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Seating Overhang & Overhang Support (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: buehl on 10.14.2014 at 06:40 pm in Kitchens Forum

Seating Overhang

Cal_quail is correct. The minimum recommended seating overhang for counter-height seating is 15" - and that's 15" of clear knee/leg space. I.e., after accounting for the finished end panel/decorative door on the back of the island cabinets. That "est 10" is probably more like 9".

So, the depth of the island should be at least 41.5":

1.5" of overhang in front of the cabinets + 24" deep cabinets +
1" decorative door/finished end panel + 15" of overhang = 41.5"

Supports for the Seating Overhang

Follow the "6 & 10 Rule"

  • For 3cm stone: any overhang > 10" will need a corbel or other support. How much?
    Overhang inches - 10" = # inches for support
  • For 2cm stone: any overhang > 6" will need a corbel or other support. How much?
    Overhang inches - 6" = # inches for support

....with a corbel or support every 30" of unsupported overhang (linear distance)

If you don't want corbels or legs, consider the "CounterBalance" system instead.

Here's a thread that discusses the "rule" and describes what can be done for support (with pictures!):
granite fabrication questions..what do you think!


clipped on: 10.20.2014 at 12:43 am    last updated on: 10.20.2014 at 12:43 am

The Most Half-a$$ed Reveal Ever

posted by: danielleg on 01.08.2014 at 01:31 pm in Kitchens Forum

Am I gonna get banned for that title? I hope not.

Hello everyone. I'm strictly a lurker around these parts...more active in the Home D�cor forum (if you can call what I do over there "active"). I had big plans for this reveal. Big plans. I was gonna go buy flowers...and go down to the little butcher shoppe that sells organic milk in those cute little glass bottles...and put cookies under my cake dome...and generally stage this place to within an inch of its life. But, then I didn't.

I am in a major rut. Is it possible to have a midlife crisis at 34? I just don't have any energy right now. I'm just outside of Boston, so seasonal depression may very well be a factor in this. Regardless, I did want to document my finished kitchen somehow, for the sake of posterity. So, here is the one picture I have of it so far (which is really just a cell phone pic I sent to my mother). Sorry for being such a wet rag. I need some encouragement to finish this job.

If anyone would like info on any of the details, just ask. This was what I would call a high/low reno. The cabinets, countertops and stools are all from Ikea. Most of the appliances are Jenn Air, except for the range, which is the 48" Wolf DF. I really am gonna try to get some more pics. I was pleasantly surprised by our hardware (Amerock), so at the very least I'll try to get a close up of them. Thanks for "listening" to me vent like a crazy woman.

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clipped on: 01.29.2014 at 12:31 am    last updated on: 01.29.2014 at 12:31 am

shade of white subway tile backsplash with white cabinets

posted by: polie on 01.26.2012 at 09:50 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm trying to decide whether the shade of white subway tile for the backsplash should as closely match the shade of the white cabinets as possible or whether the tiles should be a lighter or darker shade of white than the white cabinets.

One person has advised going with a darker shade of white for the tiles, otherwise, he says a brighter white for the tiles would make the cabinets look "dirty." I'm now thinking, well, if I went down that path, wouldn't the cabinets make the backsplash look dirty? I definitely want some shade of white for the subway tiles for the backsplash. That much, I'm sure.

Any suggestions about the shade of white for the backsplash vs. the cabinets? Thank you.


clipped on: 08.21.2013 at 01:23 am    last updated on: 08.21.2013 at 01:23 am

Tile store recommendations for San Jose area

posted by: lalitha on 07.09.2012 at 05:05 pm in Kitchens Forum

any recommendations for tile stores in San Jose area specifically for ceramic backsplash/ bathroom tiles. I have seen Fireclay and Tile Fantastic at Bascom. Also have seen Porcelenosa (too modern for my house) and Bedrosians. Of these, the only ones with nicer choices in subway tiles were Tile Fantastic and Fireclay. Where do you all buy the gorgeous subways?



clipped on: 09.19.2012 at 12:53 am    last updated on: 09.19.2012 at 12:53 am

White kitchen help please

posted by: Laberglund on 06.15.2012 at 10:41 am in Kitchens Forum

Trying to figure out the best color for my new kitchen.
I have it narrowed down to:
BM white dove
BM simply white
BM cloud white

I went into the store thinking I was going to for sure go with white dove, since so many here have used it and have such gorgeous kitchens. However, when I hold the white dove up, it seems a little cool to me, and I was really wanting a warm, softer creamy kitchen that reads white, not too ivory. The lady at the store told me to look at it in the light of my own kitchen, but that's not possible since we're a new build, and my kitchen doesn't exist yet.
For those of you who used one of the three colors above, what made you choose it over the rest of the hundreds of whites out there?
For what it's worth, we're using a dark chocolate brown hickory floor, and most likely using a black laminate on the perimeter cabs. I haven't decided on the island will either be white as well, or possibly an espresso stain. We have one 36" window that faces north.

Thanks for any thoughts/help you can give. (And I realize that colors can be messed up royally on the computer screen, but I LOVE looking at pictures of white kitchens, so if you feel like posting a few, I wouldn't mind!!).


clipped on: 07.21.2012 at 12:30 am    last updated on: 07.21.2012 at 12:31 am

Kitchen finished! White cabs, quartzite, leathered black. Whew!

posted by: babs711 on 07.14.2012 at 12:25 am in Kitchens Forum

We moved into our new build about three weeks ago. While I say the kitchen (and house) are complete, some things are missing that need to be done like counter stools that aren't here yet, a window seat cushion, upholstered chairs at the table that will be ordered, BLADES for the living room ceiling fan that aren't in yet. I've hardly hung a thing on the walls and am working on window treatments now. You get the picture! But we're in! And the months of planning and stewing are over! So here are some pics of the kitchen/dining/living room. I'm sure I'll have updates as I go.

