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RE: Fiberglass, vinyl; vinyl, fiberglass...what to choose? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: skydawggy on 10.28.2010 at 11:44 am in Windows Forum

There are some manufacturers who offer painted interiors and some who offer a laminate. I prefer the laminate but the colors are limited. You can paint vinyl on the inside however if you have a warranty issue and it is due to the paint, the factories have the right to deny the warranty claim because you modified their product. I really doubt painting the interior could cause a problem as long as you use paint made for vinyl and avoid anything with nasty chemicals like acetone. Funny thing is that many factories offer painted interiors and will warrant the window if you have them do it but will deny a warranty claim if you do it yourself.

If that's an installed price on the Marvin, I'd go for it. To me, the jury is still out on Serious. They gained National attention when the bought Kensington Windows in bankruptcy and saved a lot of jobs. Even got a huge government contract out of it and a visit from the President and V.President. That doesn't equate to a first rate window or factory service. I'm not saying the aren't a fine company, it's just that I've been around the business long enough to take a wait and see attitude with situations like this.

I don't recall where you live but if you are building to those specs, you may want to consider triple pane glass.

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RE: Minimizing the 'white' of vinyl windows (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: galefarm on 12.29.2007 at 12:43 pm in Windows Forum

Vinyl can be painted but needs to follow a very strict guideline of Light Reflectivity Value of the paint and how it is applied. I have had Painters refer me to Sherwin Williams who was very helpful in finding paints for a customers projects.

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RE: Minimizing the 'white' of vinyl windows (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: phillyvictorian on 12.28.2007 at 08:40 am in Windows Forum

I've heard about people successfully painting vinyl... start with a good primer like Glidden Gripper.

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RE: Wood vs vinyl windows (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: abe gaskins (Guest) on 07.25.2009 at 06:17 pm in Windows Forum

I'm a mechanical engineer and owner of a vinyl window manufacturing company. We have been making vinyl windows since 1985. We installed our tan windows on my uncle's house round about that time. The window exterior has faded a little, but the fading has been consistent and is not noticeable by the average on looker. Other than the fading, the windows look brand new. The sashes operate very well after almost 25 years of service.

Ive been on thousands of service calls. In the beginning, I, too, didnt know about this "plastic stuff". My thinking has gradually changed to the point that I now believe that PVC is a fantastic window material if the windows are installed correctly. It really does not need much maintenance. I would recommend spraying it down from a distance with a pressure washer. This will knock off all dirt and possible mold or mildew.

Vinyl itself is a good resistor to heat transfer. Most vinyl windows have two or three strips of "finseal" that is designed into the sash. This will reduce air infiltration that is a major source of heat loss. Old stile wood windows have no weather stripping designed into the window and they are notorious for air infiltrationresulting in heat loss and drafty windows. Newer style wood windows have a compression style jambliner that help along the air infiltration front, but make the window difficult to tilt in for easy cleaning.

Most modern wood windows are made of new growth pine, not old growth. As a result the wood is softer and not as durable. Also modern manufacturing techniques maximize the yield of the tree. They do this by spicing the wood together by a "finger joint" a technique. This allows much more of the end grain of the wood to be potentially exposed to moisture. End grain will wick the moisture into the wood. When this happens the paint will blister off. When this happens, rot is a certainty. Ive been in subdivisions in which the sills of all the windows were beginning to rot within two years. If the wood is not treated correctly immediately, then the wood window is certain to rot. Ive seen it too many times.

A lot of the cheaper clad windows are clad with a roll form aluminum. This is only about 14 thousands of an inch thick (.014 inch). This only caps the wood. Cheaper aluminum clad wood windows are a shoe-in for rot. My empirical service observations prove this to my mind. If you go with aluminum clad, then make sure that you buy a window which incorporates a hollow aluminum extrusion on the exterior. A good clad window is designed such that the water will never touch the wood. This is the key to a good clad window. I would suggest that you look cut away samples in the showroom to verify my ramblings.

One of valid gripes of vinyl windows has, in the past, been the fact that color options have been limited. This is now changed, but is still not generally known. Vinyl windows can be painted. Vinyl windows have been painted in Canada for years. And the same Canadian paint companies have been selling their paint to places such as Arizona and California. The paint has been in the field for many years now and it is performing well. The typical vinyl window manufacture has recommended for years that their vinyl can not be painted. The reason is that vinyl has a distortion temperature of 140 Fahrenheit. If the surface of the vinyl gets above that, then the vinyl will deform. Dark paints bought from a typical hardware store can not be used to paint vinyl windows. Paints that are designed for vinyl have special heat reflecting pigments that will keep the vinyl from getting to this extreme. Anyway this is my 2 cents for the day.

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