an upcharge, utensil drawer included, tilt outs under the sink, the insides of the cabinets are painted if you do painted cabinets, and so on). I was also able to ask for other Amerock hardware that he didn't have on display and I got it without an upcharge.

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Please vote on these.

posted by: hobokenkitchen on 01.09.2013 at 09:30 pm in Kitchens Forum

I am SO overwhelmed by all the decisions we are having to make on short notice for these bathrooms. We could REALLY use some help making the last few decisions.

All the stuff we have purchased was bought prior to GC nightmare, so we are now far lower on both budget and energy!

Here are the elements that we already have for the master bathroom.

The gorgeous tile is going to be a framed feature piece over the tub surrounded by the green glass tiles in 3 x 6 subways. The 'marble' tile is for the floor and side walls.

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Here is the tub:

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Chandelier:

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First we need help deciding on a vanity. The first one I love. However it comes with the top still attached and the carrara won't go with the calcutta 'marble' tile.
It is also backordered for who knows how long which means we will either have to wait forever for our finish plumbing or pay for an extra visit from the plumber.

Cost is approx $1600 with the top we don't want.

VANITY 1:

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VANITY 2:

DH loves this one. We can have it in less than 2 weeks. May fit the style of the bathroom better than option 1. I think we are both leaning towards this one as we can get it quicker and I think it fits well style wise.

Cost is approx $1150 with no top.

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Next we have to decide on the vanity lights which may go on either side of a large mirror, or above. Not sure which.

LIGHT OPTION 1 was bee's Overstock suggestion. We need 2 and they are $160/ each.
I feel like the pattern might compliment the pattern in our feature tile piece?? DH loves these.

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LIGHT OPTION 2. Blingy in its own right I have seen this in person and it's beautiful. Has green in it which might work with the green subways and green in the feature tile?

These are a bit pricier at $200/ each:

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So please could you vote for Vanity 1 or 2 and light 1 or 2.

Also any thoughts on a paint color? I;m at a loss.

Thanks!

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RE: Anyone here NOT choosing Shaker cabinets? (Follow-Up #24)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 01.06.2013 at 09:56 am in Kitchens Forum

I don't know WHAT I have! lol I think they are a Shaker style but wanted a little more going on than only slab or the plain 5 panel doors.

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RE: Shaker Cabinet Style (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: breezygirl on 01.04.2013 at 01:39 pm in Kitchens Forum

Don't laugh at me, but I never noticed until just now when I went to measure that my stiles and rails are not equal! Wow.

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Anyway, rails across the top are 1.75" and stiles are 2.25". I wanted 5-pieces drawers throughout as the mix of 5-piece and slab seemed too mix/match for me. I like the continuity of the same drawer style. I didn't know at the time that slabs for top drawers was traditional.

As you can see, my pulls are mounted on the drawer panels, and I have no difficulty reaching and opening the shallow drawers on the top or on the 4-drawer stacks. I did, however, make sure my pulls had sufficient projection to allow for ease of use. A year later, I'm still very happy with all my choices.

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Finished Kitchen - 20 pounds of sand in a 10 pound bucket

posted by: mamadadapaige on 10.29.2012 at 08:19 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi,
Not sure if you remember last spring when I was working on the layout of my kitchen... super long list of stuff I had to get in there and a very challenging floorplan with a chimney and two staircases to work around.

You were all so helpful during that time and more recently too with lighting decisions.

My number one priority was seating for four and also being able to have the kids work with me - the peninsula allows both of those and it is working out SO well. I also love having so much more natural light coming in with two new windows (although the windows mean less wall cabinet space but I love having the light so I would still opt for this).

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RE: decent calcatta marble-like tile (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: kali2024 on 11.04.2012 at 06:58 pm in Bathrooms Forum

12 x 24= $39.84 per case (8 per case)=$4.98 / Sq. Ft
12 x 12= $32.37 per case (13 per case) =$2.49 /Sq.Ft
18 x 18= $33.62 per case (6 per case) = $5.60 / Sq. ft

Not too bad price wise. I just picked up the 12 x 24 for the walls and I'm in love. It's the same tile you can get at a tile store - ask for MS International Pietra Calacatta.

