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First posting of GW's 'willow water' links.

posted by: albert_135 on 01.30.2010 at 01:06 pm in Tips & Techniques Forum

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Container Soil Basics: a compilation

posted by: lathyrus_odoratus on 07.14.2009 at 08:36 pm in Container Gardening Forum

I just reviewed all 8 threads in the Container Soil/Retention series started by Tapla aka Al. I realized that many questions kept getting asked over and over. It's hard to wade through all those posts! I thought we might try to make it a bit easier for Al, justaguy, or anyone else answering questions about these mixes. Please, Al and justaguy, correct any mistakes I've made.

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clipped on: 10.09.2012 at 09:39 pm last updated on: 02.16.2013 at 02:39 pm

the best potting mix ?

posted by: myth111 on 03.26.2009 at 11:51 pm in Fuchsia Forum

hi
what is the best type of potting mix for fuchsias?
I have heard many variations on what fuchsias like but what works well?

thanks

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RE: Do Hummingbirds like bougainvillea? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: LCnpsl on 02.07.2013 at 09:11 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

As an aside, four o'clocks are hummingbird food, but I never see them listed. I grew up having hummingbirds buzzing around our four o'clocks in central Florida. A lot of people don't like them because they are prolific seeders and not fussy about where they live, but as a beginning gardener, I like that! And they smell nice, too. :)

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RE: New to Hummingbirds (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: penny1947 on 04.22.2009 at 08:58 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I tend to disagree with carolreese on the sugar content. On the whole the sugar content averages in the mid 20's. Some flowers are in the low 30's

The following readings were done by Nancy Newfield who has worked with hummers, banding, training, giving specialized presentations and writing books and papers on hummingbirds for over 20 yrs. To my knowldege Nan has never had a reading in the 40% or higher range.

Lonicera sempervirens - 1 flower yielded about 12 ╡L of 23.2% nectar.
Eranthemum pulchellum - 5 flowers yielded about 5 ╡L of 21.6% nectar.
Calliandra haematocephala - 1 flower yielded about 4 ╡L of 19.6% nectar.
Cuphea llavea - 1 flower yielded about 15 ╡L of 32+% nectar.
Callistemon citrinus- 1 flower yielded about 8 ╡L of 8.0% nectar.
Fuchsia [heat tolerant] - 1 flower yielded about 5 ╡L of 21.4% nectar.
Cuphea schumannii - 1 flower yielded about 18 microliters [╡L] of 29.2% nectar.
Cuphea micropetala - 1 flower yielded more than 50 microliters [╡L] of 29.8% nectar.
Aesculus pavia v pavia - 1 flower yielded about 12 microliters [╡L] of 32.0+% nectar.
Erythrina 'Bidwillii' - 1 flower yielded about 60 microliters [╡L] of 26.2% nectar.
Lonicera sp or hybrid [pink] - 7 flowers yielded about 8 ╡L of 26.0% nectar.
Salvia guaranitica 'Van Remsen' - 2 flowers yielded about 8 microliters [╡L] of 28.6% nectar.
Abutilon pictum - 1 flower yielded about 390 ╡L of 22.4% nectar.
Justicia brandegeana - 5 flowers yielded about 18 ╡L of 25.2% nectar.
Russelia equisetiformis [red] - 3 flowers yielded about 12 microliters [╡L] of 32+% nectar.
Russelia equisetiformis [yellow] - 3 flowers yielded about 12 ╡L of 32+% nectar.
Salvia coccinea [pure white] - 10 flowers yielded about 10 microliters [╡L] of 30.1% nectar.
Salvia coccinea [red] - 5 flowers yielded about 15 ╡L of 29.0% nectar.
Salvia coccinea 'Susan's Pinkish Lavender' - 8 flowers yielded about 8 ╡L of 26.0% nectar.
Salvia coccinea 'Bicolor' - 7 flowers yielded about 15 ╡L of 23.6% nectar.
Salvia iodantha - 10 flowers yielded about 12 ╡L of 20.8% nectar.
Salvia 'Anthony Parker' - 10 flowers yielded about 10 ╡L of 30.6% nectar.
Justicia carnea - 2 flowers yielded about 30 ╡L of 25.2% nectar.
Cuphea llavea - 1 flower yielded about 20 ╡L of 26.6% nectar.
Agastache 'Tutti Frutti' - 16 flowers yielded about 5 ╡L of 29.6% nectar.
Sinningia sellovii - 1 flower yielded about 40 ╡L of 32+% nectar.

