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RE: Quartz Countertops...does anyone have them? Pros/Cons? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: cpovey on 07.23.2007 at 10:33 am in Kitchens Forum

Cambria Oxwich Green here. Love it, would get it again in a heart beat.

Pros-too many to name. Durable, never stains, easy to clean with anything, 10 year warranty, wider variety of colors than granite, no worries about sealing it, more sanitary than granite (no crevices), etc.

Cons: Not as dramatic as granite, not as heat resistant as granite (though granite can be damaged by too much heat too).

By the way, there are 6-7 brands of quartz countertops in North America. Be sure to check out all of them, as what is a premium-priced color in one line might be less expensive in another. The brands are Cambria (made in the USA, others are from Europe or Israel), Zodiaq, Avanza, Technictone, Silestone, and Caesar stone, plus I believe one more. Each has slightly different colors. Each brand has a web site that shows the colors available.


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RE: Finished Kitchen in Gallery (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: mwardlb on 07.11.2007 at 02:06 pm in Kitchens Forum

Well, nearly 2 years later and we are 90% done with our kitchen. Most, if not all, of our ideas, inspiration and guidance came from these forums, and for that, I am so grateful.
We have actually been pretty much done since October, but we are still waiting on 36' SZ or KA fridge and a custom VAH blower and a Franke Little Butler Insta-Hot tap. Also a few spots of floorboards.

Let's see, we have:

White maple custom shaker cabinets w/ Classic Brass hinges, knobs and pulls in brushed nickel. "Chantilly Lace" by BMoore white paint. A little water damage on sink drawers and some chipping on heavily used trash drawer but over all LOVE IT!
Drawers have those automatic closing hinge-thingies LOVE THEM!!
New seeded glass in hutch cabinet with smoked grey mirror below. It's not actually a pass through, though it gives the illusion of more space. I got the idea from an antique hutch my aunt has. My mom thought I was crazy, but then she said that about ALOT of my choices for the kitchen! LOVE IT.

White carrera marble counter tops 1 -inch slab.(Another CRAZY choice, made with confidence after reading the marble threads here and stuffing cotton balls in my ears when anyone started to talk about how regretfull I'd be in time) Installers sealed it with magic-bullet somethingno real staining or etching issues. I even cut on it when in a hurry but the marks just rub out. We are careful, but with two teenagers and a DH that makes the morning coffee, there are spills on it all worries. We eat on placemats and use coasters. That seems to do the trick. LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!

Lacanche Cluny 1400 in matte black with stainless & chrome (warming cabinet, gas oven, electric oven, 5 burners w/ portable simmer plate)... I really can't say enough about this masterpiece! No bells and whistles - no hassles! Cooked XMas dinner for 50 problems! We did put a sheet of stainless steel on the wall behind it, below the tile, just for a little heat protection. LOOOOOOOVE LOVE IT!

Walker Zanger 4 X 8 white subway tile backsplash with shelf and surround. The shelf is built out with wood and then tiled with WZ Moulding tiles and end caps. I had originally wanted an alcove, but it's a fire wall so we imporvised. LOVE IT!

Jenn-Air DW - not fully installed with panel and rubber seal yet, so it's pretty noisy. Cleans very well, but doesn't dry all the way. LIKE IT OK.

Price Phister faucet in polished chrome. Heard they drip, but no real issues. LIKE IT A LOT.

Under mount fireclay farmhouse sink found on Ebay. I wish the tubs were deeper, but it cleans up well with astonish paste. LOVE IT.

The Kitchen light fixture is from Pottery Barn and the dining room one is from Restoration Hardware. LOVE LOVE THEM! (Believe it or not, we are talking about moving and the fixture in the dining room would be the only thing I could take from the remod!)

Under counter halogen dimmer lights are great, but are really hot. They even warm the food in the cupboards. We are switching to fluorescent. LIKE IT.

Well, I cant think of anything else.

Thanks again for everyone who answered posts, threw out suggestions and sparked fresh ideas. Its been a long process but a lot of fun. LOVED IT! And thanks for all of your compliments. While I wasn't fishing for them, it sure feels good to be validated, doesn't it.