Cabinets: Eudora Frameless
Island countertop: White Macaubus Quartzite
Perimeter countertop: Leathered Absolute Black Granite
Sink: Kohler Riverby Cast Iron
Faucet: Moen Woodmere in Stainless
Hardware on solid doors/drawers: Amerock Highland Ridge in polished nickel
Glass knobs and Bin Pulls in polished nickel: Van Dyke's
Range & Dishwasher: Thermador
Refrigerator: Kitchenaid Pro
Refrigerator Drawers: Electrolux
Sharp Microwave Drawer

Close up of the tile. It's hard to get an accurate color since it's so glossy. It's more blue/green than portrayed in pics:

I was standing on a chair when I took this. I feel like it makes the dining table look like toy furniture! Ha!

Behold...the unfinished bar and the fan with no blades. We live in the deep judging the fan! Behind those closed doors lies my DH's very unfinished man cave.

And you'd know that the day after I took these, my new sofa cushion inserts came in. It's all fluffy and new looking again. Oh well!

The Pantry is actually the same color as the entry you see right past the range wall in the kitchen (BM Gray Wisp). But I didn't use a flash so it looks funky here:


open plan, backsplash, island size
clipped on: 07.17.2012 at 11:44 pm    last updated on: 07.17.2012 at 11:45 pm

Benjamin Moore natural wicker/bone white cabinet color?

posted by: geomeg on 07.03.2012 at 03:08 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi everyone,

I'm still undecided about the cabinet color....

Someone posted a link to Shanghaimom's stunning kitchen in another thread and I loved the color of her cabs which is bone white aka natural wicker.

Does anyone else have cabs this color?

I bought a little sample of the paint but it seems darker in my tiny kitchen than in the pics of Shanghaimom`s fabulous kitchen...

Any other color in BM that looks like this? It could be my lighting or lack of too...


clipped on: 07.06.2012 at 01:04 am    last updated on: 07.06.2012 at 01:04 am

What goes with cream? Cabinet color surprise...

posted by: maramara on 06.30.2012 at 11:55 am in Kitchens Forum

My "off white" cabinets arrived and are far more cream colored than I expected. They are almost yellowish in certain lights. I had planned jet mist counter and subway tile back splash- white, smokey grey or marble. Can I still do these colors with cream cabnitets? Or does anyone have suggestion for a better match with cream cabinets?


clipped on: 06.30.2012 at 09:55 pm    last updated on: 06.30.2012 at 09:55 pm

Ranking semi-custom kitchen cabinets

posted by: pianist on 06.25.2012 at 04:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

I am wondering whether anyone would be willing to share their ideas re. mid-range semi custom cabinets. My husband and I are at a place in the decision making process where we are not even sure what is considered to be mid-range anymore. We did a major renovation and remodel a few years ago when we lived in the midwest, and our cabinets were Plain and Fancy. We considered that to be upper middle. Gorgeous!!!

We've since survived corporate downsizing ('adjusting to scale' was the term they used, lol!) and are settling into life here in the northeast. However, none of the kitchen designers seem able to actually tell us whether their cabinets are somewhere in the middle of mid-range. I did see a list of cabinet rankings here on GW, but it is outdated. I am curious to know whether anyone has experience with any of these cabinets:

Wellborn Forest

We're trying to stay beneath the Plain and Fancy priceline, but at the same time, it's difficult to assess where these other cabinets rank in terms of overall quality, including all wood construction, minimal add-on fees for soft glide close, stain, etc. and overall appearance. Both of the KD's we have seen seem to be pushing cabinets we are not so keen on: Showplace, KraftMaid, Narrow River, as well as Wellborn Forest and Woodland. We are willing to pay for quality, but I think they are being pressured to promote whatever is 'on sale' right now. Hence, they are really waving the flags for Showplace, Wellborn Forest and Woodland. We'd love to be wrong about this ... any input is gratefully accepted!


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Show me your white cabinets & post the color please!

posted by: hobokenkitchen on 04.28.2012 at 05:02 pm in Kitchens Forum

I was just reading the recent thread on which shade of white everyone used for their white cabinets, and I was thinking how much easier it would be if there were pics of them.

I also know how invaluable I found the thread on aisle widths and island sizes with all the pics.

So...... if you have white cabinets and you know which color white you used, please post a pic or two of your cabs along with the color for those of us struggling with the 'which shade of white' color choice.

We popped in to talk to our cabinet maker thismorning and were looking at some samples - it's odd how difficult a decision picking a white can be! : )

Thanks so much!


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RE: super white quartzite irl--omg!!!!!!!!! (Follow-Up #48)

posted by: juniork on 03.24.2011 at 02:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

breezy, and all of you in the SF bay area, I just came upon this at Bedrosian's, in San Jose. My contractor just gave me their name. Most of my basic tile, etc, I'm going to go to that place the contractors go selection, but excellent pricing, but he says that Bedrosian's sometimes has good clearance sales.