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RE: Beekeeperswife (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: beekeeperswife on 06.28.2012 at 10:24 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm here!

Thanks for asking. The movers arrived on Monday with our stuff. Very exciting to be reunited with my things. What a thrill to have more than one pot to cook in! Got the kitchen unpacked as they were moving our stuff in. So, it was great to get one room "done". Of course, there is some tweaking to do regarding items and their locations.

Builder still has a punch list to complete. But we are so happy to be out of temporary housing. Here are some pictures.....I'll post more later.

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RE: Update: Protecting my Counters (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: beekeeperswife on 12.17.2012 at 02:49 pm in Kitchens Forum

It was closer to the edge for the party, we have moved it a bit

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This is the bumper that I put between the pieces to "join" them. When I just messed with the sheets for the photo, I see that I didn't "join" them tightly like they were before.

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this is a close up of another smaller bumper in the corner. The plexiglass did lay flat, but I lifted it up to take the picture and I just now see it didn't lay flat before I snapped the photo!

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RE: Paper Towels--To Those With Built In Holders (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: 2LittleFishies on 12.11.2012 at 11:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hello All! I Just came back to this thread to get some hints on how I can get our paper towel roll to not roll so much that too many towels come out. I think beagles has a spring and I'd love a pic. My cabinetmaker isn't aware of any 3rd party solutions for this.

He DID, however, do what I think marcolo mentioned above. I didn't really ask him to specifically although I did tell him I wanted to try to store towels behind it... It's quite tight to pull out (which is good) so perhaps he made it so the glides are not as smooth here?

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Pretty Cool! NOW, if I could just get the dowel to roll more slowly or figure out the spring thing!

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RE: Paper Towels--To Those With Built In Holders (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: dragonfly08 on 06.10.2012 at 07:09 pm in Kitchens Forum

I love mine and also love the it's under the counter and out of sight. Ours is the same depth as the other base cabs with a tray cab underneath. Because it's so deep, it's a great place to store extra rolls behind current roll. I didn't specify mechanism, so my cab maker made it with dowels. The first few days, we found that if we yanked too hard or even gently push back on it, the roll would actually fly back and off the 2 side recessed holders. Affixing 2 small rubber bumper tabs alleviated the problem and all it takes is a bit more push to slide a new roll into place.

No major issues with water drops, though there sometimes are a few drops of water as one would expect. It hasn't bothered me the least bit and a quick wipe (with the towel just pulled or with my kitchen towel) takes care of it. But I've never had any issues in the last 3+months of use with water pooling or dripping or other major annoyances like that.

Only suggestion I would make is to consider some sort of arm along with the mechanism that would prevent roll from turning too much and allow for 1-handed tear of the paper. I can do it with mine, but that's due to experience and most of the time, it appears to be a 2-handed deal.

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What is the correct name for this?

posted by: gidgetgirly on 12.16.2012 at 02:12 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi, I was wondering if there's a correct name for an upper cabinet that goes from ceiling to countertop but is stepped back? I'm having a hard time describing what I like. Here's an example on either sides of the sink:

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RE: Help me choose a shower door handle? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: KevinMP on 11.15.2012 at 09:46 pm in Bathrooms Forum

You could go a little more linear. I used all Kohler Pinstripe Pure for my tub filler and knobs, faucets, shower head and trim, and valve trim, and I used the Pinstripe shower door handle, too. I bought it on Amazon to save some money (it was still pricey at $220). It's a little large (which is why I attached some pictures for scale), but I still love it.

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RE: Best drawer size? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: quiltgirl on 12.03.2012 at 07:34 pm in Kitchens Forum

Can you post a picture of your layout? It is easier to visualize and give suggestions that way.

I also have 24 inch and 30 inch drawers in my plan, but am thinking of making the 30 inch more like 33 inch. It depends what you are going to store in them as to the depth. If you are planning on putting large pots in the drawer, measure the height of the pot and add a couple of inches for drawer construction and clearance when shut.