These readings were taken over a period from last May until the present.

I don't believe that more is better. Hummers have survived since the beginning of time on flower nectar that falls within the 3:1 and 5:1 ration not 2:1. They also survived without human intervention. I personally believe that a 2:1 ratio can be potentially harmful to hummingbirds over a period of time. If you want to know more please email me

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RE: Fuchsia magellanica versus Fuchsia 'Gartenmeister Bonstedt' (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: wardda on 03.28.2006 at 04:58 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I grow both in south Jersey. Magellanica can be hardy here, mine came from a friends, one overwintered outside in the ground. The problem for us is while both do better than other fuchsias in our hot humid summers, neither is really very happy in mid summer. Magellanica in particular shouldn't be given too much sun. Mine did fairly well in a mostly shaded area of the yard and did attract hummingbirds. Oddly, Gartenmeister didn't seem to get very many visits last year, whereas the year before it was hit constantly. You've also got to be careful when putting this plant out in late spring. It is very tender and the slightest wind will cause breakage. More than once a perfectly winter grown specimen has been reduced to a tattered mess by May's wind.

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clipped on: 10.12.2012 at 11:07 pm last updated on: 10.12.2012 at 11:08 pm

Fuschia cuttings in water

posted by: ChristineB on 06.06.2005 at 06:27 am in Fuchsia Forum

Hi everyone. I checked the FAQs. Nothing there about popping cuttings into a glass of water. When trimming my fuschias, I always put a few cuttings into water, but have only occasional success with roots and new leaves. I traditionally put the glass on the kitchen windowsill, facing north-west, with shade. I live in Australia, so my seasons are the opposite to yours, and my north is your south as far as the sun goes. Please pass on some tips for where I am going wrong.
Christine

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clipped on: 10.09.2012 at 09:49 pm last updated on: 10.09.2012 at 09:49 pm

Which Annuals Will You Grow Again And Why?

posted by: omniphasic on 10.01.2007 at 06:52 pm in Annuals Forum

I am curious to hear about your favorites you grew this year,and if you'll grow them again next year.
I had excellent luck with ''Cosmic Red'' Cosmos, and it's still blooming after 4 months!
Cleome ''Purple Queen'' is also in full bloom still,as well as my ''Profusion Fire'' Zinnias.
Amaranthus ''Early Splendor'' became huge,filling a 5 gallon sized container!
I'm definitely growing these again!

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clipped on: 10.03.2012 at 11:30 pm last updated on: 10.03.2012 at 11:30 pm

Bonica rose cuttings

posted by: dave_k on 08.24.2012 at 11:09 pm in Rose Propagation Forum

Last fall when my neighbor trimmed her Bonica rose I put some small cuttings in a pot and set it into the ground to overwinter. It was mulched a bit to protect from our zone 5 cold. Here's the result, three little rose plants in one pot.

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RE: Does anyone know any good lilies for hummers? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: FlowerMomLisa on 06.24.2012 at 12:12 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

My red hot poker (Kniphofia) is attracting hummingbirds like magnets! I planted it last year and it flowered amazingly this year!Try that... it's very interesting looking, quite inexpensive and multiplies so you can divide it and have quite a lot of them in a few years.

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RE: Help! Coral Honeysuckle has bugs! (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: hummersteve on 05.26.2009 at 10:53 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I still have some aphids in which I blast off every couple of days when I see them. BTW I usually make a quart of the citrus spray when I use it and spray the entire plant. Eggs still continue to hatch. So this fall when it goes dormant Im going to cut the plant back severely all side branches and leaves will be gone to within a couple ft of the crown , the only way to get rid of all the eggs for next year. I know of other people who have done this and they say they have no aphids. Ive had them for three years in a row so its time for action. Also people who have done this say their plant becomes much fuller too.

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RE: Crocosmia x crocosmiiflora in clay? (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: dave_k on 06.08.2012 at 10:44 pm in Bulbs Forum

I planted Crocosmia Lucifer around my mailbox post in heavy clay last spring. We had much wet weather afterwards here in the Chicago area. Only one bulb grew and it was weak all year. This year it has come back as three, and is making flower buds.

