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RE: color cordinating- who does and who doesnt? (Follow-Up #29)

posted by: morrisnoor on 11.04.2010 at 06:17 am in Antique Roses Forum

I always do color (and texture, and shapes...) schemes in my -and others- garden. And no colour is out of my palette,even bright and vibrant yellows, reds and oranges.
Contrasts should be important too, because pale colour schemes, and especially one-only colour schemes, are prone to become boring and featurless if not really well composed.

By the way, color can be important when you have limited space available, and many Roses to grow togheter :o)) - right color combinations are able to enhance the beauty of each rose and set off their puculiar qualities at the best.

I do love especially to put togheter two climbing or rambling roses, both in color blend or in contrast: for instance, I have 'Belle Portugaise' and 'Clg. Cramoisi Supérieur' on an Olive tree,

'Purezza' with 'Cooper Burmese' (same color, very different shape) on the working shed roof

A blend of 'Lamarque' and 'Jaune Desprez' in early October at the edge of the "white and blue" garden

Just a few more pictures on the subject

'Le Vésuve' and 'Archiduc Joseph/Monsieur Tillier', this is a part of a larger and complex color scheme with grey and purple leaved plants, salmon, pale orange / coppery tones, and a few bright pink spots.

'Sally Holmes' and "Lady Plymouth" (ID questioned, probably a compact clone of 'Lady Hillingdon') in a scheme of white, light yellow buff, grey and light blue



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RE: Phyllis Bide or Crepuscle or ? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: cemeteryrose on 04.12.2009 at 08:13 pm in Antique Roses Forum

The Phyllis in my garden would be MUCH too vigorous for the tripod you describe. Crepuscule gets big, too.

We have a rose in the cemetery that would be perfect. Vintage sells it as "Marlow Soft Orange," and it's available. It's a climbing HT, grows happily on a six-ft tripod for us, and has luscious cream, soft orange, and pink tones. Big flowers, good rebloom. They show a big climbing habit for it, but describe it as "restrained" in growth, which is my experience, too.

Look at the photos of it on HMF and you'll fall in love.


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RE: Suggestions for orange climbing rose. (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jerijen on 11.12.2012 at 08:30 pm in Roses Forum

This is "Rusty's Angel's Camp Orange," a climber thought perhaps to be 'Royal Sunset,' which was collected by Rusty Rolleri, in Angel's Camp, CA. I think the Historic Garden volunteers may propagate this one for the April Open Garden and Sale.

I like this a lot. If you're interested, I can post an image of the plant, in full bloom in the Sacramento City Cemetery.



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RE: Duftendes Weisskirchen and Larry Daniels bloom (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: jerijen on 03.15.2012 at 09:21 pm in Antique Roses Forum

NO ONE knows where Bob Edberg (Limberlost) got his clone. Bob said he got it from his son, and doesn't know where his son got it, and that's ALL that he's saying. I have my suspicions, but I don't really KNOW.

I'm fairly sure Burling has Sequoia's clone. I have a photo of that hedge. Let me see if I can find it. I can send it to you direct, so everyone doesn't have to look at it.

Matt -- It can blackspot in conditions where that is a problem. If you lived in El Paso, now, or maybe Odessa, or Fort Stockton . . . :-)



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P.m. resistant Old Garden Tea roses and Tea Noisettes

posted by: luxrosa on 11.21.2011 at 06:19 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Luanne and I both live within 10 miles from San Francisco, california where conditions greatly favor powdery mildew,
- neither of us spray

I thought it might benefit others if I listed our healthiest Old Garden Tea roses.
The only Tea listed here that has showed a mild amount of blackspot is Mme. Berkeley. Otherwise these are very healthy Teas.

These Teas flower heavily through spring, summer and autumn and through mid-december, and have less than 5% disease usually, and sometimes show up to 15% p.m., which is within my standards for
-very good health range standards for organically grown roses.

Healthy Tea rose list; where conditions primarily favor powdery mildew;

Yellow and y. blend Teas;

Souvenir de Pierre Notting
Etoille de Lyon
Anna Olivier
Marie Van Houte
Poly-Tea 'Perle d'Or'
Le Pactole (after a couple years)

Tea Noisettes
Celine Forestier healthiest among the 3 yellow Tea Noisettes I've grown, followed by
Reve d'Or

Pink Teas

1.Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne (one of my favorite pink Teas, very shapely blooms and far more resistant to p.m. than Mme. Lombard)
2.Mme. Berkeley (caveat gets some b.s. in warm weather but is very resistant to p.m. which is why I want more of these)
3. Mrs. Dudley Cross
4.Mlle Franziska Kruger very sophisticated hues of coppery pink and buff yellow. (disease resistant after she reached a size of 3' tall, after her immune system kicked in)
Poly Tea; Mlle. Cecille Brunner and Spray Cecille Brunner

Brightly colored Teas
Monsieur Tillier
Rosette Delizy
both equally healthy

white Teas
Westside Road Cream Tea" very healthy and constant blooming.

