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RE: SMARGE- your backsplash? (Follow-Up #25)

posted by: smarge on 07.28.2009 at 11:10 am in Kitchens Forum

drjgreenberg - Yes, we are pretty close! We live in Llewellyn Park in W. Orange and my kids actually go to school in Short Hills!

Our cabinet maker, as I'm sure you've read in other threads, is the #1 favorite sub our contractor used and we have hired him directly for many other projects which we love.

His name is Rich of Siena Woodworks in Rockaway NJ (973) 495-2000. He is talented, intelligent, calm (valuable on a busy job site!), and very good at planning details in advance. If I knew then what I know now, he absolutely would have done my kitchen (although I am still happy having worked with my KD bc I had no clue when I started planning the kitchen. I used Jeff Kennedy who works out of The Sawhorse in Millburn. I just would have preferred cabinets by Rich instead of the Kountry Kraft I bought.)

We bought our Danby marble from Dente Trading in Cedar Grove

I would not recommend our fabricator.

We also sourced some beautiful tile (natural stone as well as high quality porcelain) through Stone Source in Carlstadt They have a nice showroom with gorgeous, very unique stone and tile. They have a lot of product in stock and can show you slabs, etc. They aren't just a showroom.

In fact, if you like the look of a stone called Lagos Azul, they have a porcelain tile that looks exactly like it for much less cost and WAY less maintenance! (Their Stontech/1.0 in the color Stongrey 6.0. It's what I used for the floor in my mudroom as well as sheets of 2x2 tiles for the shower floor in my guest bath as well as the dog shower in our garage.)

Another excellent showroom for tile ideas is Artistic Tile in NYC. We bought all the various sizes of Carrera Gold marble tile for our MaBa from them. We worked with Rachel Myerson, who was great. You should visit their one afternoon - it can be a good time, since they always have out pretty decent wine and cheese for their clients' pleasure!

Rachel Myerson
38 West 21st Street
New York, NY 10010
Phone: 212-727-9331

Last, if you are in the market for new appliances, I recommend you go to Karl's in Orange (very close to W.Orange - take a right off Mt. Pleasant and it is about 110 yards on your left off Main St. - not at all scary.)

They will play the pricing game and no matter what you tell them, they won't give you the best price first. But, they will try to beat anyone else's price to get your business. Sort of slimy, but they have a good showroom and they have the 3.5 sales tax due to the depressed area.

I bought all my household appliances from Paul's Appliances in Newark. Very nice guy named Dominick who has been there forever and isn't going anywhere. Same tax break at Karl's, much smaller place, but much to see on their second floor, and a bit scarier to drive to alone, but not horrible. Excellent customer service (they took delivery of my appliances WEEKS before my GC was ready to accept them at no charge and other things I don't want to post online.) Their price was the LOWEST 1st quote I got from anyone else, often including online retailers! His first quote is his final quote, no games. However, I think Karl's would have tried to beat the prices, but the sliminess turned me off.

If money is the key driver, I'd get a quote from Dom and get Karl's to beat it. If you want a retailer who will stand behind the sale - just a more pleasant experience overall, I think you can't beat Paul's in this business.

Let me know if you need other info - I'm happy to "give back" to GW'ers, especially someone local to me!

Good luck to you!


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RE: Relative cabinetry prices: brand vs. brand (Follow-Up #87)

posted by: paulines on 09.11.2008 at 07:20 pm in Kitchens Forum

Modified inset is usually done with frameless contructed cabinets, CP offers them in their Limited Line. It utilizes overlays, friezes and trim to reproduce the period look and feel of a traditional inset.


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RE: Relative cabinetry prices: brand vs. brand (Follow-Up #81)

posted by: paulines on 09.04.2008 at 07:00 am in Kitchens Forum

Sayde, how are you making out?

I realized I never properly answered your questions. The quote you received from CP does seem consistent with what I've been seeing & hearing, it's hard to be more specific w/o seeing exactly what's included and not included.