I would think your cooking oils could be kept in an upper cabinet near the stove. You could also have a pull out pantry type in the lowers for things of that nature. However, one person who has one said she is forever bending over to see what is on the lower shelves of the pull out, so don't know if that is good or bad.
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RE: Almost Finished...lots of pics (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: michelle16 on 09.09.2012 at 09:32 am in Kitchens Forum

Thanks guys! i really appreciate the positive feedback. Lakegirl- the wall color is BM Edgecomb gray, it really changes color with the light which makes it interesting, it can look tanish or grayish. the white cabs are BM white dove, and the gray ones are BM Stone harbor gray. kamkar- the faucet is a ROHLS- but it is the country series, which I thought was a great price for the quality.

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RE: Almost Finished...lots of pics (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: michelle16 on 09.09.2012 at 08:41 am in Kitchens Forum

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RE: Do your tv and fireplace compete? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: nini804 on 02.27.2012 at 09:49 am in Building a Home Forum

I am weird, lol, I REALLY don't like the look of TVs, and the way our house is set up....our fireplace is visible not only in the great room, but also from the front foyer. Heck, since our front doors are seedy glass...the FP is technically visible from before you walk in! :) Dh and I had quite a disagreement about this....he wanted a flat screen smack dab over that FP, I didn't really even want the TV in that room! I thought it could go in the study. Anyway, of course I gave in on having the TV in the great room...but wouldn't budge on not having that thing over my FP! We decided to have the carpenter build some built-ins on the left wall. They are great, I have been enjoying futzing with arranging all the items in e shelves and of course I love the storage underneath...but that big, black TV keeps mocking me, right there, front and center. I wish I had put doors over it, but EVERYONE said that was ridiculous...flat screen TVs are meant to be seen. *eye roll* Anyway, I grouped the seating so the couch person can see both well, but the chair people are more oriented to the couch people and the fire. I'll post pics...

Now there is another chair in front of that glass door on the left....

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Please show me your basket liners and labels

posted by: oldbat2be on 11.29.2012 at 08:56 am in Kitchens Forum

In an attempt to organize my mudroom, I purchased lots of baskets (from the basketlady.com). Currently, I have useful things like grout and painting supplies tucked in them. I've put the non-skid felt adhesive pieces on the bottoms of these (as one would do for furniture), so the baskets don't scrape the cabinet shelves too much.

I'd like label these and possibly line them as well and would love to see what you have done for labels and liners. Casaloma suggested Pottery Barn's Sabrina labels, which may be an option.

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RE: Coffee table distance from sofa? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: les917 on 01.14.2008 at 01:27 pm in Home Decorating & Design Forum

This might help:

Measuring Space - How Much Room Do You Really Need?

by Pamela Cole Harris

When planning your home dcor, it is vitally important to understand your space needs. Do you have enough room to open any doors? Can you walk from one side of the room to the other without climbing over the furniture? Here are some rules to keep in mind when you plan your room update:

1. Living Room - Keep in mind that for good conversational and traffic flow, keep at least 4-10 feet between sofa and chairs. Place your coffee table between 14-18 inches from the sofa (although I would only use 18 inches if you have lonnnnng arms!).

2. Family Room - To the above rules about sofa and chair placement, add the viewing area needed for a television. To view a 30 inch TV screen, the sofa or chair should be at least 90 inches away (but not so far that you have to change your glasses prescription to view!). To create an easy flow in any room, there should be traffic lanes which are at least three feet wide.

3. Dining Room - A seated adult at a round or square table usually occupies a depth of about 20 inches with at least 12-16 inches more to pull back a chair. Rectangular tables need at least 24 inches per person and about 32-36 inches clearance between table and walls. On the serving side, the table to wall distance should be at least 44 inches.

4. Bedroom - For maximum comfort, the distance from the bed to the wall should be at least 24 inches. To allow any door to open easily, there should be 36 inches between the bed and the door.

Knowing how much space you really need in a room can make planning your space much easier. Be sure to measure your room height and length, the size of windows and check to see of your room is "true" or square before you place your furniture. Doing so will help avert a potential disaster like buying a king-size bed for a queen-size room!

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RE: I may have found my quartzite...anyone have Antarctica? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: karin_mt on 11.28.2012 at 02:18 pm in Kitchens Forum

Soibean - well, you've asked the $10,000 question (is that about the price of a countertop?) about Super White and White Arabesque. The bottom line is there are multiple rocks going by the same name. Some Super Whites are marble. Some are quartzite. So it's not that any of them are a mixture of both marble and quartzite (though I see how one could get that impression).

