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RE: Best -tasting tomatoes with least seeds? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: jackbenny on 09.05.2009 at 01:45 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Ddsack, I must be gifted because I can grow Orange Strawberry, and Red and get BER even though they are supposed to be resistant to it. However, this year I planted Sheboygan, a wispy leafed-pink-paste type...and not a single one with BER. It does have fewer seeds, and as an added bonus, the flavor isn't bland like other pastes.


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RE: Best -tasting tomatoes with least seeds? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: dancinglemons on 09.03.2009 at 01:03 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Dr. Wyche Yellow has very few seeds.

My solution this year for NO BER was

2 cups of Espoma Garden Lime,
1 cup of Bone Meal and
2 cups of Espoma TomatoTone

All this mixed into the top 6 inches of potting mix one week before planting. I plant in containers. This worked great in 10 gallon containers and should work for inground tomato plants. My San Marzano Redorta (Seeds from Italy) had NO BER. I grow this San Marzano variety because it has almost NO seeds and I hate tomato seeds.



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RE: Amish Paste & San Marzano Redorta strain? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: carolyn137 on 10.13.2009 at 05:48 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

I've grown plain ole San Marzano and was not at all impressed, and I'm one who doesn't think that Amish Paste IS a paste tomato b'c for me it's too juicy with too many seeds.

If you had expectations for Opalka I suggest growing it another season b'c my IA friends didn't have that great a tomato season, with a few exceptions. In other words if a variety comes to me highly recommended I don't make a judgement on it if it doesn't perform in any given season, rather, I grow it again.

For sauces and the like I think it's best to use just any darn good tasting variety that's meaty and has few seeds b'c paste varieties in general are not know for good taste.

However, here are a few that folks seem to like:

Mama Leone
Martino's Roma

..... to name a few, and I think the newer variety Sarnowski Polish Plum is at least the equal of Opalka in terms of excellence.



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RE: Where to buy Sarnowsky Polish Plum tom. seeds????? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: carolyn137 on 09.20.2009 at 06:54 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

The name is spelled Sarnowski Polish Plum, a variety I introduced and seeds are sold by Sandhill Preservation to whom I sent seeds; I didn't check to see if any other place was offering seed. Please note at their website when they accept orders and start sending out seeds. It's OK to send in your requests but they don't start filling those requests until after the New Year as explained at their website.

Sarnowski Polish Plum, as named by Mike Sarnowski and myself, was a variety their family brought from the Sarnow River valley area in Poland to the US in the 1890's.

It's indeterminate, RL, with a heavy yield of plump longish red fruits with singles, doubles and even some triples. Very meaty with few seeds and very good taste for a paste tomato. Just as good, or better, I think, than Opalka, another paste variety I introduced many years ago.

Carolyn, who would appreciate it if you couold tell me where the name is spelled as Sarnowsky so perhaps I could correct it so a wrong spelling doesn't get spread around. ( smile)


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My finished kitchen--creamy cabinets, Caesarstone, black walnut..

posted by: jenos on 06.18.2009 at 09:23 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi---even though my kitchen has been finished for a year and a half, I just figured out how to post pictures, so I thought I'd share! I am STILL on this forum daily since I LOVE checking out other people's wonderful ideas. Thank you to everyone here--and on the appliance forum--who helped when I needed it!Photobucket




Butler's Pantry

Breakfast Nook


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New EarthTainer II With AWS Construction Guide Posted

posted by: rnewste on 03.23.2009 at 07:58 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

I have updated the Construction Guide (Rev 1.6), adding some tips as well as the Automated Watering System option. Here is the link:

Here is a link that might be useful: EarthTainer II WaterMizer Edition Guide Rev 1.6


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RE: a good tasting determinate, anybody know 1? (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: bob-northernlight on 10.10.2008 at 12:50 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Tomatogreenthumb writes: (..........ok, please tell me which great varieties I am missing out on when I raise Early Girl (smile).)
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Here's my reply:
Ive raised only Early Girls for decades. Last year I grew about 30-40 vines. Ive always loved them. They are early, have a nice zip and nice flavor. They are dependable and fairly disease resistant.

But when I started reading this forum I realized there were a lot of tomato growers who feel that certain heirlooms are better tasting. I resisted the notion of departing from my traditional favorite, Early Girl, especially if these old-fashioned "wonder-tomatoes" were slow to blossom, fruit, and ripen.

But to find out if I was missing something, I grew a variety of some of the most talked about heirlooms this year. I grew a few Early Girl plants for comparison.