If you decide on a painted finish, check out Cabico cabinetry. They offer a matte finish (either paint or stain), a nice choice of substrates, including hard maple and utilize Blum hardware. You could do a modified inset as I'm not sure they offer true insets - Cabico's cost would be significantly less than CP and I feel they are a good value.

If you do decide on a stained finish, Medallion's is beautiful, soft and perfect for a bungalow. Again, not sure about insets, but a modified one gives you the look and feel @ about 1/2 the price. Frees up some of the budget for other details that will contribute to the look & feel of the space you are seeking.

Hope this helps.


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RE: Relative cabinetry prices: brand vs. brand (Follow-Up #50)

posted by: paulines on 08.14.2008 at 06:30 am in Kitchens Forum

I'm a freelance KD. I do not sell cabinetry, but make material recommendations to clients based on their budget and needs.

There is very little difference between Omega and Dynasty. The exterior finish is one and the same and you CAN customize the Dynasty. For examples, it's less expensive to order a reduced depth Dynasty, than a 18"D Omega or order a Dynasty piece with a finished interior, if necessary.

Woodmode, Rutt & QCC are heads & tails over Omega - their construction details and finish is much, much better.

Plain & Fancy, Crystal and Candlelight are fabulous upper mid level cabinets.

For mid range, Cabico is a great value (frameless, too), as are Medallion (the best finish for a mid range imo) and Dynasty (I recommend lumberyards where pricing is very competative). Just a note, you make encounter the DynastyI line - they provide a inset panel as opposed to a reversed raised door on shaker style doors and are a more budget friendly line.


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RE: Relative cabinetry prices: brand vs. brand (Follow-Up #30)

posted by: yourcabinetguy on 05.22.2008 at 11:39 am in Kitchens Forum

Lifetime Cabinets is a very competitvely priced manufacturer, comparable to Wellborn Cabinets. Both manf. have ample options, though not as many as Showplace and Omega. Lifetime has many great selling points, and in most cases both Lifetime and Wellborn are priced better than Lowes and Home Depot.
My top 3 best get more pay less



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RE: Cabinets - Dover Woods or Modern? Local cabinet maker in Mass (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: thrilledtoremodel on 06.27.2009 at 06:06 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Meg- I am working with a custom cabinet guy right now- my cabinets are due to be installed July 20th, if you are near Shrewsbury MA (he's in Millbury) and can wait till then, you are welcome to see them.

We're doing white, shaker style inset cabs. He's been fantastic to work with so far.

Price is 12K installed- we have a medium to small kitchen (10 x 10 ish).

here is his info:

Al Loader, Loader Cabinets, 508-865-9012


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RE: Under cab lights -- are they essential? (Follow-Up #26)

posted by: mamadadapaige on 06.26.2009 at 10:17 am in Kitchens Forum

I went from a very dimly poorly lit kitchen prior to renovating to a well lit kitchen with recessed cans where they should be, undercabinet lighting and really nice strong light on the ventilation hood. It has made an enormous difference - not only is it a brighter and cheerier place to be, it reals helps functionally as well. I would highly recommend the Kichler linear lighting (also made by Seagull) that I went with for under the cabinets.

I took a kitchen lighting class and we had a field trip to Osram Sylvania to their lighting lab... there is so much more to lighting than I could have imagined and I just got lucky that my electrician was so good and knew how much and where my lighting should go.

There are SO many expenses when doing a kitchen, but I personally wouldn't skimp on the lighting.


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RE: anybody use a penetrating finish on wood floors in kitchen? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: ajsmama on 06.13.2009 at 06:38 am in Kitchens Forum

I wonder if they'd send a small sample so you could coat a board and test it?

I used Tried and True wood finish (boiled linseed oil and beeswax, OSMO is carnuba wax) on my stairs, it is not water-resistant at all (though might be better if I went over it with a hard carnuba car wax). Footprints from bare feet (esp. wet out of the shower) and handprints from DD climbing the stairs show. It *is* very easy to touch up since it is oil-based. I'm skeptical of any product that says you can have both. Thinking of going over (old) T&T finish with Waterlox.

Have you posted on Woodworking?


