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Countertop Geology, Part 5: Marble, Quartzite and other Favorites

posted by: karin_mt on 01.14.2014 at 06:22 pm in Kitchens Forum

This is round five of the Great Rocks Thread!

Please post your rock questions here. I've copied the basic info about quartzite and marble here because this is the most frequent question.

Quartzite and marble are hopelessly (deliberately?) mixed up in the decorative stone industry. My point, aside from just loving rocks, is to help folks learn how to tell the difference between the two so you are not at the mercy of a sales rep when a multi-thousand dollar purchase hangs in the balance.

Quartzite is much harder than marble and will not etch when exposed to acids. You can tell the difference between quartzite and marble by doing the scratch test and the etch test.

Scratch Test
Take a glass bottle or a glass tile with you when you go stone shopping. Find a rough, sharp edge of the stone. Drag the glass over the edge of the stone. Press pretty hard. Try to scratch the glass with the stone.

Quartzite will bite right into the glass and will leave a big scratch mark.
Any feldspar will do the same. (Granites are made mostly of feldspar)

Calcite and dolomite (that's what marble and limestone are made of) will not scratch. In fact you will be able to feel in your hand that the rock won't bite into the glass. It feels slippery, no matter how hard you press.

PS - don't press so hard that you risk breaking the glass in your hand. You shouldn't need to press that hard!

Etch Test
Etching is when the surface of a rock is dissolved from acids like lemon juice, vinegar, wine, etc. It is the primary bummer about using marble in a kitchen. Etching is most noticeable on polished rocks. Etching is not prevented by sealers, no matter what you hear from the sales rep!

Doing the etch test is simple: bring home a sample of the rock and put lemon juice or vinegar on it. Even after a few minutes the results are usually obvious. Etched areas look duller and are discolored compared to the rest of the slab.

Some people get conflicting results with these two tests, but normally anything in the marble family will not scratch glass and it will etch.

Quartzite and rocks in the granite family will scratch glass and will not etch.

For reference, here are links to the other rock threads, in which many types of rocks have been discussed.

Rocks 101: The Lowdown on Super White

Rocks 102: Marble, Quartzite and Other Rocks in the Kitchen

Rocks 103: Countertop Geology: Marble and quartzite and granite, oh my!

Rocks part 4, Marble, Granite, Quartzite

With that, let the rock conversations continue!
-Karin

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Correct sink installation? Hercules Universal Sink Harness Kit?

posted by: spartans99 on 07.16.2014 at 09:56 am in Kitchens Forum

We are still debating between two countertops (soapstone vs steel rock granite - and yes, I know it's like apples and oranges - argh). However, I just purchased my Kraus 32" stainless sink last night and I am reading up on proper sink setting procedures . I am a little TKO on details like this, but I don't want to spend thousands of dollars and have problems after the fact.

So, all of that brings me to proper sink installation for an undermount sink. I have read we shouldn't be screwing the sink into the stone. I have also read we shouldn't just glue / epoxy the sink in place. The following link from Vermont Soapstone walks through a process with plywood build up in the sink base for the sink to rest in.

http://www.vermontsoapstone.com/discover/install_undermountsink.html

I have also read on this forum about the Hercules Universal Sink Harness kit. Do I need this in addition to, or instead of, the plywood build up as noted above?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

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sink installation
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Faucet Behind Sink???

posted by: mcfeatej on 02.17.2010 at 11:34 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi folks. We are in the midst of a kitchen remodel, and are having some difficulty picking a sink. We have a 29 inch sink cabinet, and want to get the biggest sink we can. The D-bowl seems to be best, but we don't like the look of the faucet in the corner... soooo, my question is: How big (deep) of a rectangular sink (outer diameter) can you use and still fit the faucet in the back? Kindred model KSS6U/9 is 19.25" deep; will a faucet fit behind it? Thanks in advance...