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RE: crocosmia lucifer-bulb/seed question (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: KayLakeMan on 09.30.2005 at 04:40 pm in Bulbs Forum

I planted a bunch of seed indoors about the same time as tomatoes and then put them outdoors still in their pot, and had some small bloomers this year. pretty easy. You have nothing to lose. Its a bulb I wouldn't pay for and the seeds were free.

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clipped on: 05.21.2012 at 10:48 pm last updated on: 05.21.2012 at 10:48 pm

Irrigation water - high pH?

posted by: katskan41 on 06.28.2009 at 01:11 pm in Container Gardening Forum

HI all. Just tested my irrigation water with a pool water test kit and the pH is around 8.2. Our water source is from a well.

I'm using the gritty mix and growing woody plants (conifers) in containers.

Should I adjust the pH of the water by using vinegar or something similar? Seems like irrigation water should be closer to pH neutral but thought I'd ask the experts.

Thanks.

Dave

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RE: Pentas ... old fashioned variety for nectar plants (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: butterflymomok on 03.13.2010 at 10:02 pm in Butterfly Garden Forum

As Susan said, the Pentas lanceolata is the old-fashioned penta that attracts butterflies and hummers. There are different colors. The Tersas really liked my pink ones

Sandy

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RE: Small garden, need 1 great plant (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: mbuckmaster on 05.15.2008 at 12:28 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

Steve nailed it, I think. Another winner is monarda...red bee balm. But salvia has it beat. For annuals, I grow pentas--man do the hummers love them!

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RE: Verbena bonariensis - tall / rough Verbena (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: susanlynne48 on 12.05.2009 at 07:18 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

VB is a great butterfly and hummingbird plant and you can pretty much leave it where it grows in and among other flowers in the garden.

In zone 7b it may very well overwinter as an evergreen plant, but otherwise reseeds as others have said. Last year I had several VBs stay green all winter, which was nice because they bloomed earlier.

This is one good nectar plant that everyone can include in their garden whether or not they have the space. The hummers really love it.

Susan

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What New Hummer Plants Are You Adding This Year?

posted by: susanlynne48 on 03.08.2010 at 07:56 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

....and what are your most dependable plants?

Since most of my garden emerged as a butterfly garden, I have found that probably 90% of them also serve the hummers as well as the butterflies (and some sphinx moths).

This is the first year that I am purposely adding hummingbird nectar plants and reversing that process:

Several red flowering Salvias (regla, coccinea, greggii, subrotunda, darcyi)
Caesalpinia gillesii - Bird of Paradise
Tecoma stans (yellow and red flowering)
Anisacanthus quadrifidus var. wrightii - Flame Acanthus
Silene regia - Royal Catchfly

So far, the most dependable hummer plants, purely by happenstance, have been Verbena bonariensis, Tithonia rotundifolia, Lantana 'Miss Huff', Passiflora caerulea and 'Lavendar Lady', red Pentas, Lonicera flava, Hibiscus coccineus, and Cosmos sulphureus 'Cosmic Orange'.

I appreciate your input to plan for the future and I hope everyone has a fantastic hummer year!

Susan

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RE: hanging baskets (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: susan82 on 04.26.2010 at 12:55 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

They like my peach Million Bells (Calibrachoa). It is a beautiful plant in a hanging basket!

~Susan

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RE: Best plants for Hummers? [Massachusetts] (Follow-Up #33)

posted by: bloomingplantlover on 03.10.2010 at 12:58 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I planted anise hyssop and the hummers loved it. It also attracts American Goldfinches. It does self seed well. Grows up to 4 feet tall or more in the garden.

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RE: Will You Add To This Hummingbird 'Plant' List'? :) (Follow-Up #19)

posted by: ctnchpr on 09.24.2011 at 01:30 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I like doing the Native bog/wetland thingy, these 3 hummer plants are in that category:

Lobelia cardinalis (Cardinal flower)
Pontederia cordata (Pickeral weed)
Mimulus alatus (Sharp-winged Monkeyflower)

I'd like to add my $0.02 about a plant that has been mentioned. If I could grow only one hummer plant, or had to recommend only one hummer plant, it would be Salvia coccinea "Lady in Red". They're beautiful plants with beautiful flowers, maintenance free, self sow like a bad weed, extremely long bloom period, and are my hummers' favorite plant. A few years ago, someone posted a list of the nectar sugar content of various flowers, and LIR had one of the highest concentrations, about 1/3 sugar. That's probably why the hummers love them so much.