Well talk about early, one of my Prudens Purple vines offered a ripe tomato AHEAD of my Early Girls. The other Prudens Purple was just a few days behind but tied with my slower Early Girl vine.

Now lets talk about taste. About four years ago I had opportunity to visit the southeast shore of Lake Michigan just in time for the peach harvest. I love peaches but, living in northern Wisconsin, had never tasted anything other than what can be bought in the local grocery store in late summer. I visited a Michigan peach orchard that year and tasted fresh picked peaches. What an awakening !

Thats what I experienced with my tomatoes this year. The Prudens Purple, although not the best tasting tomato we grew, had a less zingy, but more complex, tomatoey taste than the Early Girls. It has a smooth, creamy texture of dense, juicy meat. At first I didnt like it because it didnt taste like an Early Girl, but as I took bite after bite I realized it had a deeper, more complex tastekinda like the difference between a $25 bottle of wine and cheap box wine. The Prudens Purple had, perhaps, a more adult taste. It definitely had a better meatier texture, while still being very juicy, with just enough zing but not enough to cover the complex taste.

I experienced an even better texture and taste from some of the late season heirlooms I grew: Brandywine Sudduth, Stump of the World, Brandyboy Hybrid, Mariannas Peace. My Neves have a less creamy, but still very meaty texture, and had a taste that was richer than any other Ive tasted.

I still like Early Girls, but every time I go to the kitchen to pick from our assortment of ripe tomatoes I seem to overlook them in favor of one of the heirlooms. My vines are all in a tent-style greenhouse, so they are still much for the short growing season. : )


As you can see from the numbers below the Early Girl lagged behind the Prudens Purple and several other much better tasting tomatoes in production.

The numbers below show my best production numbers so far:

Goliath Hyb..........12 @ 105oz
Neves Azorean Red.......8 @ 104oz
Brandywine OTV..........5 @ 88oz
Marianna's Peace...... 5 @ 84oz
Prudens Purple.......... 7 @ 84oz
Sophie's Choice........17 @ 84oz
Mortgage Lifter#1....17 @ 80oz
Mortgage Lifter#2...6 @ 77oz
Early Girl Hyb.......16 @ 75oz
Brandyboy Hyb...........7 @ 75oz
Early Goliath Hyb.......8 @ 65oz
Stump of the World....3 @ 55oz
Brandywine Sudduth......2 @ 45oz
Stupice..............25 @ 42oz

Next year I will grow Mariannas Peace and Neves for taste and production.
I will grow some Prudens purple for EARLINESS, to tide us over til the others ripen.
I dont think I will have space for any Early Girls in my garden next year.
If you gave it a whirl, its possible youll come to the same conclusion.

Happy Growing,



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RE: a good tasting determinate, anybody know 1? (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: greenwitch on 09.30.2008 at 07:59 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

This is my list I'm keeping when I come across early, cool tolerant tomatoes (you wouldn't think I'd need one in SoCal but I'm interested for a fall crop):

Alba: This is a little tiny small plant with quite big tasty tomatoes in trusses of 6 15 on each, ca 70 cm high with 28 cm long and 15 20 cm wide leaf. Give the plant some support so the tomatoes dont lay directly on the ground. Healthy tomatoes with a good shelflife, the tomatoes have a fresh good taste with a nice aftertaste. When the tomatoes start to mature they have a white colour and finally when they are fully mature they have a nice red colour. This Russian strain is well adapted to cold weather and gives a good harvest even in cool weather. A good strain for short season areas.

Betta: Short early Russian plant that look like a smaller version of Siberia, 50-55 cm high with small 12-15 cm long leaf. This strain grow well in cool weather and set fruit in very low temperature, good production of tasty midsize tomatoes in trusses of 6-7. Give the plant partial shade in the middle of the day when the sun is strongest. Good plant for short season area.

Bison: Early high yielding plant, popular when it was introduced in 1937, short ca 80 cm high bushy plant with 15-20 cm long leafs. Tasty midsize meaty tomatoes in big trusses with ca 12-15 on each, good standard tomato that grows well in cool weather.

Bradley: very early, Det, 2 oz. fruits heavy yields. Earliest tomato in 525 grown in 2005

Canabec Super: very early, Det, 4 to 6 oz. globe-shaped pinkish red fruits from Quebec.

Coldset: early, SD, 6 to 8 oz., red globe. Old catalogs said it was frost tolerant, but it isn't. It does set in cool night conditions though.

Cougar Red: This is a new red tomato that has been grown and tested for cool summer temperatures with a short growing season. This meaty, medium sized fruit is good for whole tomato home processing. The flavor is a good mixture of sugar and low acid. This variety will ripen until frost. Plants of Cougar Red are vigorous and semi-determinate.