Border line Teas and Tea Noisettes
these are usually covered with a thin coating of powdery mildew but their flower production is never decreased.
Duchesse de Brabant
Mme. Alfred Carriere
Marechal Niel still only 2 feet high, it could develop more resistance.
Devoniensis thick p.m. but never stops blooming.
Mme. Lombard a great beauty despite the plant appearing as if it is covered in sugar icing from p.m..
Alliance Franco-Russe defoliated from p.m. as a young plant, however a huge plant in our neighborhood in an abandoned garden is clean during summer and only has mild p.m. in spring and autumn.

Shovel pruned
these 3 Tea roses defoliated from powdery mildew and were sent to rose heaven.
China-Tea Ducher
Angels Camp Tea
Georgetown Tea



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P.M. resistant Tea roses?

posted by: luxrosa on 12.07.2011 at 06:26 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I live near San Francisco, California and I'm interested in hearing from others about which Tea roses are resistant to powdery mildew because the cool temperatures and the level of humidity where I live are conditions that favor that fungal disease, greatly. Where I live, blackspot on Tea roses is rarely a problem.

In 3 gardens within 15 miles of San Francisco, including my garden, I've studied c. 50 different Tea and Tea Hybrids grown without ever being sprayed.

List of Tea roses that are most resistant to Powdery Mildew, without ever being sprayed. This allows for some p.m. to show, a light film of p.m. during the worst weeks of the year, but no defoliation, ever and a normal bloom display.

Healthiest White Tea and Tea Hybrids
Westside Road Cream Tea' a fragrant rose that is in full bloom as I write this in early December and reblooms rapidly through the 3 other seasons.

Tea-Hybrid cl. 'Mrs. Herbert Stevens'. listed in the Oz book on Tea roses and a good substitute for an O.G.R. Tea in cooler climates. Blooms early in the year with Mme. Alfred Carriere (but the Mrs. is far healthier) at the end of February, when the other H.T.s don't come into bloom until late April.
3. White Maman Cochet
4. 'Lamarque' Tea-Noisette the healthiest of the white Tea-Noisettes by far. with St. Leonards coming in second.
5. St Leonards' a Tea Noisette.
6. Le Pactole originally sold as a Noisette it is one of my favorite Tea roses.
Disease Pink Tea roses and blends
A list
Mme. Berkeley stands out as being the healthiest rose in a no spray garden of 200 mixed rose cultivars, where conditions favor p.m. (but I've heard that it does not do well where conditions favor blackspot primarily)
B. Mlle. Fransizka Kruger' I almost threw this rose out as a small plant and am thrilled that it developed a strong immune system when mature. Even in December it shows little disease.
C. Mlle. Cecille Brunner' Poly-Tea Hybrid. all forms, short, Spray, and Climbing are equally resistant to p.m. and show very little b.s. locally.
D. P. and the other Nabonnand Teas whose first name slip my mind.
E. Le Vesuve China-Tea
F. Souvenir de un Ami
G. that Wagram Tea, I don't have its full name with me. On rootstock this has grown to be an amazing size, c. 8 feet tall by nearly as wide. pink with peach tones, quite impressive.
H. Bon Silene
I. Huntington pink Tea
J. Maman Cochet

reported to me: A lady who brought an exceedingly fragrant bouquet of 'Anna Olivier' to the Old Rose Celebration said that the plant which supplied the roses was growing by the road near Santa Cruz and showed no sign of disease. The leaves in the bouquet were utterly clean.

Disease resistant Yellow blend Teas and Tea Hybrids
A list
Souvenir de la Pierre Notting. (though I dislike the brown ruff around the blooms that form a couple days after it opens this is healthier than Alliance Franco-Russe, here.
Etoille de Lyon , such pretty foliage. Oh I do love this rose. I had a bouquet of Lemon Spice and Etoille de Lyon and could hardly tell them apart in the vase except by size of bloom and fragrance.
Marie Van Houtte', healthy and lovely. quite thorny for a Tea
GLoire de Dijon only a little b.s. in autumn, but the plant is not vigorous and only has one basal cane. I hope the new clone from France is bushier.
Reve d'Or

Richly hued Teas, healthy in our no spray gardens:
A list
Rosette Delizy
Monsieur Tillier, healthier than C.C.
Clementina Carbonieri, a light covering of p.m. when young but grew out of it.
Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne' as elegant as Mme. Lombard in bloom style, but by far more resistant to p.m..
Souvenir de Therese Lovet' a little b.s..
Francis Dubreuil also shows a little blackspot in autumn.