The important thing is to only use the name as a very rough guide to what the stone looks like, and then to use your own skills to determine what it actually is. This is where the glass test comes in. Quartzite will easily scratch glass with a clear grinding noise and biting feeling as you drag it across. Marble will slide across the glass surface with a quiet sound and a slippery feel. This test tells you what mineral the rock is made of and therefore what rock type it is.

All the details are in the original thread below. I am happy to see some folks adopting the glass test because it is a sure-fire answer to this confusing question!

Here is a link that might be useful: the low down on Super White

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RE: Link or post of Katieob's kitchen pictures? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: katieob on 10.04.2010 at 02:30 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi.

Sorry for the delayed response. I haven't been on GW as much lately. Thanks for your kind words. I think mine is a "coming soon" kitchen on the FKB. Here are some photos that won't show in the thread anymore. Don't know why. Any questions, I'd be happy to help. Good luck!
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Finished Finished! Rancher Remodel, dark to light! (tons pix)

posted by: firsthouse_mp on 06.28.2010 at 02:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

We are done, we are moved in.....after 17mos living with my mom and enduring living out of cardboard boxes! Love love love my new kitchen!! Thank you to all of you who deeply inspired me (redroze,elizpiz,rm,theanimala,segbrown,many many more!), and I hope you don't mind that there's a piece of each of your kitchens that I copied because I admired it so much. I learned so much by lurking, reading everything then finally posting.

THINGS WE LOVE:
--Our cabinets were so reasonable and they work beautifully. We LOVE Precision Cabinets! Their install was immaculate and perfect. When we had a glitch with the warming drawer, they fixed it perfectly! While I couldn't afford every "bell & whistle" inside the cabinets, I love them.
--White Princess honed. It's gorgeous and I no longer have the OCD urge to constantly wipe my counters (our old granite was polished). I also love my backsplash done in the same material--I am attracted to visual simplicity so couldn't pick a tile :)
--Cheap dishwasher. Paid $500 and we love it.
--Deep cheap sinks. Our main Ebay sink is awesome($500)! Love the 10" big single bowl. The island sink was cheap too, and is the perfect size, $150.
--White everywhere and one big room. Not for everyone, but my DH and I love the big open light-filled room. Far cry from the dark rancher that it was. We tore down two walls and raised the ceiling.
--The soapstone buffet. It was a remnant piece and I love that it doesn't match the rest of the kitchen. Sets it apart and boy does the texture feel nice!
--The papertowel niche. Not important, but I like that the towels are off my counter and totally accessible.
--The two hidden cabinets in the island near the stools. All my Xmas dishes, Thanksgiving platters and everything fit in here!

THINGS WE WOULDN'T DO AGAIN:
--The Vent Hood: Modernaire was a NIGHTMARE to deal with here in the NorCal area. You have to go through a distributor who will upcharge you $2,000 to order a hood. Modernaire won't sell directly to anyone who is in the area of one of their distributors. The rep here was a complete idiot, ripped me off and in the end didn't deliver what I had ordered. I had to then hire someone else to fix the goofs. Not worth it!

--Order our range through AJ Madison. Total pain to get this stove delivered. The rest of our appliances came without a hitch but the delivery of the range was a disaster. They refused to deliver it until we had a concrete pathway, but our city had some issues with solid pathways and the runoff, etc. Had 4 delivery dates and they turned around each time and refused to bring it in the house. In the end I would have purchased this through our local store (there was no discount on this by buying on internet, unlike the other appliances).

THINGS WE STILL NEED TO DO:
--Help me pick kitchen table chairs! Those pictured are folding chairs for holidays. Our old ones were falling apart, so we ditched them in the move. What should I put there?
--Shades ordered and we are waiting for them to come and be hung.
--The stools (CB2 Vapor) are too tall and we need to have the legs cut down. They only come in 30" or 24" and one is too tall and the other is too short. Sigh.