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Kichler vs GE under cabinet xenon lights

posted by: old_skool on 03.22.2007 at 01:57 pm in Kitchens Forum

I am looking at a full set of Kichler xenon under cabinet lights on Ebay. These are series II, direct wire lights. They use 18w xenon bulbs. They have hi/low/off switches on them. They are covered with a single shade made of frosted tempered soda lime glass. It says single BX connector so I don't think these are linkable.

The prices are as follows:
21" 10581-SS - $62.99 each (3 bulb)
12" 10580-SS - $53.99 each (2 bulb)
7" 10579-SS - $48.99 each (1 bulb)

They are

The other option is the Home Depot which sells the GE Xenon premium under cabinet lighting in stainless steel as well. They are plug in type with the ability to link them all together. They use 18w bulbs. They have high low and off settings. They are covered with individual oval shades of clear glass.

I guess I would just put in an outlet in the back of the cabinet at the end of the run and have that outlet controlled by a light switch.

18" $47 (3 bulb)
12" $36 (2 bulb)
8" $25 (1 bulb)

I wanted to control all the lights with a single dimmer switch or hi/low/off switch. Is this possible? I don't understand how you control a light like this with a switch when it has its own hi/low/off switch. I haven't seen any wall switches that are hi/low/off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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RE: Where did you buy your lighting? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: tommyw on 03.27.2007 at 01:51 pm in Kitchens Forum

I bought my undercab lights at Pegasus Associates Lighting has 4 sizes of dimmable xenon line voltage (120 volts) under cabinet task lights in 3 finishes - brushed steel, mocha bronze, and white.


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RE: Under Cabinet Lighting Placement (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: mondragon on 04.10.2007 at 03:05 pm in Kitchens Forum

I've got little lights on a cable, toward the front. This is before the light rail:

I think if they were in the back they'd be less useful. At this point they were only on the left.


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RE: Under Cabinet Lighting Placement (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: lynneblack on 04.09.2007 at 11:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Ours are in the back of the cabinets, we were told it's easier to conceal the wires (they are line voltage) and the granite guy said the granite looks better with the lights in back, and I didn't have a clue, but I'm happy with the way they look


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Granite - Northern Virginia

posted by: early1 on 05.10.2007 at 12:58 pm in Kitchens Forum

Any suggestions for a good granite supplier/fabricator in Northern VA? I'm just starting out with the slab selection process and have some tricky details, so I need someone who is at the top of their game. Many thanks!


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RE: Kitchen lighting questions (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: jon1270 on 03.09.2007 at 06:18 am in Lighting Forum

6" cans are overkill for 8' ceilings; 5" will be fine.

What are the overall dimensions of the room? What's going on with the apparently overlapping cabinets in the corner left of the range?

OT, you might want to bump the fridge a few inches to the left; as drawn, I suspect the right-hand door won't open fully.


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RE: Kitchen lighting questions (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: ilitem on 03.08.2007 at 05:48 pm in Lighting Forum

Recessed lighting is usually placed so that 1/2 of the light is over the edgs of the counter and the other 1/2 is over the floor. From there on, you need to place the lighting towards the center of the room to get illumination. 65 watt bulbs (if you are using a regular 5 or 6" can are usually spaced every 4' on center.

If you are a more visual person (which I am), you can take the bulb that you intend to use and put it into a lamp (without the shade of course) or into a lamp holder on an extension cord. Have someone hold it near the ceiling and actually see the spread of light that you are going to get.

The only place where I center the light on the counter is over the kitchen sink. Usually this is put on a separate switch so that you can have just that on if you wish.

Also, you may wish to "zone" the kitchen lighting, which means having different lights come on with different switches. For example, having the lights over the kitchen counters come on separately from the lights in the middle of the room.

Whatever you do, you should be sure to put your recessed lights on dimmers. It can get hot in the kitchen (it could be my age) when cooking and the lights are on full.

Also, be careful using xenon undercounter lights. Some of them have a tendency (low wattage or not) to heat up more than the flourescent ones. Therefore, canned goods should not go on the bottom shelf, or anything else that could be affected by the heat.