Borderline Tea and Tea Hybrids
these flower normally but are always covered with a fthick layer of p.m..
Mme. Alfred Carriere
cl. and bush form of 'Devoniensis' one of my favorite roses in bloom, sigh...but thickly frosted with p.m..
Mme. Lombard' also thickly covered with p.m.. which is a real shame as it is so lovely.
Angels Camp Tea when mature during a few of the hottest weeks of the year it has no p.m., but it usually does.
Duchess de Brabant' also covered with p.m. all year long but I keep it because it blooms through the most months of the years of among c. 50 Tea roses.

Defoliated and sent to a dryer,hot climate
Ducher' China-Tea
Georgetown Tea

I'm sure I've forgotten some, I've been documenting bloom cycles and health of Tea roses for several years.



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Tea types? Quickly tall or slowly wide?

posted by: sherryocala on 11.14.2010 at 01:20 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I've found there are two (maybe 3) distinct growth habits among the teas in my garden and was wondering if they are comparable to yours.

The first type gets tall rather quickly, taking on the famous vase shape. I haven't had many of them as it turns out. The two that are prime examples are Monsieur Tillier and Rosette Delizy. They shot up the first year, started to V out the second year and got quite wide the 3rd year, almost losing the V because of their width, but it was still there. To a lesser/slower degree Mlle Franziska Kruger, General Schablikine, Arcadia Louisiana Tea and General Gallieni seem to be growing upright but the V isn't there yet. Mrs B R Cant may be in this group, but mine being on fort seems to make her unlike these other fine-boned teas.

The second type grows low and wide first, staying in the 1' to 2' range for the first couple years and very slowly adding height. They are Bermuda's Anna Olivier, Enchantress and Souv de Francois Gaulain. I would put Le Vesuve in this group but he's faster to attain height in the 3rd year - oh, and width, too. He's a biggun.

The third type may be a combination more than a separate type, but they become rounder bushes with no obvious V so that makes me think of them as a 3rd type. They are Duchesse de Brabant, La Sylphide, Mme Antoine Mari and Mme Antoine Rebe. I have a rose labeled Rose Nabonnand (no info to be found anywhere) that is growing this way. If Jean Bach Sisley is a tea, he grows this way as well. She's still really small, but Faith Whittlesey seems to be falling into this group.

A fourth group may just be one rose - the Cochet clan. They seem to grow gangly, open and at all angles. Maman Cochet is throwing long, hefty side shoots everywhere and far apart so she is the exact opposite of bushy, much like MBRC is for me. White Maman Cochet is still in a pot but is doing the same things, and Niles seems to want to throw long canes but only a few so far. Poor guy is slow to the nth degree!

Have you all had similar results? Or is this a high heat/humidity/limy sand phenomenon? (Notice I didn't say "sandy soil". I don't think this stuff qualifies as soil, slthough it does grow big oaks & pines.) I will add that Mons Tillier and Rosette Delizy are no longer in my garden due to alarming cane loss (whole, 4+ ft, young green canes going black). I surmised that these fast-growing plants were outgrowing their nutrients (gut not science), and when I removed them, I found their roots were in really crappy limy (7.3+/- pH)gray cement-like sand, so I wonder if that wasn't supplying them with the nutrients needed for healthy canes. In light of my experience with these two type-1 roses I have resolved to stay away from them although the others of this type in my garden that aren't so extreme in growth rate are doing fine. (I suspect their soil conditions aren't much different either.) I prefer the health and growth habit of the type-2 roses. Type-3 & -4 roses are healthy in my garden but have a much more open structure which I am less fond of but isn't a reason to remove them.

Now that I've read what I wrote it, it just seems to be an expansion on the Vintage growth types. So in some ways I'm only re-inventing the wheel, but in others I'm putting into words my real-life experience that somehow I hope explains and categorizes these roses for easier planning in our gardens. "Knowing" on paper what a rose is going to do is not the same as "knowing" in the ground what a rose does.

Sorry to throw another element into this already too long dissertation, but I'm wondering if the root systems of the different types mirror their above-ground growth habit. In my case keeping much of their roots out of my native soil would be better for the plants and would definitely dictate in plant selection. Those of you with clay would offer a better environment for the type-1's if that is the case.



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