Super White
Type: Slab - Granite

Thickness: 2cm - $26.00 S/F
Thickness: 3" - $35.63 S/F
Thickness: 2cm - $26.00 S/F
Thickness: 3cm - $35.63 S/F


Also - Terico Tile and DaVinci Marble mentioned in Bay Area
clipped on: 01.11.2012 at 01:05 am    last updated on: 03.27.2012 at 12:22 am

My finished kitchen (lots of pics)

posted by: Staceydux on 03.18.2012 at 02:15 pm in Kitchens Forum

I finally got around to taking pics of my kitchen. Unfortunately, I lost my nice camera during the renovation so these pics are taken with my old Blackberry. The quality does not do the kitchen justice. Anyway, here are the details:
1)Kitchen designer - The Cabinetry in Hingham, MA (Marlene was awesome to work with)
2)Contractor-Bob Burr Remodeling in Carver, MA
3)Cabinets - Perimeter cabinets by Medallion style Potter's Mill in Divinity. 2 Islands by Medallion, style Potter's Mill in Cherry with a Wheat finish.
4)Refrigerator - Thermador built-in 36 inch - paneled
5)Oven-GE Profile
6)Cooktop - Thermodor 5 burner
7)Hood- By XO
8)Trash Compactor-Kitchen Aid - paneled
9)Dishwasher - Kitchen Aid (we already had the DW)
10)Microwave Drawer by Sharp
11)Sink by Artisan - love this huge modern double sink
12)Faucet by Grohe
13)Pulls by Atlas - Sutton Place in Polished Chrome
14)Knobs by Atlas - Sutton Place Square Knobs in Polished Chrome
15)Counterop-Polished Colonial Gold Granite
16)Pendants over large island from Lowes (can't remember make)
17)Light over small island - by Solaris
18)Backsplash-White subway tiles by Oceanside glass in iridescent color Oxygen.
19)Backsplash color tiles - by Sonoma Tile - Style Vihara in Kahuna - iridescent tiles
20)Counter stools by New Pacific style Dylan in Creme. I need 1 more but this color has been discontinued.
21)Paint Color-Walls are Benjamin Moore in Feather Gray; Trim is Benjamin Moore custom color to match cabinets.
22)The legs next to the sink and on the island were ordered from the KD. Not sure of who makes them.

I think that covers it. Again, the pictures are poor quality because my phone takes poor pictures.

These were my helpers and troublemakers through the entire renovation:

This is 1 of 2 islands. This is the smaller island and is used for prep work:


This is the larger of the 2 islands. My husband, kids and I spend most of our time at this island. It's 9 feet. We still need 1 more counterstool:




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Frameless full overlay

posted by: red_lover on 03.13.2012 at 01:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

Are frameless full overlay cabinets generally contemporary in appearance?

Please show me pictures of your frameless full overlay kitchens, especially if you have inset uppers.



good pics of full overlay
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RE: Seen Your Kitchen, What's the Rest of Your House Look Like? P (Follow-Up #73)

posted by: sidney4 on 01.19.2012 at 06:02 pm in Kitchens Forum

menmsmom, thank you so much. The exterior colors are Clay (porch ceiling,lighter trim), Bronze (dark trim around doors). The shake siding is Certainteed Rustic Blend. The front door is a Pella Door. The stain was mixed to match our garage door. I think it was a mahogany stain but not sure.

Interior colors are all SW. The MB is Hearth which is part of the discontinued Martha Stewart line but I like it so much my local store continues to mix it for me. The den and fireplace wall is SW Portico. The Kitchen and rest of the GR is Wool idea I stole from bigkahuna on the builders forum. You should check out some of the homes he's built!

Sochi,I'm pretty sure I've already gushed a time or two over pics of your house. Perfect, perfect perfect. Even your worst room looks pretty good IMHO.

I agree with sochi that we should show the good with the bad. Here's one of my next projects.......

Lower level family room.


Site of future wet bar:


OK, all of you out there with magazine worthy us the "other rooms"!


paint colors/front door for this member earlier in thread
clipped on: 03.12.2012 at 01:04 am    last updated on: 03.12.2012 at 01:04 am

Counter-height window - is this a good thing?

posted by: laurajane02 on 03.02.2012 at 09:44 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi again!

So we're meeting with our contractor today and I want to discuss a few framing changes with him. We've already decided to recess the fridge and center the kitchen window.

Our kitchen window is 6' long. I'd like to consider making this window counter-height (bigger, not just lower) and bumping it out about 6-8 inches to increase the depth of my counter space without increasing the footprint of our house. This would also solve my window trim issue.

Anyway, would this be a good move? Is it something that the TKO would recommend?

Here's a 3-D of our kitchen to give you an idea:

Thanks for your inputs!


clipped on: 03.05.2012 at 06:52 pm    last updated on: 03.05.2012 at 06:52 pm

Finished Kitchen (+1 Year)- White / Marble / Mahogany / Soapstone

posted by: i_m_fletcher on 03.01.2012 at 07:31 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Everyone-

Some of you might recall me, I posted my almost finished kitchen about a year ago. We recently had some new photos taken when our architect hired a pro for the day for a shoot. I figured I'd pay everyone a visit and share the new photos since my old ones were incomplete. The old thread is to old to be revived, so I'll try to repost the old original post below my new one for context as well. Hope you enjoy!

As I posted in my original thread, thank you to everyone who has posted here - your amazing example kitchens as well as your willingness to answer any questions was THE source for our ideas.

Money Shot:

Kitchen Island:

Sink View:


Fridge / Pantry:

Fridge / Pantry Revealed:

Bar Area:

Pantry / Freezer:


Kitchen Design Summary:

  • Cabinets: Painted Maple built by local cabinet maker - local is a suburb southwest of Boston. Inset doors, self closing drawers. The finish is a sprayed on pre-cat lacquer that is tinted to match the BM Ivory White color.

  • Cabinet Options: Includes pull out trash drawer wtih two cans to the right of sink. "Magic Corner" pullout in corner of L perimeter cabinets. Wicker baskets underneath microwave for fruit / vegetable storage. Vertical dividers in cabinet above oven. Spice drawer insert in top left island drawer. Knife drawer insert in top drawer to the left of rangetop. Dish drawer inserts (pegboard with adjustable plate holding pegs) in island drawers. Utensil and gadget dividers in misc drawers. Specialized rack on dry good cabinet that allows for storage on dor but puts weight in cabinet carcass.

  • Colors: Walls are Ben Moore Pittsfield Buff (HC-24) and the trim and cabinets are Ben Moore Ivory White (925).