THE DETAILS:
CabinetryPrecision Cabinets, Brentwood, CA; painted in stock color which matches Simply White
WallsBM Simply White
Kitchen CountersWhite Princess granite, from DaVinci Marble & Stone in San Carlos, CA, with 2.25" mitred square edge
Buffet CounterBrazilian Black soapstone from Texeira, SF, with no edge finish
Door and Drawer PullsTop Knobs, Square Pulls, Polished Chrome; ordered off the internet
Main SinkEbay purchase 36" SS Farmhouse w/apron front , single bowl, flushmount
Island SinkDawn 19X17 single bowl, undermount
Main FaucetBlanco Meridien Semi-Professional in Brushed
Island FaucetSantec Penza pull out in Brushed
RefrigeratorElectrolux WaveTouch; ordered off Homeeverything.com
DishwasherWhirlpool Gold Quiet Partner III; ordered from AJ Madison
Microwave DrawerSharp 24"; ordered from AJ Madison
RangeViking Range w/6 burners and griddle; ordered from AJ Madison
Hood Modernaire custom hood
Trash CompactorGE Profile in SS; ordered from AJ Madison
Warming DrawerKitchenaid Architect Series II; ordered off Homeeverything.com; panel from cabinet co.
BacksplashWhite Princess granite
WindowsSemco
Flooring-DuChateau pre-engineered floors in Lugano
Big Slider DoorCustom made 10 bypass doors by McFarland Doors, w/custom screen
Island PendantsHudson Valley Pelham 13" ordered from Butler Lighting
Breakfast Table PendantRound 26" linen chandelier by Restoration Hardware
Buffet SconcesBoston Library Sconces by CircaLighting.com

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my finished nyc galley kitchen!

posted by: calypsochick on 10.18.2010 at 09:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

Thanks to everyone for all the advice and words of wisdom! Our NYC galley kitchen is pretty much done. You can see more photos and information here and I'd be happy to answer any questions:

www.pinkroots.blogspot.com

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RE: For those with BM white dove painted cabinets (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: katieob on 07.22.2010 at 02:11 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi.

We have BM White Dove for cabs & all trim. We used BM Wickham Grey in the kitchen (the sliver over the sink window) and adjoining room. It's a light blue/grey that is very soothing and people always ask about. Hope this helps.

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positano_what grey is in this pic?

posted by: michelle16 on 06.14.2012 at 07:55 am in Kitchens Forum

Your gray color chosen in this bathroom pic. is gorgeous, iv'e tried to google it and find out the color, and no luck, can you sahre, or if anyone knows?tks, Michelle

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RE: It's November 2012 - How's Your Build Progressing? (Follow-Up #29)

posted by: ppbenn on 11.09.2012 at 09:28 pm in Building a Home Forum

We've been at it for a year+ now and are looking to get our mechanicals etc inspections this Tuesday.
Thankfully we are not to drywall as Sandy left us with a roof repair and water inside that would have been major had we had drywall up.
It has been slow but steady and we have done the excavating for the horse barn and hope to get that underway before to much longer.
It's always fun to see everyone's progress. Wish you all happy building!

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RE: Cabinet construction must haves?? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: kateskouros on 03.24.2011 at 01:59 pm in Kitchens Forum

i'm in nj and my cabinet maker is phenomenal. really, the best i've ever worked with. kitchen is installed and we are now working on the drawer inserts. they're making custom fittings for my china, glassware, flatware and also some slide outs within the drawers. if you can think it, they can do it.
and if you can't think it yourself, they can do that to!

design line kitchens & bath
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RE: White cabinets and some espresso stained cabinets & island .. (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: kateskouros on 01.07.2012 at 01:38 am in Kitchens Forum

you should look at your layout and figure out what would make sense. balance is important but it's also about highlighting certain areas. i decided to do all of the perimeter white, but pull out the baking cabinet and also the island.

espresso can look lovely in certain kitchens. my stained pieces were originally supposed to be much darker. but when i brought sample doors in, the color was just too stark for me. i've seen it done though and in the right space, is gorgeous. good luck.
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RE: kateskouros - a question about one of your cabinets (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: kateskouros on 07.02.2012 at 08:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

hi, i'm here. just so busy trying to send two kids off to camp, figure out a way to get the GC to finish the house (without resorting to physical threats) AND sort through six years of stuff and move from the temporary house. i just found my crystal and china so had to wash everything and figure out where it goes in the new place. the good news: i found a miracle doc who has put me on BHRT and i am now better able to handle all the stress this mess has caused. i seriously feel GREAT.