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sink & faucet placement
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Loving my acid washed marble

posted by: mazy123 on 07.29.2012 at 07:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

Just wanted to post about acid washed marble since I couldn't find much info about it when I was making my marble decision. I got Carrara marble and the place that fabricated recommends an acid wash finish that basically pre etches the surface. Then they put four coats of sealer on it. I have had it for about two months and so far it has been great. No etches or staining yet. It is not shiny since the acid hones it and it has a different type of feel than just regular honed marble. I really like the feel of it and everyone that comes over can't stop touching it. Hope this helps anyone that might be thinking about marble.

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New Reveal (long) - Garage into Kitchen!

posted by: Lauraeds on 07.07.2014 at 04:11 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hey all !

I finally managed to get photos taken of our new kitchen, which was finished just a few weeks ago. GW was a huge help ... I poured over post after post, gleaning info from everyone and really refining my vision.

It's a white, shaker-style kitchen, something I've always wanted after loving a previous deep wood/dark counters galley kitchen (old house), and after not-loving what this kitchen was (small, piecemealed, and grungy!)

The house is a beautiful old brick home from 1930, and the new kitchen is the old garage, which was attached on the western end of the home. Since we had to raise the floor (to meet up with the elevation of the rest of the home), we decided to blow out the two small rooms that were above the old garage, and take advantage of all the natural light provided through dormers, existing windows, and new windows and doors. This new kitchen has become the main "family entrance" to the house.

The old kitchen was the next room over, which you'll see now is much better suited with a pantry, office, and the three doorways and two stairways that mucked it up before!

Obviously, it's still a work in progress ... the walls seem big and bare now, but I'm waiting for just the right things to display. The barstools need to be recovered, and you'll notice a small loveseat with some "placeholder" fabric draped over it!

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In hopes of orienting you, here I am standing in the old kitchen, looking into the new kitchen (old garage). The bay of windows over the sink is where the old garage carriage doors were. They were great old wood on hinges … we repurposed them into a cool fence on the far side of a new garage.

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Here we are looking out the front of the house. The two windows were original to the house (garage). Since we had to raise the floor significantly, they dip back behind the counter. I was certain I would drop things back there, but nothing so far (just dust!)

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The cedar beams appear much more reddish in color in this photo than in real life. Since we removed the second story (which contained 2 old-school servant bedrooms, more recently a tiny office and defunct playroom), we needed the support of steel plates and big beams to keep the house together!

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These gorgeous doors (bad photo, sorry), open back on themselves, creating a huge view out the back. We keep them secured, and just use the one on the right as our main entrance into the house from the garage and the backyard. It's a dream, in terms of traffic flow!

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Here I am standing further back in the old kitchen. The door on the left is small stairs leading to the basement, and used to be the only access to the old garage, which was three steps down. We blew the wall open to create the open flow you see.
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Here is our "mudroom" of sorts … a locker for each person. It's more than enough space for coats, backpacks, shoes, devices (plugs for everyone!), and now I'm just trying to train everyone to use them!!!

The lattice panel is hiding a mini-split HVAC system. Since this area has such different heat/cooling needs, which thought this to be the best bet. It's worked well so far, and there is a small quiet compresser out back.

Above that, you'll see a small glass rail and balcony …. it's the old entrance to the upstairs hallway that lead to the small rooms we removed. Again, the finish isn't quite so red IRL.

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View from the overlook.

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Prep sink

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A handy extra gleaned from GW. I suppose I should paint or finish it somehow!

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This is the old kitchen. Next to the desk is a fabulous pantry … I will show it off soon, I hope … it's a big, huge mess right now!

Thanks for reading and looking, and thanks for the advice given over the past 2 years!

DETAILS:

Cabinets: Custom Shaker, locally made. Ben Moore White Dove.

Pulls: Lewis Dolan, Lews Hardware Bar Pull Collection, Bar Knob in Brushed Brass, myknobs.com

Counter: White Moon Quartzite, honed, pencil round edge

Prep Sink: Kohler Napa Single Basin Cast Iron Bar Sink - White

Kitchen Sink: Kohler Riverby 33" Single Basin Under-Mount Enameled Cast-Iron ��" White

Prep & Kitchen Faucets: Delta Trinsic Pullout Spray Bar/Prep -Champagne Bronze
Floors: Oak 4” planks, custom stained to match existing floors in house

Island Pendants: Circa Lighting, Hicks Pendant Extra Large, Hand rubbed brass, Custom Length Added.