  • Countertops: 3cm Calacatta Ruggine on perimeter, 5cm Utile Mahogany (edge grain butcher block) for island, 3cm Minas soapstone for pantry. Slab backsplash on perimeter is 2cm Calacatta Ruggine and slab backsplash for pantry is 2cm Minas soapstone.

  • Hardware: Mix of Restoration Hardware including Gillmore cup pulls (4in), Gillmore Knobs, Traditional Clear Glass Knobs and Bistro Pulls (8in and 6in). All hardware is polished nickel.

  • Lighting: Pendants are RH Clemson pendants in 14" size. General recessed lights are Cree CR6 LED lights. Oversink recessed lights are Cree LR4 LED lights. Undercabinet lights are xenon dimable light bars. In cabinet lights are xenon puck lights. all lights are dimmable.

  • Floor: Rift sawn white oak stained to match existing floor (seen in family room pictures.) Floor has radient heating underneath, hence the need for rift sawn.

  • Bar Stools: Pier One Mason Bar Stool in chocolate.

  • Rangetop: Wolf 48" gas open burner with grill and griddle. Model #RT484CG

  • Ventilation: Wolf 48" Pro Range insert in custom wood enclosure. Model #462212. Fan is 1200 cfm remote blower located on far side of garage (~20 ft connected by 10" duct.) Model #801642.

  • Ovens: Wolf E series double oven - convection on top, regular on bottom. Model #DO302FSTH

  • Dishwasher: Miele Optima II mounted to the right of the sink. Model #G2472SCVi

  • Fridge: Subzero 27" Integrated Fridge only - located on sink wall next to paired wall cabinet for dry good storage behind island. Model #700TRLH.

  • Pantry Fridge: Subzero 24" Undercounter Integrated Fridge located in pantry area on wall with freezer. Model #UC24R-LH.

  • Freezer: Subzero 27" Integrated Freezer only - located in pantry area. Model #700TFIRH.
  • Wine Cooler: Subzero Integrated full length wine fridge located in pantry area. Model #427GLH.

  • Microwave: Sharp R530 countertop microwave installed in custom enclosure within island. Cubbie for microwave is ~26" x 21" high.

  • Sink/Disposal: Franke Bowl and Half - model #PRX-120. Insinkerator Evolution Excell 1hp disposal. Bar sink is Franke KBX-110-13.

  • Faucets: Main sink faucet is Rohl U.4702 in polished nickel. Bar sink faucet is Rohl U.4759 in polished nickel. Filtered water faucet is Rohl A1365 in polished nickel.

  • Misc Appliances: Air Switch is Rohl polished nickel button with Insinkerator switch. Water filter is Watts Premiere UF3 from Costco.

  • Backsplash: once installed the backsplash will be Ann Sacks Glace tiles in Ice. The tiles will be 1x6 sticks in a running bond pattern.

  • Ceiling Speakers: 10" loudspeakers from Monoprice linked into Sonos wireless home music system (this system is amazing!)

I think that's everything... let me know if I've missed a feature someone wants to know more about. Hopefully this is useful for others that like me come here seeking input on designing their own space.


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RE: Pictures- small kitchen island with seating on end (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: boxerpups on 04.11.2010 at 10:32 am in Kitchens Forum


Hammerhead Remodeling

Country Living Mag


Islands 2

Kitchens SS

10K kitchen bud

128 Kitchen Art Apples

Okay this island is huge but the seating is on the


RDB Magazine

Hilton Head Kitchen Album


island seating pics
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Positano's Finished Costa Esmeralda Kitchen!!!

posted by: positano on 10.17.2010 at 02:33 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Everyone!
I am so happy to finally post my finished pictures. We were done with mostly everything in spring of 2009, but it took me so long to pick out a backsplash.I am glad I waited and got to live with the kitchen a bit. I chose a very neutral tile, so I can spice it up with accessories. I love to change my colors with the seasons. This is my fall kitchen with orange as the accent. For Christmas I add red, and for spring turqouise and yellow. I make inexpensive window treatments with fabric so I can change that out too.I didn't have time to do an orange window treatment before I took these photos. And I have to work on that wall with the black just feel down so it looks a little off!

I want to thank so many out there for your help!!! I couldn't have done it without you. If you can believe it I really wanted the marble, soapstone and white cabinets kitchen, but this one really goes with my home beautifully. Some of my inspirations were Mamadadapaige, GGLKS, Erikanh, blakey, and so many others!
This was done on a budget since this won't be our forever home. We took down a wall between a small kitchen and small dining room. Everyone said don't do it and lose your dining room, but I am so glad we did. It really changed the way we live in this house. We have a relatively small island and it is the most used piece in the kitchen. We love it!

Some of the details-
Costa Esmeralda granite
Adelphi cabinets in eggshell
Kitchenaid french door counter depth fridge
Kitchenaid dishwasher
Kitchenaid wine fridge
DCS gas 5 burner range
Kobe Range Hood
Delta Victorian Pull down faucet
Kichler undercabinet lighting
Island Pendants- Kitchler Industrial
Backsplash- Sonoma 2x6 tile in Krazy Krackle
Behind the range- Herringbone mosaic Krazy Krackle
Grout - Laticrete Antique White
Sink- Kindred
Harvest Pedestal Table-Pottery Barn
Parsons Chairs- PB
Bar Stools- 2 Schoolhouse and 1 saddle from PB
Drum Shade over table- Veraluz Tweed Shade
Floors- Oak with Minwax Special Walnut Stain
Paint- Crown Point Sand- Benjamin Moore

I have found my choice to be so easy to take care of. The granite hides things and doesn't show fingerprints. The stainless just needs a wipe with a wet microfiber every now and then followed by a dry one. And the wood floors have been much better than the white vinyl we had before.

Thanks again!! Maybe I will post more pictures thru the seasons when I change it up. There are lots of pictures, I tried to add some befores so you can see the change!
Click on the album for even more.