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RE: White Oil Based Paint (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: boxerpups on 06.20.2009 at 05:51 am in Kitchens Forum

Oh dear, yes this does happen. I am a little surprised
that BM shop did not tell you this when you bought the
paint. Oil based white tends to yellow.

I believe the only fix is to repaint it. However maybe
if you cross post on the paint section of GW someone
might be able to give you some tips.


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anybody use a penetrating finish on wood floors in kitchen?

posted by: fern4 on 06.12.2009 at 09:03 pm in Kitchens Forum

As I understand it, the universe of floor finishes divides into surface and penetrating. The penetrating finishes are basically oil and wax mixtures which makes them repairable. But then they are also do not last very long. They also look beautiful because they soak in.

I'm considering something called "OSMO Polyx-Oil" which one seller says "is far more durable. Tests in Germany, where it is manufactured, showed it to be just as tough as polyurethane. Yet it is very definitely a repairable floor finish-with the added benefits of being natural, low-toxic and pleasant to use."

I'd love to know if anybody has used any penetrating finishes on their kitchen floors and specifically this one!


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RE: What size crown moulding for 8' celings. (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: erikanh on 04.26.2009 at 09:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

Our ceilings are only 7'6" high. My KD recommended 2 3/4" high crown moldings. That sounded so small to me but then she showed me how they look larger when installed because they're at an angle:


I'm really glad I trusted her and didn't do larger crown moldings. I didn't want anything that would make my simple shaker cabinets look top-heavy. These seem perfect to me.

I think your KD is right and that 4" is plenty big enough.

Good luck!



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RE: Where can I find 2x4 honed carrara subway tile? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: remodelfla on 06.15.2009 at 06:58 pm in Kitchens Forum

These are 2x4 honed carerra. It's from Eurotile. I don't know the price.

Here is another 2x4 whiter marble. It does not say if it's honed. It's from Northeastern Tile and is under $10 for a 12x12 sheet:


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RE: help me break up with my cabinet maker! (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: kev_800 on 05.22.2009 at 01:14 am in Kitchens Forum

Geez, don't be so timid. Its your kitchen and its your money, you are the customer. When we bid our cabinets we got bids from 28-48. The bid for 48k didnt even include everything we wanted....This is a business transaction, not an interpersonal relationship. If he can't give you what you want, you need to go elsewhere. Don't be rude about it, just respectfully decline his proposal.


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RE: what ideas have you 'borrowed' from other GWers? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: rmkitchen on 04.16.2009 at 12:34 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm so happy to read this, kateskouros!

I'm a thief, and I stole my hood design from mwardlb (who was here long before I started snooping around GW) and my faucet from susanandmarkw.

dianalo posted pictures of IKEA tall narrow cabinets: we expanded on that idea for our broom "closet" pull-out -- but if not for her sharing the photos from the IKEA Fans website, I'd never have known about it.

Someone else whose name I've totally forgotten ... shoot, well anyway, they had a dishdrain carved into their soapstone countertop (not runnels), and I loved it. We'd already known we wanted runnels, but the dishdrain was inspired; we had it done on one side (with runnels on the other) and we just love it. The runnels are great, but the dishdrain is the best.


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RE: what ideas have you 'borrowed' from other GWers? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: annes_arbor on 04.15.2009 at 11:16 pm in Kitchens Forum

My favorite "borrow" was removable "feet" for cabinets. I don't remember whose kitchen had these (sorry), but her base cabinet trim was attached to the cabinet by velcro. My cabinet maker thought I was a nut case, but I had him put magnets on the top of the feet and the bottom of the cabinet. Now I can just move the feet when I'm cleaning.


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RE: How is this possible? (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: raynag on 03.05.2008 at 10:39 pm in Kitchens Forum

Mccarthy3 - Sorry I have not gotten back to this thread; I've been so involved with my own (Adelphi) kitchen. Wholesale Kitchen Center on Route 46 in Lodi. Our custom cabinets were $18,000 with blum drawers and doors, a spice pullout, etc. We had a GC do the work. Mike at Wholesale is great to deal with; doesn't nickel and dime you, and we are very happy. Here is our 87" wall of 12" deep pantry and bookshelves. Natural cherry.

new pantry
Keep us posted on your bids and I will be sure to check back to see how you are progressing. We're still in the midst - soapstone counters went in today, so it is starting to look like a kitchen. Good luck with your search!