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RE: Please, explain the proper recessed placement (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: ilitem on 04.17.2007 at 09:00 am in Lighting Forum

One-half of the can should be over the counter while the second half is over the floor area. This allows you to get lighting on the counter and down the cabinets and the floor. Depending on which fixtures you are using you then space them as needed (75 watt floods are usually every 4' on center) around the counter area.

After you have configured this, you go to where they are then needed in order to illuminate the rest of the kitchen. Is there an island? Are you hanging pendants or a fixture that will illuminate the rest of the kitchen, etc. This is all pertinent information as to how many more recessed lights you will need.


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2 cm vs. 3cm granite

posted by: ashlander on 04.25.2007 at 05:59 pm in Kitchens Forum

I was so excited to find out yesterday that there IS a granite 'slab' showroom here in southern Oregon. I also learned that there are two thicknesses of slabs sold. Most people buy their granite here from pricy showrooms. (I visited a friend in bay area last month who took me to a granite slab warehouse and couldn't believe the prices and choices available. You have no idea how much some of us have to pay for granite).
For those of you who have had a choice of 2 cm or 3 cm granite, please tell me the benefit in the thickness of granite you chose. Does the 3 cm cost a lot more? (We've reached the point in our remodel where our decision might be based on cost)
Also, we bought a slide-in range and don't know if we even have the choice of the thicker granite.
Our remodel is moving along and I think we have to make our granite decision sometime next week.
Thanks a lot!


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RE: Please show me your Caeserstone Misty Carrera! (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: dianalo on 04.26.2007 at 10:12 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi Moo,
No pix for you, but I can tell you I saw it installed in a showroom and was very disappointed. I love marble, and this "ain't no marble".
Have you seen any quartzite? It is less porous than marble but has lovely veining in a gray/white combo that may work for you. It is also called Pietra Di Cardosa, American Dream, and American Fantasy, among others. There was a thread recently titled "white granite" with pix of it in several uses. It should cost approx the same as the Caeserstone, but has a more organic look to it.


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RE: how to prepare marble for use? (Follow-Up #19)

posted by: dreamhouse1 on 04.24.2007 at 04:25 pm in Kitchens Forum

I just got back from the stone yard where I picked out my crema marfil for my island and bathroom. The rep there gave me a brochure on DryTreat. A sealer she said is worth checking out. I went on their website and it sounds interesting. If you have them treat your stone they give you a 15 year warranty against staining. They also have a product that repels acid for the etching problem. Has anyone ever heard of or used this product? She even said it was a one time deal, you do it once and your done. This sounds to good to be true!! Any feedback out there???


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RE: What is the next new big thing in kitchens? (Follow-Up #38)

posted by: rococogurl on 04.20.2007 at 10:02 am in Kitchens Forum

antss, I'm fascinated by the way Miele really gets it. Insofar as the "smart" kitchen is concerned, I feel that my new oven has that component, which is what I like so much. My work as the cook has completely changed in this regard.I'm an old-school French-trained cook but it's fascinating to me and makes me feel "advanced" (perhaps an illusion LOL!). I do think we are taking steps towards having everything tied into a whole house smart system with either remote or panel controls, though that has its issues as well, for conservation reasons and because we can have these for convenience.

This is a great thread, so many ideas.

Wallpaper is definitely coming in. Big burgeoning trend. Here's a starter list of wallpaper sources in case anyone needs them.

Here is a link that might be useful: Wallpaper sources


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RE: things you would have done different- any ideas appreciated (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: meg711 on 03.01.2007 at 10:23 pm in Kitchens Forum

Ah! An air switch is the little push-button for the garbage disposal that's installed in the counter instead of on the wall. It's key for an island sink and makes it more convenient at the main sink because our window is much wider than our sink.