Early Annie: Early old strain that is well adapted to cold weather. Strong plant ca 70-80cm high with big 20-28 cm long leafs. Many different shapes on the same plant, from normal size almost round to midsize flat round beefsteaks tomatoes. Some of the tomatoes are attach hard to the vine and must cut loose. Meaty and juicy tomatoes on trusses with 5-12 on each, mild fresh taste, little acid with good full flavours.

Glasnost: Productive plant with a short very robust stem, 35-38 cm long and 38 cm wide covering leafs. Small to big very meaty tomatoes, some are little ribbed. When the tomatoes start to mature they are first yellow, later when mature they are light red with an orange touch and light pink coloured flesh. The plant is very healthy and the tomatoes have a very good taste. This Siberian strain grows well in cold temperature, best grown as an Indeterminate in short season areas.

Glacier: While this variety may not be able to withstand a glacier, it does set fruit well even in cold weather. In fact, it becomes loaded early in the season with very flavorful, 2 to 3 oz. red tomatoes. The taste is sweet yet rich, a combination found more commonly in larger and later-maturing tomatoes. Potato-leaved foliage helps support the large harvest of these very tasty tomatoes. Determinate. 58 days

Gregori's Altai: Siberian variety that originated in the Altai Mountains on the Chinese border. Tall plants are heavy producers of 8 to 12 oz. pink-red beefsteak tomatoes. The flavor is sweet yet acid and just delicious, with harvests continuing over an incredibly long season. Indeterminate. 67 days.

Grushovka: Siberian variety of delicious, pink, egg-shaped fruit. Tomatoes are about 3 inches long with thin skin and are excellent for canning. Plants are small, only about 2-1/2 feet tall, but produce abundantly. Determinate. 65 days.

Ida Gold: 55 days Known for its all around quality, earliness and flavor. Hardy plants yield a concentrated fruit set of 2-3 oz oblong fruits even under extreme conditions. These attractive orange beauties have a sweet, fruity, low-acid flavor and are preferred as an early basket tomato for market. Determinate.

Kimberly: Compact, potato-leaved plants deliver large harvests of truly delicious tomatoes from very early in the season right up until frost. Clusters of 1 to 2 oz. red fruit have the full tomato flavor normally reserved for larger tomatoes, a delicious balance of sugar and acid. Kimberly sets fruit well even in cool temperatures, making it a great early-bearing variety for all climates. Expect these plants to become just loaded with fruit. Indeterminate. 54 days. Very early, SD, PL, 1 to 2 oz. globe fruits, sweet and juicy, high yields. Developed in the mid-1980's by John de Rocque of Kimberly, BC, Canada from a Siberia x Tiny Tim cross. They've been carefully selected for hardiness, early ripening and quality. Sets fruit at unusually low temperatures. Good also for greenhouse culture, very productive.

Latah: early, quick growing for Northern areas, cool tolerant, red salad size fruit. Named by Dr. Boe of the University of Idaho for the county in Idaho.

Legend: Introduced by Dr. James Baggett at Oregon State University, this very early variety sets large fruit that are glossy red and round with a very good flavor that is a nice blend of sugars and acids. What is also exciting about Legend is its strong resistance against the late blight fungus, a problem that has thwarted many a tomato gardener. It sets fruit well under cool temperatures, and contains few seeds. We think this combination of great taste, earliness, and strong disease resistance makes Legend truly memorable. Determinate. 68 days.

Manitoba: 6-1/2 oz. brick-red tomatoes are smooth and slightly flattened in shape. Extremely productive and very early variety developed in Manitoba, Canada. Determinate. 60 days.

Moscow: very early, Det, compact plants. Similar to Siberia.

New Yorker: Short bush tomato, ca 70-90 cm high that give a good harvest of midsize tasty tomatoes with a fresh slight full-bodied taste. Thin ca 25-35 cm long and 20 cm wide leafs, tomatoes in long trusses with 7-12 on each. This strain grows well in cool temperature.

Nikola: Low ca 70-90 cm high not so bushy plant, grows well in cool weather, 26-32 cm long leafs. Juicy normal size tomatoes with a fresh good taste, trusses of 5-6 tomatoes with long self live. The plant is very resistant of cold weather and set fruits on very low temperature. This Russian plant doesnt like it to hot in the middle of the day. Good strain for short season areas.