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RE: How is this possible? (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: longislandinnj on 01.25.2008 at 04:02 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm in Morris County & have been very happy with my Elm cabinets made in Denville, NJ. My dealer was Kitchens of Distinction (Randolph)also very happy with them but there are other dealers of this brand.

High quality, inset doors, priced on par as HD, Lowes, & a Kraftmaid dealer.

BTW- sherrilynn, so sorry for all your trouble. I heard of a another story where a dealer will underbid the competion, take the $$$7K deposit but not place the order for 6 -MONTHS but say it's on the way! (and screw it up along the way) .


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RE: How is this possible? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: malhgold on 01.25.2008 at 09:50 am in Kitchens Forum

Welcome. I live in NJ as well,in Morristown. There is a woman on this forum, Kateskourous, who I believe also lives in Red Bank who may be working with a custom cab maker in Chatham(can't remember the name). I know she was very happy with the quotes she had received. I have also been given a referral to Jonathan Fallos Cabinetry. I have not contacted them yet, and have no idea about costs, but I have the utmost respect for the person who referred them and I don't think she would steer me in the wrong direction. You could do a search on custom cabinet makers in NJ and see what you find. I'm sure there are many reputable ones out there as well as a few that are not, so make sure you do your research. Good luck!!

Here is a link that might be useful: Jonathan Fallos


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RE: How is this possible? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: raynag on 01.25.2008 at 12:13 am in Kitchens Forum

mccarthy - where in NJ? This is not exactly the land of small on-premises custom cabinet shops. I don't know what your budget is -- but Brooks custom cabs in Union came up with $28,000 ballpark for slab front cherry cabinets; Adelphi totally custom cabinets with every bell and whistle were $18,000. I priced semi-customs, far from top of the line cabinets at another place and they were, without bells and whistles, somewhere around 24,000.

My KD (who does not sell cabinets) told me that I should price custom; that they would not be more - and would sometimes be less --- than semi-custom. She was right! As a matter of fact, I went in to price Kraftmaid and by the time I upgraded to what I wanted, they would have been way more expensive than the custom cabinets I ended up with. Do your homework and don't be intimidated (as I originally was) by the word "custom."


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RE: Marble cost versus granite? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: erikanh on 05.25.2009 at 12:49 pm in Kitchens Forum

My honed Carrara was $50/sq ft. There were small additional charges for an upgraded Dupont edge and sink cutout. The polished Calacatta Manhattan I used on my backsplash was $90/sq ft.

I'm not sure where in New England you are, but I highly recommend Famar in Medford, MA. They are a wholesaler of marble only, no granite. They also fabricate/install but you can use your own fabricator, which is what I did. From what I saw, their marble is all of very high quality. The owner comes from the town of Carrara, and he travels to Italy several times a year to select and purchase stone directly from the quarries. He was extremely knowledgeable and helpful. Unlike many of the people at other stoneyards I visited, he spent a lot of time with me pulling out numerous slabs for me to view and making suggestions.

There are photos of some of their inventory on their website.

Good luck!


Here is a link that might be useful:


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RE: If you could do it again...what WOULDN'T you do (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: buehl on 05.30.2009 at 10:52 pm in Kitchens Forum

To add more information to this thread, here are similar past threads:

Things I would NOT recommend or things I dislike!:

RE: Things I would NOT recommend or things I dislike! #2:

Now that I have [X], I think I could have lived without it.:

What do you wish you had done differently?:

What do you wish you had done differently? [Part 2]:


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RE: What goes where? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: buehl on 06.01.2009 at 09:47 am in Kitchens Forum

Our trash pullout is next to our sink, on the opposite side from the DW. However, now that I've been working in the kitchen for almost a year, I realize that it's not the best location. If you only have one trash pullout, I've come to realize that the best location is in the prep area. I spend a lot more time prepping and use the trash on & off much more than at the sink...especially since we have a GD.