From Positano's Finished Kitchen

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Here is a link that might be useful: Positano's Finished Kitchen


wht cabs/costa esmerelda granite
combo kitchen/dining
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RE: Initial small kitchen layout - your comments requested. (Follow-Up #22)

posted by: annkathryn on 02.20.2012 at 03:18 pm in Kitchens Forum

I just revisited celineike's gorgeous kitchen and made a note of her dimensions. She has the seating on the end of the island, which makes a difference as well.

Apparently we have a small kitchen,lol... didn't think so til i got here either, it's 13'x12'
Island now measures 38"x 84"
walkways are 38" on sink side; 42" on oven side; and 36" on fridge side... all plenty wide, i was worried about pushing these measurements.

rosie you make great points - thanks! I passed them along to DH.

I tested out the 54" walkway in my current kitchen. I have a 37" peninsula so I measured out 54" from that to see how it felt. It did feel ample, and I can imagine if it was smaller I'd feel a little cramped if there were people sitting at the island and I was trying to get by to the fridge or oven.

I'm remembering my architect mentioning having to do something in the corner between the kitchen and dining room to hold up the 2nd floor addition. I'm not sure whether we can put a peninsula there after all. I'll talk to him about it. And I'll ask if that garage wall is load bearing.

Back to the math:

Steal 1' from the garage so that the room is 14' (168") in depth. Assume walls aren't wonky.

26" deep cabinets on the sink run
36" aisle between sink and island
30" island
46" aisle between island and garage wall
30" fridge and wall cabinets
Total = 168"

Here is a link that might be useful: White Zen kitchen


aisle measurements
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So Confused About Materials

posted by: sarapamela on 02.19.2012 at 06:45 am in Kitchens Forum

We are trying to decide what kind of crown molding and cabinets to put in our soon-to-be renovated kitchen. Different contractors offer different brands and types of cabinets, and I am hearing opposite things about the materials from each one. Can someone please give me impartial and accurate answers to the following questions about MDF, particle board, thermofoil, plywood, etc.?

Is a cabinet door made out of MDF really considered to be a solid wood door (as one builder tried to tell me)? How does MDF differ from particle board? Is one better than the other in a rather humid environment, or are they the same? I've heard that MDF and Thermofoil are sealed, so they won't absorb water like wood, and I've also heard the opposite. I've heard that MDF baseboards and crown molding look just as good as wood but are more flexible, so they work better and "line up" better on walls that aren't 100% straight/even....and also that wood is the only way to go. Needless to say, I am very confused.

I don't know if it matters that we want white cabinets. If we can get them, we'd like to have some w/ beadboard doors and others a simple door in the same color. (Even though the kitchen is small, I'm afraid all beadboard would look too busy.)

For the cabinet boxes, I assume plywood is stronger than the particle board. This is a vacation home, and we are on a budget, so I don't know if it is necessary to have the boxes made out of plywood, or is better to put the money into solid wood (maple?) doors and save some $ by using MDF or particle board boxes??? It seems that everyone wants to tell you that the type of cabinets they sell are the best....and that the crown moldings they use (wood vs. "man-made") are "the only way to go"!? I'm even getting conflicting information from reps who sell both solid wood and MDF and thermofoil, so I'd really appreciate hearing from those who can shed some light on all this for me!


cab and molding materials
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Pip's Finished Kitchen! Lots of pics

posted by: pip on 12.21.2010 at 08:34 pm in Kitchens Forum

Thanks to the many inspiring kitchens and knowledgeable people on this site, we just finished our 5 week remodel of our kitchen. The collective wisdom on this site helped us so much during the remodel!

The previous kitchen had been remodeled within the last 10 years, but it was separated from the rest of the home and lacked sufficient counter space for a family of four. We decided to tear down the wall that separated the kitchen and laundry room and expand into the dining room to give us more counter space. The windows in the corner were too low to run counters and that proved to be a design challenge. Instead of raising the windows which would have altered the architecture of the exterior of the home, we decided to make the area a banquette. We also moved the old doorway off the foyer and created two larger arches which open up the kitchen to the living and dining room.

The space was too small for an island, so we had our counter top fabricator make us a work table that is movable -- it has wheels and we can roll it out of the way if we want to open up the kitchen.

Cabinets - custom by Los Angeles cabinetmaker - maple shaker style (bar area is espresso finish)
Countertops - Madre Perla quartzite
Backsplash - White onyx staggered tile
Faucet - KWC Eve
Sink - Franke
All KitchenAid appliances, except for GE profile microwave Vent-a-hood
Lighting - onxy pendants purchased at Lighting Emporium
Pulls - Great Indoors
Floors - White Oak hardwoods to match the rest of the home
Paint- Martha Stewart "Fossil"




and, of course, a photo of Pip himself, enjoying his new kitchen...


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Is crackle a pattern?

posted by: linelle on 02.05.2012 at 04:31 pm in Kitchens Forum

Is crackle tile considered a pattern? There are two tiles I like very much and both happen to be crackles. The attached photo isn't rendering the tiles' color correctly, but it does show the crackle patterns next to my counter. I haven't decided on a backsplash yet, but I don't want to fall in love with a crackle (which is happening) if it's too busy with my quartz.

Rixi crema and Sonoma Ashbury chamomile:



crackle tile info/pricing
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Tell me why you love your range...

posted by: susanilz5 on 01.30.2012 at 12:29 am in Kitchens Forum

I'm in the market for a new range. I currently have a 30" GE Spectra which has a huge oven, but I will go up to a 48" if it meets my needs. I know I'll have to redo the cabinets and granite on that side of the kitchen, but I don't care. I need at least 2 or 3 two very powerful burners, one low or simmer burner, and I cook for a group of 30 about once every 8 weeks. We are empty nesters, but my kids keep calling and asking "what are you cooking this weekend?" which means that I cook for 15 almost every week.