so hopefully i can answer all of your questions. the easy one first: my ceilings are 9' tall. the island, FYI is 10'x6'. it's hard to reach the center to clean so i'm wishing i didn't spec it as deep, but c'est la vie. it is what it is and i still believe i needed the size to fill the space. another aside: you can't see it in the layout, but my turbo chef oven is located under counter in the island directly across from dishwasher #2, facing the windows.

note: the walk from the range to the refrigerator is 8-10 steps, depending if i'm standing right or left. it's definitely closer than it appears in the drawing. it's a large space but i the zones makes it work nicely.

this is a general layout of the kitchen. the dimensions are 22' wide x 17.5' (i think) deep. the breakfast room is off to the right and is 14' square, with a porch right outside for outdoor dining. formal dining room across the hall, other side of fridge/freezer wall.
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this is the fridge/freezer wall. the center panels open up to reveal toaster oven, microwave (coming soon), coffee maker. also kept here will be cereal, bread, etc, ...your basic breakfast items, plus pop corn, et al. silverware is out and scattered waiting for the cabinet maker to come back and install drawer inserts. fridge is shown open on the left, freezer is on the right. here is it is in the closed, and open positions:
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RE: Seen your kitchen...what's the rest of the house look like? (Follow-Up #97)

posted by: kateskouros on 03.14.2011 at 10:52 pm in Kitchens Forum

mtnrdredux: LOVING the tile for your shower! absolutely in LOVE.
breezy: i love the idea of your ds's hand prints! i hope you don't mind; i'd like to steel that to use in our playroom. it's painted an apple green but i'm bringing in a fabric with blues so maybe we could do the prints in the blue.

this is the fabric. i'm making roman shades and draperies for the sleep over nook:
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and just so you don't think the interior is a complete circus, those colors are limited to the kids "wing"! the rest of the house is for grown ups.

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i LOVE seeing everyone's homes!

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RE: Seen your kitchen...what's the rest of the house look like? (Follow-Up #64)

posted by: srg215 on 03.10.2011 at 11:25 pm in Kitchens Forum

sorry about the mess seen in some of the rooms...these pics were taken during a family gathering w/lots of kids around!

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RE: ROHL faucet help (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: kateskouros on 05.23.2012 at 11:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

imo, there is no difference in quality between perrin & rowe and the country collection. both solid brass (and HEAVY) with ceramic discs. no plastic anywhere on these faucets (though i haven't seen much of that in any quality brand). i bought two of the P&R bridge faucets on ebay for under $800 each.

i know i've suggested ebay to you before but i got most of my faucets that way. i even got another rohl faucet for my laundry room ...for $50. GL!

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sorry, forgot the pic (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: kateskouros on 12.30.2010 at 10:40 am in Building a Home Forum

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RE: Appliance garage too wide? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: ovenbird on 08.13.2009 at 07:35 am in Kitchens Forum

We have a wide garage for the toaster oven and microwave in our built-in hutch. The inside dimensions are 54"W x 14"H x 16"D. It was planned to be a little taller, but the hinges and door used up more space than originally thought. The door is up most of the time...only close it when we have company! The door is very easy to work if using both knobs, but a little heavy if using just one hand.

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RE: Appliance garage?? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: pps7 on 12.13.2010 at 12:54 am in Kitchens Forum

My mixer and coffee machine sit out on the counter. I don't think they look bad. I wanted to hide my toaster oven when we entertain. Our appliance garage is open most of the time.
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RE: Pocket/Flipper Door instead of an appliance garage??? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: threebees on 02.17.2012 at 05:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

flynnnj, we had a cabinet modified by our carpenter for our coffee and tea making supplies. We kept it simple and just had him remove the bottom of the cabinet and leave the doors as is. He did attach the shelf permanently for some extra stability. Our cabinet is 24 inches wide, the doors are 12 inches each and the depth is 15 inches. I think it works because the cabinet is right beside the refrigerator side panel so one of the doors opens on to that. We thought that we might have to install a wider opening hinge on to the left door to make it really comfortable to use but we have been using it for over a year and it works perfectly. I'll attach a couple of pics, not the best but it will give you the general idea.

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