Oregon Spring: This strain is very cold hardy and set fruit in low temperature. The strain is developed at OSU for growing in cool climate. Compact grow habit, ca 60 cm high with 25-27 cm long and 16 cm wide leafs, midsize tomatoes with little irregular shape in trusses with 10-12 on each. Firm very meaty tomatoes that reminds of small beefsteaks tomatoes with a good rich tomato flavour.

Polar Baby: Very small plants bear large harvests of 2-inch red salad tomatoes. These tomatoes are sweet and very well flavored, especially for a variety that produces so early. This is a cold weather tomato that was developed in Alaska. Determinate. 60 days.

Polar Beauty : This variety earns its name for the beautifully shaped, deep red fruit it bears very early in the season. Developed in Alaska for colder climates, it bears small to medium-sized oblate tomatoes with a good, full tomato taste. Short, bushy plants are very productive. Determinate. 63 days.

Prairie Fire: Intensely red, 3 to 5 oz. tomatoes on very short, bushy plants light up the garden, earning this variety its name. Its full flavor is tangy yet nicely balanced with sweetness and is superior to many cold weather tomatoes. Very productive plants give a large crop early in the season. This variety is a result of a cross between Sub Arctic and a beefsteak tomato. Determinate. 55 days.

Santa: This is a selection of the popular F1 Santa. A high yielding ca 160 cm high tiny sprawling plant, 30-35 cm long leafs, you can grow this as a big sprawling bush, or for earlier tomatoes with one main steam. Long trusses with 15-16 meaty mini Roma tomatoes with a shiny bright red colour, sweet strong full flavour. Healthy plant that grows well in cool weather. Cut off all trusses before the first frost and hang up them on a dark airy place inside, they will mature slowly and hold for a long time.

Sashas Pride: Red color, Meat type, 55 days growth, Medium size, Indeterminate yield, Beef shape

Siberia: Low very early plant, ca 50-60 cm high with 15-20 cm long leafs. Strong stem that need good support from the weight of the tomatoes. Loaded with midsize tomatoes in trusses of 6-7, good sweet taste. Unique strain from Siberia that tolerate very low temperature and grow well in cold areas and give a good yield of tomatoes the whole season. Early, Det (Rugose), golf ball sized red fruit.

Siberian: Very small plants bear heavy crops of 2 oz., oval tomatoes that are bright red and juicy with good tomato flavor. Although plants stay low-growing, they do spread out and become bushy with rugose foliage. Harvests begin incredibly soon, and many gardeners report they are pleasantly surprised by this early variety's excellent flavor. Determinate. 58 days.

Siberian Pink: early, Det, plants that nearly break down from the amount of tomatoes produced. Our own selection for an early, small fruited, pink tomato, very high yields, tart, 6 to 10 fruits per cluster 1 to 2 oz. each. Sand Hill Preservation

Siletz: Deep red, full-flavored slicing tomatoes are 10 to 12 ozs. and very nice for an early variety. Developed by Dr. James Baggett of Oregon State University, these plants yield well even in cool weather. Good acid taste and excellent interior fruit quality in an early tomato. Determinate. 52 days.

Silvery Fir Tree: Low very early plant, ca 50-60 cm high with 15-20 cm long leafs. Strong stem that need good support from the weight of the tomatoes. Loaded with midsize tomatoes in trusses of 6-7, good sweet taste. Unique strain from Siberia that tolerate very low temperature and grow well in cold areas and give a good yield of tomatoes the whole season.

Sophie's Choice: early, Det, RL, 6 to 8 oz., good yield of about 8 oz. fruits, nice taste, from Edmonton, AB, Canada. A perfect tomato for growing in pots on the patio.

Stupice: From Czechoslovakia, this is an extremely early cold-tolerant tomato that bears an abundance of 2 ounce flavorful and sweet tomatoes. This variety has become a garden favorite for its earliness, productivity, and truly wonderful taste. Indeterminate. 52 days.

Sub Arctic Maxi: One of a series of extra early tomatoes bred for extremely cold climates. Dwarf vines produce concentrated clusters of 2-1/2 oz. fruit with good flavor. Excellent for Northern gardeners or anyone seeking early tomatoes. Determinate. 62 days.

Superbec: very early, Det, 8 oz. fruits, red globe from Quebec.

Victor: early, Det, RL, small bush, heavy producer of 4 to 5 oz. red globe fruits. Introduced prior to 1955 by Michigan State College. An All American Bronze Medal winner.

Wheatly's Frost Resistant: early, Ind, large plum shape, pink-red skin and flesh, excellent yield.

Whippersnapper: very early, Ind, pink/red cherry, plants seem to have more fruit than leaves.