I have an issue with my current arrangement, I need to use lots of large pots and there is not enough room on my burners to accomadate the 3 large pots I have on my 4 burners for a normal family dinner. I also need a very large oven that could hold a 27# turkey plus 4 caseroles, or a double oven. Wall ovens are not an option. A warming drawer would be nice, but I have one in my current GE Range and find that it dosen't work very well so I never use it. I really, really would like a self cleaning oven, I'm a slob and hate to clean the oven. I sear meat in large cast iron pans all the time and finish them in the oven, do a lot of stir fry cooking, and make huge pots of Sunday gravy, chili, stews and soups. My 7 year old grandaughter tells me I'm "the best cooker in the world and I should be a Chef when I grow up :) "Remember I am a slob, and cleaning ovens is not on my list of favorite things to do. What would you suggest? My ideal budget would be $6000.00, but I would go higher if that's what I need to do to make my life easier! Thanks you for your help!


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help please: delta or moen kitchen faucets

posted by: nald on 01.27.2012 at 10:54 am in Kitchens Forum


I need to make a decision ASAP. My contractor needs to know what faucet I am putting in my kitchen.
I can't decide between the Delta Venetian Bronze pull down faucet or the Oil Rubbed Bronze pull down faucet.
They both have lifetime warranties so that doesn't make it easier.
Any opinions would be appreciated.


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Cabinet Help - Mid range quality cabinet?

posted by: kluelesskitchens on 01.19.2012 at 10:13 am in Kitchens Forum

So...we set off on a simple project--let's reface our cabinets. Well, after a 20K quote for a 12x13 L kitchen with a 6' island, we decided that it made more sense to get new cabinets instead of reusing the old ones, which weren't that great of quality to begin with. This has now has led me to an all consuming search of trying to sort through the thousands of different brands of cabinets! Yikes! I had no idea this would be so difficult.

So, what I need help with is narrowing down my options to look at. I am looking for a nice, solid (all wood) cabinet, soft close doors and drawers, with quality finish that will stand up for awhile. Have a few bells and whistles in the design such as spice pullouts and pullout trays, but nothing too crazy. We are DIY'ers, so will be doing the install, etc. on our own. Not sure of the budget (there's some flexibility, but prefer to stay under 20K) as I'm trying to figure out the $$ to quality ratio!! This is where I'm at:

For the dimensions above (12x13 L kitchen with a 6' island), plus a 7 foot top and bottom wet bar, we received the following quotes:

First look was at a RTA (already assembled) Interlock cabinets was around $10,500. Doing a little more research, started to looked at semi-custom options and now have looked at three:
Lifetime: Around 11,500-12,000
Kabinart: Around 13K
Starmark: Around 21K

Can anyone offer some ideas of other cabinets I should look at. On my list yet to look is Medallion and Dewils.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!!


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I need a new faucet - Do you love yours?

posted by: kathec on 01.04.2012 at 11:06 am in Kitchens Forum

So I have some Christmas money and a new faucet is tops on my list. I know I want the following:

Pull down
Single hole
High Arch
Traditional Styling
Chrome, Stainless or Nickel
$350 or less

I've checked some out at the local big boxes, but it's hard to judge since they aren't hooked up to water. The options available now are staggering. Do I want a locking magnet? What about touch on/off? Spot free finish?
Over 10 years ago I had a Grohe Ladylux back when the the pull downs were still new on the market. I loved it, but only lived with it 3 years. I don't know how it performed over the long haul.

FWIW my sink is a 24" Ikea Domsjo.

More than likely, I'll be buying online. I'm hoping for glowing reviews so I can narrow down the field. Do you have one you really love? Or know which ones I should avoid?

Thank you again for all your help.


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Can anyone walk me through our GC meeting?

posted by: PAINTEDPEGGIES on 01.13.2012 at 09:47 am in Remodeling Forum

We are going next week to meet with him to begin our addition. I am sooo nervous; I have never had any big work done on any house, and I just really want to do it right.

We are closing in our two-story kitchen and building a master bedroom in the space above. We are also enlarging our upstairs hallway and adding a loft.

Any recommendations, suggestions, tips so it will go smoothly? I am new to this board but I have been perusing the threads and love all the suggestions and projects I have seen.
Thank you!


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Bay Area, CA custom cabs?

posted by: Love_Roma on 05.19.2011 at 01:12 am in Kitchens Forum

Looking to get another quote from a licensed cabinet maker in the Bay Area. The first one, the preferred vendor of our GC seems a little pricey, and we'd like to compare. There are so many horror stores of terrible cabinetry places, so first hand knowledge from anyone on GW would be awesome!


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Modern California Bungalow Kitchen: Finally finished!

posted by: artemis78 on 10.28.2011 at 02:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

Okay, I might be using "finished" a little liberally"we're still not FKB ready and have a bunch of loose ends to finish up"but for all practical purposes, the remodel of the kitchen in our 1915 Arts and Crafts bungalow in Oakland, California is finally finished! Photos and details below. This was a partial DIY remodel, but we also relied on lots of wonderful tradespeople over the course of the project. I'm including the names of SF Bay Area contractors and vendors we especially enjoyed working with, since I found this information super useful when others posted it. If anyone is local and wants more info, just shoot me an email.