Above-window Sconces: Schoolhouse Electric, Isaac Sconce Long Arm, Brass

Between-window Sconces: Restoration Hardware, Library Sconce, Antique Brass

Range: GE Monogram, 48” dual-fuel with griddle and double ovens

Hood: Custom Cabinetry, GE Monogram 48” Insert

Refrigerator: GE Monogram, 36” Professional Built-In Bottom Freezer. Custom panel made.

Dishwasher: Existing Bosch

Microwave: Existing GE Profile

Bev Fridge: GE Monogram Stainless Steel Beverage Center

Walls: Ben Moore CSP 665 Cool Breeze In various degrees: 25% on walls, 75% and 100% on the ceiling/dormers

Cabinet & Desk Back Walls: BenMoore Slate Teal 2058-20

Range Backsplash Tile: Walker Zanger Studio Moderne, Petite Imperial, Ming Blue Gloss

Glass folding doors and over-sink windows: custom made, painted Benjamin Moore Wrought Iron, 2124-10

Here is a link that might be useful: The full kitchen revealed - more photos

This post was edited by Lauraeds on Mon, Jul 7, 14 at 18:19

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Lovr thi whole kitchen
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Custom Drawer Inserts

posted by: meyersdvm on 06.05.2013 at 12:54 pm in Kitchens Forum

I learned about Wood Hollow's custom drawer inserts from this forum. I ordered from their eBay site last Wednesday and my drawer inserts arrived very well packaged yesterday.

I love that they match my wood drawer interiors and leave no wasted space. They are well made and very reasonably priced at $35 each for cutlery and utensil inserts and $25 for a fluted spice insert. My spice drawer is in a bank of base cabs that are only 18 inches in depth, so standard inserts would not have worked.

Spice drawer
Utensil drawer
Cutlery drawer

Here is a link that might be useful: Cutlery Insert

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RE: Is quartzite really, really porous...or not? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: sochi on 07.16.2011 at 09:46 am in Kitchens Forum

I think all stone needs to be sealed doesn't it - light granites, etc? I said that it needed to be sealed properly as some people on GW had problems with water stains or absorption with a certain kind of sealant. There was a long thread on this a few months back. I think the light quartzites demand a silicone based sealant. I've posted the link below, my apologies if I used the wrong term.

Here is a link that might be useful: previous thread

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see sochi's post on sealants for stone counters
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Marble, quartzite and other rocks in the kitchen

posted by: karin_mt on 02.27.2013 at 11:35 pm in Kitchens Forum

The thread about Super White, quartzite, marble and all things stone has run its course up to the 150 post limit. Who knew we'd all have so much fun with that topic? So we'll start a new one here. I guess the first thread was Rocks 101, so this one must be Rocks 102.

I'll reiterate some key points here:

Quartzite and marble are hopelessly (deliberately?) mixed up in the decorative stone industry. My point, aside from just loving rocks, is to help folks learn how to tell the difference between the two so you are not at the mercy of a sales rep when a multi-thousand dollar purchase hangs in the balance.

Quartzite is much harder than marble and will not etch when exposed to acids. You can tell the difference between quartzite and marble by doing the scratch test.

Take a glass bottle with you when you go stone shopping. Find a rough, sharp edge of the stone. Drag the glass over the edge of the stone. Press pretty hard. Try to scratch the glass with the stone.

Quartzite will bite right into the glass and will leave a big scratch mark.
Any feldspar will do the same. (Granites are made mostly of feldspar)

Calcite and dolomite (that's what marble and limestone are made of) will not scratch. In fact you will be able to feel in your hand that the rock won't bite into the glass. It feels slippery, no matter how hard you press.

PS - don't press so hard that you risk breaking the glass bottle. You shouldn't need to press that hard!