Zomok Early cold resistant Hungarian strain, short compact plant, ca 70-80 cm high, 15-25 cm long little thin leafs, tomatoes in trusses with ca 6 on each. Good harvest of midsize plum shape little blocky tomatoes, meaty little mealy tomatoes with a good mild acid taste. This strain grows well in cool weather and sets fruit in low temperature, good for short season areas. The name comes from the shape of the tomatoes, and it means something like; meaty and little clumsy.


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How do you cat-proof?

posted by: lmschneider on 02.25.2009 at 12:10 pm in Growing from Seed Forum

I am planning to start some herbs and tomatoes inside for the first time. The ideal spot to do this is in the basement, I am thinking of doing a 48" W shelving unit to hold the seed trays with lights attached to the unit.

My biggest concern is how will I keep my cat away from this area. The basement also houses the litter boxes, so cannot shut the door....and I will not move the boxes...cause he would be sure to make me pay for that. My cat (Jag) is definitely a plant eater...last year I brought in a 4-pack of peppers I had yet to was going to get chilly that night and they were on the ground so I thought I'd protect from the outdoor elements (rabbits, weather). Well overnight the cat climbed up some decorative shelving attached to my kitchen cabinets I had placed the plants on...thinking I had put them in a high spot he wouldn't notice but of course he feasted on the pepper plants.

Anyone had successful methods to keep cats out of their seedlings?

I've thought of a few things, but not sure if they would work out okay. First would be putting up a clear shower curtain around the unit to keep cat out...but I want to be sure to not create to warm of a spot for growth and want to be able to get air circulation with use of fan. Another was to make like a "wall" out of cardboard and cover with reflective material that can create a "room" for the unit and be easily moved for my access.


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RE: Scherrs doors with IKEA boxes? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: shelayne on 07.06.2008 at 03:50 pm in Kitchens Forum

Just FYI-- for the IKEA pullouts, you have to drill your own holes on the IKEA pullout doors, as they they use the same doors for cabinet uppers, and they are only bored for hinges. The drawer pack apparently has the template. I haven't seen it, yet, as my entire kitchen of flat packs is stacked in my garage. Do a search on ikeafans, as this has been discussed previously. They may even have the templates, but it is easy enough to make your own, using an IKEA drawer. Get an Arlig drawer front, as they are approximately $2.

I am bucking the trend and going with a different vendor than Scherr's. They were just a bit too pricey for me, since I want v-groove panels for my lowers, and some mullioned doors. For anyone that is interested in vendors outside of Scherr's, I have found in my search of custom doors, that most vendors will bore the hinge cups for you. The boring pattern is Pattern B, with 5mm from the edge, and 3" to the center top and bottom--the Blum pattern for the Blum hardware that IKEA uses. The only difference is the size of the two holes flanking the cup. Standard Blum is 8mm and IKEA is 5mm. You can order the standard Blum Inserta hardware for frameless cabs, and it works with the IKEA cabinets just fine. I have both hinges, and they look exactly the same, except for the size of the pin holes. You can also specify the cup boring only and then drill your own pin holes. I did note that posters on ikeafans had no problems with the larger holes and IKEA hardware, as the 35mm cup is the one that really holds the door. IIRC, they had used Maplecraft USA custom doors.


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Door Vendors (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: shelayne on 07.19.2008 at 01:39 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi Caligirl,

I actually am thinking about going with a different company than the one I was leaning toward. The one I am looking at now is called I got a quote (the day after I e-mailed them, so they are quick)for less than $700, including shipping! This is paint grade wood, but the better woods were not bad at all. This company is out of Texas. I even mixed it up a bit from what they offer on their website, and they gave me a quote for exactly what I stated. They say it takes approximately 9-10 days once they receive your order.

I am going to order a couple of doors from them, but so far I am liking what I am seeing. You really cannot beat $8.99 a square foot!(They also do NOT upcharge for drawer fronts as other companies tend to do.) I inquired about the Pattern B hinge boring, and that was also part of my quote.

The other company was I really liked the doors that I received, but they do not do the hinge drilling I need for the Blum hardware. I asked specifically, and he said it is all done by machine, and they only have the one pattern. Too bad. The nice thing about refacedepot, though, is that you see the cost of your doors immediately. You choose your door style, wood, edge profile, etc., enter the dimensions, and the total price is shown. I liked knowing what I was "getting into".

I noticed that some posters on Ikeafans have used for their doors. They do the specific Pattern B hinge boring, but I do not know of their prices. One poster said their quote was $1000 less than Scherr's and averaged to about $17 per square foot.

HTH! Let me know how it goes! I am excited to see your kitchen! :^)


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