Cabinets: Custom, mix of flush inset and frameless (Martin Bernardo of California Kitchens & Furniture in Redwood City)
Colors: Benjamin Moore Aura in Acadia White (trim and inset cabinets), Sea Haze (frameless cabinets), and Wales Green (walls)"cabinets/trim are satin finish and walls are eggshell
Hardware (frameless): Rejuvenation Mission D pulls in polished nickel
Hardware (inset): 2" ball-tip hinges in polished nickel from Horton Brasses, small latches and Mission D pulls in polished nickel from Rejuvenation Hardware, and large bin pulls in polished nickel from Belmont Hardware in Berkeley.
Lights: Schoolhouse Electric Newbury (ceiling) and Union (over table) in antique black and Rejuvenation Skidmore (over sink) in polished nickel, all with shades from Schoolhouse
Counters: Barroca soapstone (M. Teixeira in SF) and beech butcher block (IKEA Numerar finished with low-VOC Waterlox)
Backsplash: Lanka Aquarello subway tile in frost with black 1/4" pencil liner (Tileshop in Berkeley and Art Tile in Oakland)
Shelves: IKEA Ekby brackets with douglas fir steps trimmed to fit (very creative thinking by Piedmont Lumber in Oakland!)
Flooring: Marmoleum Click tile in Eternity, Silver Shadow, and Volcanic Ash (Anderson Carpet & Linoleum in Oakland)
Range: O'Keefe and Merritt High-Vue 535 (existing)
Dishwasher: Miele Inspira G2142SCWH (Universal AKB in LA)
Hood: 36" Kobe RA094 (also Universal)
Sink: Kohler Cape Dory in white (plumbed by Ed at Bonafide Plumbing in Alameda"highly recommend!)
Faucet: Chicago Faucets 540 ( in Chico)
Refrigerator: Kenmore/Whirlpool model circa 1996 (existing, of course!)"will eventually be replaced with 36" counter-depth model

Island is temporary from the old kitchen, but is IKEA's Bekvam kitchen cart (love this; wish they made a bigger table version!) We will be replacing it with a 2' x 4' (or thereabouts) work table, hopefully with the same basic design. Table/shelves/shoe rack are also temporary while we figure out what to do there; no clue where they're from.

We were working with a huge-to-us-but-not-to-contractors budget of $30K that had to cover some significant structural work (most systems had not been touched since 1940 or before), so we had to make some tradeoffs along the way to keep costs in check. We managed to come in just under budget"woohoo!

While this remodel only took about three weeks of actual contractor work days (with some trades overlapping), it dragged out over several months, largely because by the end, we got DIY renovation fatigue and slowed to a snail's pace. The biggest delay was that we seriously underestimated how long the DIY tasks (painting, flooring, range hood + venting, sink install, tiling, a few others) would take us, since we were primarily just working weekends and learning on the fly. (This is also why we still have no floor thresholds and you shouldn't look too closely at the paint, which still needs touch ups in many spots...)

Our goals:

  • Add more contiguous and useful counter space
  • Add a dishwasher and ventilation for the stove
  • Reconnect kitchen with rest of house as far as light/flow"1939 remodel had cut off visual/physical connection between backyard and living areas
  • Create better flow in the kitchen and connect the breakfast room to the main kitchen, but preserve its separate function
  • Create a designated space for shoes, coats, and muddy dogs
  • Return the kitchen to an aesthetic more appropriate to the age of the house (a traditional and relatively well-preserved 1915 California Arts and Crafts bungalow)
  • Allow swinging door to swing into the kitchen, which it hadn't been able to do in decades

What we did:

  • Removed clay chimney flue (original to house and serving the stove, water heater, and furnace"latter two had to be moved or replaced as part of the project to meet current code)
  • Removed partition wall added in 1939 remodel
  • Removed moulding added in 1939 remodel and replaced with moulding matched to original
  • Removed ceramic tile floor; replaced with Marmoleum Click tile floating floor to lower overall floor height while preserving fir subfloor
  • Repaired plaster, leveled ceiling, rehabbed windows, and replaced all cabinetry and fixtures

Lots more to say on all of this so I'll put that into a separate reply to keep it simple. But here's the important stuff: the pics!

The old kitchen (second kitchen for our old house, last renovated in 1939 with a 2007 seller facelift):

The new kitchen:


redwood city custom cabs
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HELP me interview a General Contractor

posted by: athomesewing on 12.20.2011 at 06:32 pm in Kitchens Forum


We are trying to get going, so have had two companies over so far to make proposals regarding our kitchen remodel.

Our idea is to take down a wall dividing the kitchen/family room, tear out a large pantry, take out a window and change the cabinetry layout.

Tomorrow, First up for In-Depth Interview:

A General Contractor with a storefront. They've been doing kitchen remodels in the area for over 10 years, all work completed by their employees. They handle everything from design through installation, including building the cabinets. They have worked up some complimentary layout ideas for us to see tomorrow which I imagine will make the one I worked on for a year look simply silly.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable handing control over to one company.

What do you think, and WHAT should we be asking during this interview?


picking gc
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A belated thank you & Pics of our finished fitchen

posted by: mitri89 on 08.28.2011 at 01:25 pm in Kitchens Forum

We've been in our home for over a year now, and I don't think I ever got around to posting finished pics of our kitchen here. I know I sure enjoyed and found it helpful to look at others' finished pics, so I want to share ours in case it could help someone else. I also wanted to say a big Thank You to all of you who helped with friendly advice and opinions. I have a warm spot in my heart for this forum and am so happy I found it in time while we were building.

We've been so pleased with how our house turned out, and I especially love the kitchen. It's the heart of our home, and it's not only beautiful and homey in my eyes but has also proven to be very practical and functional with our large family. I can't think of much I'd do differently, especially considering we did this well within our budget! Some of my favorite things about it are....

Creamy white lacquered cabinets(SW Dover White) - they're custom hard maple and are holding up beautifully. They're durable, and wiping them down is a breeze.

Silgranit sinks - Love having a big single and a 2nd sink in the island - both get used daily, and the silgranit cleans up so nice!

Stainless appliances - KA fridge and dw, Bosch ovens, and Dacor gas cooktop - All have been great and have NOT been hard to keep clean. I use a stainless cleaner on them that actually repels prints for several days in between cleaning.