That aside, we can talk about other rocks too. Coal, pumice, sparkly crystals, you name it. OK, I guess we're mostly interested in kitchen rocks. :)

Here is a link that might be useful: the lowdown on Super White (aka Rocks 101)

This post was edited by karin_mt on Wed, Feb 27, 13 at 23:41

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Removing Etch Marks from Marble

posted by: i_m_fletcher on 01.08.2011 at 10:38 am in Kitchens Forum

I've had my new marble counter tops for about three weeks now. As expected, I've created a few etch marks on the counter tops - primarily in the prep area between the sink and range top as well as a few really good ones next to the sink edge.

Details:
-Calacatta Ruggine (very similar to Calacatta Gold)
-Brushed Surface (lightly polished with some texture)
-Sealed by Fabricators
-Etch marks created by lime juice and orange juice

I was under the impression that once an etch mark is made (and it happens instantly) there's nothing that can be done except get used to the new mark on the counter top. I'm ok with this in general and actually like the idea that my counter tops will develop a patina over time.

That being said, those first few etch marks stick out like a sore thumb and are a little rough to accept. I set out to see if I could remove them. The good news is that I found a process / product that I feel is very effective at removing these etch marks. Details are in the photo illustrations below.

Small Etch Mark Next to Sink:
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Same Etch Mark After Cleaning (proving it's really an etch not dirt):
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Etch Removal In Process:
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Counter Top After Polishing (Took <1 Min) and Cleaning:
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Another Etch Mark:
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After Polishing:
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Here's a Shot of The Product I Used:
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My question is, has anyone else used this stuff (or something similar)? Seems pretty easy and effective. Are there reasons that haven't occurred to me on why I shouldn't use this stuff? Is this common knowledge or an exciting development in the world of Marble counter top care here on Gardenweb?

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Great blog about marble countertops. Must read.

posted by: chloenkitty on 06.22.2014 at 09:39 am in Kitchens Forum

I'm seeing so many posts, blogs, etc about marble lately (probably because I want them as well lol) I thought I'd share this one as it's probably one of the best I've seen. I would, however, like to see pics of a polished marble say 5-10 years after installation.

http://petchhouse.blogspot.com/2006/03/sealing-marble-acid-test.html

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Your Guide to 15 Popular Kitchen Countertop Materials

posted by: mrs.wiggley on 06.22.2014 at 07:34 am in Kitchens Forum

Saw this article and thought it might make a good resource for this forum. It includes cost info. Covered here are:
Soapstone
Granite
Copper
Engineered Quartz
Tile
Zinc
Recycled Paper Based
Plastic Laminate
Recycled Glass and Cement
Marble
Concrete
Wood

Here is a link that might be useful: Countertop Choices

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All I Can Say About Neolith is WOW!!!

posted by: aloha2009 on 12.13.2013 at 05:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

After reading about Neolith on GW this week, I checked around and there is one distributor only 20 minutes away (next closest looks to be about 900 miles). The info that I saw seemed intriguing but it seemed to good to be true...a marble look that has incredible properties for countertops.

The beauty of the stone is still very vivid in my mind. We compared it to the Calcutta marble and even close up, I couldn't see a difference. The Neolith had the depth that we know natural stone has.The rep had a great assortment of marbles, granites, onyx, ceasarstone etc. You could tell though he loves this particular material.

Though I had seen videos, it was crazy to see IRL. He literally took the edge of a hammer and ran it across the Neolith, with sparks flying, and not a single scratch! Though he doesn't have the marble Neolith in yet (we saw one he is discontinuing), he plans to have it at a 4 or 5 price grade level. Considering the Calcutta marble that was closest in looks sells in the exotics.

The durability was crazy. No etching, scratching, non porous. I did note a weakness and that is the noise. It was like setting items on a piece of glass. Rather annoying but considering the look and durability, I think I've finally found my forever countertop material.

Here is a link that might be useful: Neolith Marble

This post was edited by aloha2009 on Fri, Dec 13, 13 at 18:28

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Firsthouse_mp, Did I miss any recent photos??

posted by: berardmr on 06.07.2014 at 06:49 pm in Kitchens Forum

It's been a rough month or so and I finally have the time to check out the beautiful kitchens and designs.