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RE: Where to buy hafele trash pedal? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: lowspark on 04.05.2007 at 03:38 pm in Kitchens Forum


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RE: finish hardwoods before/after cabinets installed (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: valinsv on 04.19.2007 at 12:40 am in Kitchens Forum

I had a similar question last week--assuming that cabinets are going on hardwood and received some different responses. LIke you, I was assuming we'd do it at the very end, but my GC wanted to finish before setting my dining room cabinets where I am putting hardwood underneath--my kitchen cabinets are already installed and shimmed with plywood. Based on responses to my thread we decided to go ahead and are planning to have them finished this weekend. My GC is tring to get as much done as possible before then--finish HVAC, finish trim, set doors, finish plumbing in my bathrooms, install the over/under cabinet lights in kitchen, installing the appliances. Things that will be done after will be the granite install, finish plumbing in the kitchen, installing decorative lighting (as my GC didn't want them covered in sawdust), installing door hardware, installing closet doors, installing shower doors, setting the dining room cabinets--still lots to do. I do plan as advised to do a third coat and buff at the very end--just before the baseboards go in. I think he has a point about getting the major sanding out of the way; but I'll only know in hindsight if I made the best choice. I jsut remind myself I saw several completed homes this guy did before we signed on and they all looked beautiful so he must know what he is doing.

Here is a link that might be useful: Finish under cabinets


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RE: Pullout Shelves - Where to purchase online? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: debi_2006 on 04.19.2007 at 09:47 am in Kitchens Forum

I did much research on pull outs and knew I wanted Rev a Shelf due to it's quality (learned from GW). I found the very best prices for this brand at the linked site below. I did order a trash pull out and I love it. Saved more than $35 getting it from this site. BTW: Their customer service is good too. I spoke to a gentleman named Dean. One of their items was higher in price than another site and they were willing to match.

Another good site is:

Here is a link that might be useful: ahturf


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RE: Where to start with 'lighting plan' (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: sweeby on 04.19.2007 at 07:23 pm in Kitchens Forum

You start with a list of activities and locations, then expand it into the types of lighting you think are best for each activity -- For example:

- Prep and cooking in 'cook's cockpit' -- Need bright lighting over sink, prep countertops and cooktop (cans?), maybe under-cabinets at MW.

- Cleanup area - Need bright lighting over sink. Two lights better than one so dish-washer's shadow won't block light when leaning forward.

- Seating and visiting - Need adjustable lighting - something decorative?

- Pantry - Utility lighting - Flourescent?

- General after-dinner walk-thru (pendants? 1-2 cans?)

- Work at desk - U/C?

After that, it's a simple matter of placement, dimmers or not (dimmers!) and which should be placed where and on how many different circuits.


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Oceanside glasstile backsplash photoshop help

posted by: bizzer1 on 02.24.2007 at 04:47 pm in Kitchens Forum

First time poster here...We are in the process of deciding our backsplash and fireplace in our recently built home. I have enjoyed all the great ideas I have found here but am still searching for something similar to what we are looking at. We keep coming back to Oceanside glasstile in a mosaic pattern in the mixed color Enchantment. I am hoping someone can photoshop what it might look like so we have a better idea before investing a small fortune in the tile! I can email pictures to someone if they can do the photoshop work...THANKS in advance.
Our cabinets are a dark mission style quarter sawn oak - very substantial and deep in color so we would like to lighten up the space.


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RE: how to prepare marble for use? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: dreamhouse1 on 04.18.2007 at 03:15 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have talked to MANY MANY people about this recently. I want marble on my island and I've had alot of people tell me don't - of course those people were the builder's rep and the fabricator - they don't want any liability. I talked with the guys at the stone yard. Here's what they told me: go with a honed finish, so, as said above, it will not etch and seal it with a 3 year impregnated sealer. Put on the 1st coat, wait a while for it to soak in - it shouldn't take long if it's honed. Wipe it down and add a second coat. Let it sit for an hour, wipe down and repeat a 3rd time. The point is to get the sealer ALL the way through the stone. Most fabricators only put on one coat because they don't have the time for an all day affair. The one coat sinks to the bottom of the slab so the surface is not protected at all. It must be layered from the bottom all the way up to the top. You should see that by the 3rd round, it is not soaking in any more. You know it is time to reseal when the sweat off a cold glass leaves a water ring in your stone (it will evaporate). I brought home a piece of unsealed, polished crema marfil and abused it with lime juice, ketchup and white vinegar. The ketchup & vinegar "honed" it (took the polish off; thus getting it honed to begin with) and lime juice etched it (I left in on for 2 hours). Then I put red wine over all the spots and left it - it did stain it. Not a bright red stain, more kind of grey/brown looking. We are not big wine drinkers, so I'm not too worried. They did warn me about the fumes - if you can do it while you & your family can be outside and windows and doors open would be best. Ours is a new construction and will be done before move in. My decorator gave me the name of guy that does this kind of sealing. She had her limestone done and has had great success. You will also need to be careful about the softness of your stone. I'm not planning on beating on my island too much either! I'm going for it. It's just to pretty not to try it! Hope that ALL this info helps. Sorry it's soooo long. Good Luck!