Step in pantry - I love the cute door and love the storage inside.

Danze faucets & pot filler

The layout - I would've totally flubbed up had it not been for you all pointing out flaws with our initial plan. So, so glad you enlightened us, so we could improve with what we had to work with. It's a very functional layout even when several of us are in there cooking/cleaning at once. Thanksgiving was at our house last year, and it was awesome!

MW in the island - Great so the kids can make things for themselves, and nice for shortie(5'2") me so I don't have to reach high. Would totally do this again!

Lots of smooth gliding deep drawers - love having our plates, pots and pans, and baking goods(flour, sugar, etc) in deep drawers. It's so much easier than doors!

Love my little "baking center" between the fridge & ovens. At the advice on here we made the counter extra deep here which allowed the fridge to have a built in look for a budget price, and the extra deep counter is great when cutting cookies/rolling out dough.

The wood floors - They're 4" white oak planks. This might be my single favorite thing about our house. I was a little nervous about having wood in a kitchen, but it is the EASIEST thing to keep up with and feels nice underfoot. We bought a good cordless stick vac(Hoover Linx) to use after meals, and once a week or so we use Bona cleaner with a mop.

Lighting - love having lots of lights and all on dimmers

Hope I didn't bore anyone with my comments! Now onto the pictures...



















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How to reduce cabinet quote? What to eliminate?

posted by: minty19 on 11.18.2011 at 10:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

My cabinet quote is a few $K too high and wondering how to reduce the price without giving up too much of the extras...
I want painted inset doors and won't compromise on that.

My KD is suggesting eliminating the glass doors and end panels, and subbing doors for drawers in several places.. I'm getting confused about which upcharges cost the most $$. Are there easier things to give up than others? Any regrets?


cabinet cost options
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RE: Help finishing kitchen design...please! (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: live_wire_oak on 12.07.2011 at 12:21 pm in Kitchens Forum

You need some color in there. I like the marble, and it's pretty, but with the vast amount of white cabinetry you have, it's too much cold white for me. I'd pick something more warm and colorful that goes with your other choices like Costa Smeralda granite, and pick another color cabinetry to mix in with the white for the perimeter. Kraftmaid's Willow or Vintage Sage would be something to throw into the mix that would work well with your choices. Maybe do the glass cabinet area and range hood in the Sage or Willow and use your backsplash choice with the green bamboo for the whole area.


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Acadia white cabinets vs linen white . . . thoughts!

posted by: athensmomof3 on 12.03.2011 at 06:02 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have to pick my cabinet color by Monday and the paint store closed today at lunch, 15 minutes before I got there. Based on my fan deck, I have narrowed it down to Linen White (which I have in my current house master bed and bath) or Acadia white, which looks like a lighter version. The linen white has yellowed over time, which oil paint will, so I would like to take this into account. Both Benjamin Moore. I also like Ivory White, but read somewhere it is the same as Acadia white :).

I am concerned Linen white is a little too creamy for me - we will have a walnut (dark) island but white marble perimeter. . . no gray in the marble though. I love cream and a crisp white together so maybe it will be fine, but think acadia is the safer choice - even though I haven't even seen it except on the swatch!

Do any of you have Acadia? Do you like it? Any funny undertones? I read somewhere it had a pink undertone but I 'don't see it - if it does that wouldn't work for my house though!


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Almost Finished- Light and Dark Kitchen with White Alaska Granite

posted by: brianadarnell on 12.03.2011 at 10:25 am in Kitchens Forum

First of all, thank you to everyone who contributed so much to this kitchen. I learned so much and made so many wise decisions because of information I gained on this site. I found this site just as our new build construction began and was able to utilize all of the wonderful information into my kitchen design for function, even though I already knew exactly how I wanted the kitchen to look.

We ended up completing the house project ourselves so finalizing the kitchen and getting settled has taken some time. Hosting Thanksgiving for 14 was a major catalyst in the effort to at least get our main floor permanently decorated. Now the only thing missing is the barstools!

from the great room
Side by Side Refrigerator- Love it. I hated the previous french door refrigerator we had. So happy to go to the side by side.
Angled Corner cabinet- I know these aren't popular, but the storage is fabulous for all of our stemware.
Cabinet on the back of the island- its amazing how much fits under there!
Microwave cabinet- Since we don't use the microwave that often, I'm glad we hid it. With our open floor plan, I didn't want it visible from the great room and dining room except when in use.
5 Piece Drawer Heads- these were an upgrade, but I love the way they look.
Drawers, Drawers, Drawers- Love them! I had a lot of drawers in our old house and went with all drawers this time except for the sink base and the corner susan.
Pantry- Custom designed the shelf layout.
Lower Corner Cabinet-
Dining Room Table- just off the kitchen. Thanks for your help on selecting the table. It was delivered just a few days before Thanksgiving. It has one more leaf that we take out for everyday use.

Some details:
Kitchenaid Appliances-
Refrigerator: KSC525MVMK
Wine Cooler: KURG24RWBS
Dishwasher:KUDE40FXSS panel ready
Range: KDRS467VSS
Lights: International Lighting 23341057 London Mist Four Light Seedy Glass Bell Pendant
Backsplash- Horus Cristalli Crackle Subway in Bianco
Knobs and Pulls: Alno Creative Inc knobs:ALN56206 1 1/4" / pulls 3 1/2" cup pulls solid brass in barcelona finish ALN56510
Faucet- Moen Brantford in Stainless
Disposal- Insinkerator Evolution Series
Sink- Blanco Silgranit in Biscuit with Offset drain Diamond Single Basin #440196
Granite- White Alaska/Delicatus
Cabinets- Brookhaven in Antique White for Perimeter and Matte Brown with black glaze for the island. Door style is edgemount recessed
Floors- 5" wide white oak quartersawn vertical grain with glitza (no stain)


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