One of my all-time favorite "work in progress" kitchen remodel is firsthouse. Has she shared any pictures recently? I am so anxious to see that marble hood.

Firsthouse, if you read this, can you throw me a bone? Pretty please? I am hopelessly in love, sigh.

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range backsplash & hood...looks like one big wall. floor information....color & matte finish
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Cost of Glazed Ceramic Tile (Heath, Pratt & Larson)...etc

posted by: kompy on 04.04.2014 at 12:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm now starting to plan for my Powder Room remodel. I know many of you have used beautiful, handmade glazed ceramics on your kitchen backsplashes and I think they look amazing! I have fell in love with a bath on Houzz.com and would like to start putting together a budget.

How much per square foot are handmade glazed ceramic tiles? Companies such as Pratt & Larson, Heath and Encore? $25-$50? I figure it won't be cheap, but I don't want to settle on a generic tile.

Click link to see the bathroom with P&L tile by Goforth Gill Architects in WA.

Kompy

Here is a link that might be useful: Houzz Bathroom by Goforth Gill Architects in WA

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crackle tile....sealing before installation & 4 months after....question if used!
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first_housemp Update??

posted by: Lauraeds on 05.28.2014 at 06:54 am in Kitchens Forum

first_housemp, I'm dying to see how that stone hood/wall and the rest of your kitchen are coming along!! Any update or photos?

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The island is BM 1614 Delrey Gray
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How to ensure a smooth countertop install?

posted by: Mags438 on 05.22.2014 at 09:26 am in Kitchens Forum

Maybe I've been reading too many countertop install posts lately with my upcoming template, so it would be good to just ask: what should we ask, expect at template appt that could help the actual install be successful?

I'm picking up from posts that re-iterating exactly how you want the edges is important. Even if they brush you off by saying they have the design.

I'll also add, my countertop ppl mentioned in passing during meeting that I should have stove onsite. I mentioned back in passing to them I had no where to store it so hadn't planned on it since I had nowhere to store it. They sent a follow up email regarding upcoming template appointment, re-iterating to me (more forcefully this time, I might add) about the need for range to be onsite but didn't need to be installed. After reading and seeing photos on not-the-best installs here, guess what I've arranged to arrive before templating?

Anything else we should know or be aware of or to ask?

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Calling Bill Vincent (& other tile experts) for sealing advice!

posted by: Lauralena on 05.19.2014 at 12:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi, guys
My new bathrooms have just been completed, honed marble in one (shower shelves and window ledge); non-honed in the other (shower shelves and window ledge). The people who fabricated the pieces said that it had all been sealed.

My questions:
� At what point/how often should I re-seal?
� How do I know whether to use topcoat sealer or penetrating sealer?
� Does it make a difference for the marble that is exposed to water vs. the marble that isn't?

Thank you!

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carrera marble rust info
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Preliminary Peek @ Painted Barker Cabinets

posted by: grlwprls on 03.01.2013 at 11:16 am in Kitchens Forum

Here's a very early sneak peek at my site painted Barker Cabinets. We still have a few drawer fronts to install on this run and the applied door to cover the side of the bookcase (the last cabinet on the far L of the run). I haven't done the fine adjustments on the Blum hardware or installed any door pulls yet. No toe kick or base trims or any other trim have been installed yet, either. Our floor was a bit of a wreck from the previous kitchen and the prior Jacobean stain on the oak and the not so great skill of prior painters. Since the floor doesn't have another sanding in it in the adjoining living room, I just hand blended in the floor as best I could and will take great pains not to point out the floor's flaws to guests.

Our walls are SW Creamy, our trim (can you even see any?) is SW Pure White. The cabinets are BM Vellum in semi-gloss Advance. Our countertop is Witch Hazel Corian. On this run we did do the 4" splash, but on the range wall, there's a tile splash from counter to ceiling. The faucets at the main and prep sink are uncoated brass from Newport Brass. The sink is biscuit Silgranit and we have runnels carved in the counter under that upside down salad bowl.