Ideally, I think a kitchen should either have a trash pullout next to both the sink & prep space or one in each. If you cannot have the ideal, then having it in the prep zone is much more useful in the long run. Cleanup usually happens only once or twice a day for relatively short times...prepping is several times and for much longer periods and, like I mentioned earlier, produces much more trash than cleanup! (Remember the statistics of 70% of your time is spent prepping, 20% cleaning up, and 10% it makes sense that if you spend 70% of your time prepping, the prep zone would be a better location.)

My biggest regret in my kitchen is the trash pullout location!

Have you read the "Read Me" thread? The post titled "Planning For Storage" has a list of what generally gets stored in which zone.

Here is a link that might be useful: Read Me If You're New To GW Kitchens!


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RE: marble countertop hone or not to hone (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: erikanh on 04.17.2009 at 08:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

rubyvine, before I sealed my honed marble, it was indeed like a sponge ... water soaked right in! I sealed it myself with 511 Impregnator available from Home Depot ... easy process: spray on, rub in and wipe excess off. Now water and other liquids stay on the surface. I've spilled all kinds of stuff on it: coffee, tomato sauce, soy sauce ... some of the drips sat overnight ... and no stains.

I can't urge you strongly enough to get a good sized sample of the honed marble, seal it and then abuse it. Drip some lemon juice on it so that you'll know what etching looks like and whether or not you can tolerate it.

Good luck!



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RE: If you could do it again...what WOULDN'T you do (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: boxerpups on 05.31.2009 at 07:36 am in Kitchens Forum

I wish we had spent more, made my kitchen larger and found
GW sooner.

I know many on this site are just the opposite and find
they are over budget. But, my DH and I are TOO Careful! We
only pay cash for things (including our house) and we live
in the one of the wealthiest towns in our state. Issues
scared me in the process of my reno. The economy, my own
job, losses in the stock market Yet, this was the time to
hire eager workers.

I realize I should have consulted this site sooner. I
should have posted my house floor plan and gotten some
great ideas from some intelligent people on GW. Finding it
too late. When I see Remodelfl, Buehl, Bluekitobsessed,
Rhome410, Erikanh, livewireoak, sweeby, mamadadapaige,
Chloe'smom and many more share ideas on layout, kitchen
functions and design. I wish I could gotten their help
on my own place.

I am happy my DH acted as GC. It gave us the A la carte
options rather than have another person accept those bids.


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RE: Already blew my cabinet budget, WWYD? (Follow-Up #19)

posted by: buehl on 03.29.2009 at 01:51 am in Kitchens Forum

We had the same problem w/our, where did we cut costs?

First, I changed my door style...I went from the most expensive to one of the least expensive. BUT, the drawer fronts & door frames were identical in both styles so I was OK with the change (not thrilled, but OK). Most of my cabinets are drawers anyway, so I got the basic look I wanted. [The main difference b/w the door styles was the center panel...the expensive one had a raised center panel, the less expensive had a flat center panel...but the frames were the same in both styles.]

Next, we eliminated the BS for now.

Then, we eliminated the majority of decorative door end panels. The only ones we kept were on the back of the mini-peninsula b/c one of the cabinets was facing there w/doors & a plain panel on the back of the other cabinet would look funny, if not ridiculous. (Our Pet Center cabinet was turned 90o so it open from the back of the peninsula.)

We also eliminated furniture base, eliminated the Bread Box insert (saved >$300!), and did NOT get our glass for the glass doors & shelves from the cabinet company. We also switched to a stock cabinet for our PR instead of the semi-custom we originally planned on. There were a couple of other things here & there. In the end, we brought our cabinet + BS price down by well over $5,000 (overall we cut out over $7,000...but that included non-cabinet & non-BS reductions as well.)

To decide what you can do to cut costs, I recommend asking yourself the following questions:

(1) What is not that important to me and doesn't add functionality? [Candidate for elimination altogether]

(2) What can I do at a later date? [Candidate for deferring until a later date]

(3) What can't be done at a later date and I can't live without? [Candidate for keeping and doing now]


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