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RE: learning to graft/bud stone fruit on the cheap? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: lucky_p on 02.29.2012 at 10:45 pm in Fruit & Orchards Forum

floyd,
I played around with some stonefruits 10 years or so ago.
Have grafted Japanese hybrid and European plums onto angustifolia, and it works OK, but as you probably know,it suckers like crazy, and you wind up with a thicket of Chickasaw plums surrounding your grafted tree.
Peach and Japanese hybrid plums will work on Nanking cherry - and it is VERY dwarfing.
IME grafting stonefruits with dormant scions works OK, but the window of opportunity is very small - I often have some difficulty keeping the scions dormant in my home refrigerator, and they're often 'farther along' than the rootstock that spent the winter in the nursery bed or orchard when the time comes to attempt the graft.

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RE: graft question for Scott or others about J. plums (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: scottfsmith on 03.13.2012 at 08:57 am in Fruit & Orchards Forum

Hman, I have only found peaches to be very picky on temps. Japanese plums always seem to work for me. But, I wouldn't graft when temps are too low or too high. Basically highs of 55 to 85 is the range for plums. Don't graft plums or anything else when highs of 90+ are coming, it can fry the grafts. A few days of cold are less problem, the grafts will just sit there. If an unsuspected hot day is coming wrap the grafts in Alu foil with the shiny side out. I wrap all of my peach grafts in alu foil anyway, it helps stabilize the temps and they like stability. Also I paint all my scions with Doc Farwells (a latex paint product) so if they are having trouble taking they will get more of a chance since they will dry out much more slowly. You can get a similar effect by wrapping with parafilm.

In terms of leaf length I mentioned 1" above but I often do my first round at more like 1/2" leaves. I try to be all done by 2" leaves. Earlier and later than this interval will work, but it corresponds to this zone of good temps and is the most reliable time.

Scott

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RE: Grafting peach difficulties (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: scottfsmith on 05.01.2008 at 10:25 pm in Fruit & Orchards Forum

Fruitnut, chip budding is the same as T budding for the scion - you cut out a small 1-bud chip. The difference is what you do to the stock. Instead of cutting a T you cut out a piece the same size as your scion chip and fit it into that and wrap. The only advantage over T budding is the bark need not be slipping since you are not doing any bark peeling. It is primarily a summer graft which is then forced the next spring, but it also works in the spring and can be forced that year.

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Newspaper wrapped cuttings a success!

posted by: grandmothers_rose on 07.03.2011 at 10:52 pm in Rose Propagation Forum

You all have gotta try this. I am a rank amateur and I have cuttings from OGR's to HT's well callused after two weeks. I'm going to plant them this weekend. The next trick is to find a good place outside in hot and humid VA weather for them to grow on.

Roseseek, you ROCK!

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RE: No sign of Crocosmia I planted in May (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: donnabaskets on 06.21.2009 at 05:25 pm in Bulbs Forum

I planted six crocosmia last year in late spring. It took a very long time for them to come up and only two did. This spring, I have about ten! I have a feeling that more of the original six must have come up this year. Don't give up on them, linnea. I have a feeling that they take awhile to settle in.

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RE: Anyone growing ranunculus and/or crocosmia? (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: kinglemuelswife on 03.24.2009 at 11:40 pm in Gardening in Canada Forum

I didn't realize this thread had been revived! My crocosmia finally surfaced late, late, late in the season. So late, in fact that I had given up and planted other stuff. Now I have to sort them out. I'll see about this year...hopefully they bloom better than last...if they've made it through the winter at all.

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RE: Hanging Baskets/Trailing Plants (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: penny1947 on 05.02.2006 at 08:30 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

Million Bells can take the sun but need gobs of water as do the petunias. Another is bat-faced cuphea and again lots of water.

Penny

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RE: Best plants for Hummers? [Massachusetts] (Follow-Up #32)

posted by: flora7_grow on 02.13.2009 at 04:50 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

My secret weapon for attracting Hummingbirds is Lantana. It's great for those dry, hot areas. It grows really fast and will take over so containers are good if you don't have much room.
It also attracts many butterflies.