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RE: You know its a Garden Web kitchen when.... (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: revans1 on 04.18.2007 at 08:45 am in Kitchens Forum

A soap/lotion dispenser....see link.

Here is a link that might be useful: never mt


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RE: Why get a D shaped sink? (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: cloud_swift on 02.27.2007 at 10:47 pm in Kitchens Forum

Why we offset the faucet on D shaped sinks - the sink is typically 18 inches deep (meaning front to back rather than top to bottom). Undermounted in granite or other solid surface, in front of the sink there will usually be 1 1/2" of counter overhang, 3/4 inch of cabinet front, 3/4 to 1 inch of sink lip for a total of 3 to 3 1/4 inches. Behind the sink there will be another 3/4 to 1 inch of sink lip.

Therefore, a 3/4" hole for a facuet at the center of the back will be
3.25 + 18 + 1 + .625 plus a bit of margin = ~23 inches back from the edge of the counter and 21.5 inches into the 24 inch cabinet.

23 inches makes the faucet handle a long reach for many people (especially the vertically challanged like me).

If the sink cabinet is 24" deep with a wall behind it, that also means there is only 2 1/2 inches minus the backsplash thickness available behind the center of the faucet base. Some side mounted handles need more than that for operation.

Putting the faucet on the corner of the D allows the handle to be an easier reach and gives room for handle swing.


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RE: white granite (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: yoryona on 04.10.2007 at 12:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

I just went through the same exercise as you gabeach - "quiet" white granite seems to be non-existent. What I found is quartzite - a natural stone, not silestone or similar. The color is called "Moonlight" and it is pretty much white with some veining in grey/brown. I found it at a stone yard in Brooklyn. It was pricier than the usual granite colors - but I bit the bullet as I love it! What I am stuck on now is the backsplash - want something modern and sleek. Ive been shopping around but havent found the perfect solution yet.
I'll post a pic as soon as the fabricators are done and it is installed (about a week).


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RE: questions about countertops?? (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: susancc on 01.31.2007 at 10:54 am in Kitchens Forum

I actually just called caesarstone, should have done that in the first place, they told me the slabs come up to 56 1/2 inches. Yeah!! My mom said it's the easiest thing to keep in the world, no fingerprints, her kitchen is absolutely gorgeous. Honed limestone quartz countertops and island (hers is 41 inches wide), cream cabinets and lavender blue painted island with obscene amouts of antique copper everywhere (we lived in England when I was little and she brought back an absolutly huge amount). It is truly lovely. She has open shelves with antique ironstone plates, platters and tureens.


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Does Anyone Have Honed Marble???`

posted by: trudymom on 03.22.2007 at 08:28 pm in Kitchens Forum

If so, are you glad that you honed it? Is it different to take care of than polished marble? Suggestions?

Thank you!


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RE: Honed Granite Pics (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: manor on 02.15.2007 at 05:51 pm in Kitchens Forum

Here is my honed granite:

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Honed Granite - Bianco Romano
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RE: Honed Granite Pics (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: manor on 02.18.2007 at 11:53 am in Kitchens Forum

We have had no problems with staining. We are messy cooks and nothing seems to stain. We often have red wine, oil, or even turmuric or curry powder left on for hours. (We sometimes do the clean up the morning after). No problems at all.
It is Kashmir white (or champagne)from India


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