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RE: Best plants for Hummers? [Massachusetts] (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: ctnchpr on 08.25.2008 at 12:23 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

harryshoe, I've grown L. cardinalis in containers for the last 3 seasons. In the first 2, they were in 'bog containers' ( pots with the drainage holes plugged). Life was too easy for them, they grew 4-5 feet tall, fell over, and the hummers ended up feeding down next to the ground - not a good place for a little hummer.

Winter rosette last Fall.

This year, they're in smaller pots (with the drainage holes open), have had tons of neglect heaped on them, and are looking better. The tallest one is 28", and none seem ready to topple. The smaller pots make them more portable - I didn't move them to my deck until they started blooming. Some sort of property line dispute was goin' on here.

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RE: Best plants for Hummers? [Massachusetts] (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: greenhousems on 08.24.2008 at 07:32 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

to answer Harryshoe.. I have some Lobelia Cardinalis in a pot this year (as well as some in the ground). I have seen the hummers feeding from it, and it does well. Although my hummers pay attention to the Crocosmia, the Lobelia and Salvia, the first stop they make is on the Scarlet Runner Bean plant. This has failed to provide beans but masses of bright red flowers which I think they prefer because they are so high up.

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RE: What Are The Very Best Hummer Attracting Plants In Your Garde (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: dhickey389 on 07.02.2005 at 04:30 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

Hi. Bee Balm (Monarda didyma) 'Jacob Kline', Cardinal Flower (Lobelia cardinalis) and salvia greggii "Maraschino" work the best for me in NW suburban Chicago. I also keep the feeder clean and filled.

Dennis

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Best Container Hummingbird Plant - Turk's Cap

posted by: swct on 09.10.2011 at 03:45 pm in Hummingbird Garden Forum

I have been growing Turk's Cap (malvaciscus arboreus) in a container on my Connecticut patio for the past three years. I ordered a small plant online (can't remember from where) and trained it to grow as a standard. Turks Cap is very vigorous, overwinters indoors easily, and the hummingbirds absolutely love its many nector filled blooms. I believe Turks Cap is native to the Gulf Coast and Mexico, so hummers seem to recognize the bright red flowers instinctively. This plant is a must have for hummingbird fans!

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RE: fall hummingbird plants - Chicago area (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: penny1947 on 11.30.2005 at 07:55 am in Hummingbird Garden Forum

Wild Jewelweed (Impatiens capensis) doesn't bloom until late summer early fall. It is used to help supply nectar to migrant hummers when other summer plants are winding down. My Salvia coccineas, Salvia Guaraniticas, bloom all summer right up until the time they are killed by a freeze. Pineapple sage and Salvia Microphylla 'Wild Watermelon' bloom as the days are getting shorter in fall. Coral honeysuckle will bloom all summer and into fall. Agastaches will bloom all summer and fall. Gartenmeister fushia will bloom all season but it is tender and will have to be brought inside once the temps start dropping. My bat faced cuphea bloomed until I brought it inside for the winter in November then i cut it back and it has doubled in size already and I am looking forward to putting it back out for the hummers next spring. My cannas still had blooms up until our first hard freeze. Impomopsis (standing cypress) is another hardy plant that will bloom through fall. Even after a couple of freezes mine is still green. Lobeliea cardinalis (cardinal flower) and Lobelia Siphilitica (Great Blue Lobelia) bloom later in summer through fall until frost. The Great Blue Lobelia does seem to be a bit hardier than my Lobelia Cardinalis and can take withstand more freezing. There are also late blooming hostas that my hummers feed on that will bloom unitl early to mid fall.
Cypress vine (cardinal climber is a hybrid of the cypress vine) will bloom earlier and longer than cardinal climber.

Spring flowering plants besides the bleeding hearts already mentioned by Wetbug that may help are:
baskets of red impatiens (I make up several baskets to hang around my yard as soon as they are available)

azaleas
rhododendrons
dwarf red buckeye (flowering tree which can be pruned to height)
bottlebrush buckeye (flowering shrub)
Weigelia (mid spring blooming shrub)
Red flowering currant (shrub)
Flowering Quince (shrub)
Leonitus leonurus (Lion's Tail)(Spring through fall)
Native columbine which you have
Cross vine (related to trumpet vine but a spring bloomer)
Coral bells
White wild Indigo
Lily of the valley

Penny

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