It's a cloudy morning here in AR - and we're still missing a few lights. We have LED's everywhere, except in the vintage schoolhouse pendant (again, I don't think you can see that) and the wall mounted Reed sconces from Rejuvenation. Finally got my issue resolved with my Hafele Bali bar. It must have been damaged in shipping - because the replacement came in a wood structured rigid cardboard box. The original one came in a half taped shut cardboard wrap.

Oh, and see my little blue bird sugar bowl by the Keurig? I think that would be perfect in Fishie's amazing yellow kitchen :-)

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Everything I Wanted to Know About Drawers...

posted by: aloha2009 on 02.02.2013 at 06:31 am in Kitchens Forum

I was hoping to make this thread not only informational for myself, but that other information regarding drawers could be collected together. This is all about function.

Obviously to maximize storage and ease of use, drawers are the way to go.

Some things that are not so obvious are about framed, frameless and inset cabinets.

Another is how do cabinet manufacturers differ (if any) on the available usage.

The usage of 3 drawer vs 4 drawer (or even 5 drawer) stacks.

Determining the width of cabinets for your kitchen.

If you have answers to any of these please proceed.

Framed, frameless and inset cabinets utilize differing INTERIOR usable measurements. Please specify the type of cabinets you have (framed, frameless or inset) your manufacturer (or custom), the size of the cabinet, and what the entire TOP drawer INTERIOR measurements are (width, length, height). I stated top drawer only for comparison purposes since only the height should change from drawer to drawer. Perhaps certain manufactures have better storage in their cabinet lines.

Why did you choose cabinets with 4 drawer (and 5 drawer) stack when you did? How many do you have? How did you deal with the "horizontal lines" differences between your 3 and 4 drawer stacks? Just one aesthetic question isn't too bad.

Though wider cabinets are highly prized here, why did you choose narrower cabinets, instead of the widest available that would fit in your kitchen?

If there is anything else, I haven't though of to ask to have this thread be as complete as possible regarding drawers, please feel to add.

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Starting up another remodel (part 2) photo heavy

posted by: jgopp on 05.02.2014 at 08:47 pm in Kitchens Forum

So the old thread got pretty long I think. I wanted to show you guys how the progress is coming. The cabinets are a little wonky since they have not been adjusted yet so please disregard that. I've included a couple other shots of the house progress as well.

Still a ways away, things here in the country seem to take a bit longer. But as long as it's done in time for summer I'll be smitten.

Bonus view pic

Master bath pics

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Nobody does drop-in sink on stone countertop? Really?

posted by: mudworm on 03.17.2011 at 03:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

I know... undermount is more popular these days -- it allows continuous flow in granite, and is easy to wipe stuff off, etc. But then I also read about how gunk might (although not always) build up at the seam depending on the reveal, and how the granite edge might get chipped, etc.

Do people all stay away from drop-in sinks when using solid/stone countertops such as granite? I personally do not consider them ugly, but on the other hand, I've never owned a granite countertop. But we WILL use granite in our remodeled kitchen . Here are the pros and cons I see with drop in sinks (without having researched thoroughly into sinks):

Pros:
- Easier installation, thus lower cost
- No chipped edges
- Easy to replace in case of the need

Cons:
- visible on the granite surface, thus disrupting the flow
- gunk may build up at the seam along the edge
- they tend to look less elegant (? not sure on this one)

Anyhow, for those people who do have drop in sinks on solid stone countertop, do you regret? And could you please post pictures? Thank you!



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Backsplash Recommendations

posted by: ms222 on 05.13.2014 at 08:56 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hey all,

I would like some backsplash recommendations for my kitchen setup. At first I was thinking of blue mosaic glass, but I think I would get tired of it. Second, I was thinking of a mosaic pearl/shell reflective backsplash but it may be too beige/creamy.
I was also thinking of a mosaic marble, but I heard often times it yellows with grout. Any advice?

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Can a 1 ft. wide tall cab be useful?

posted by: fori on 04.09.2014 at 06:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

Howdy! I have a 1 ft wide cabinet between the proposed fridge and the end of the run (to allow the fridge to open). The cabinet--along with the lower cabinets in the run--will be ~30" deep. Upper cabinets will be 18" deep.

Is 1 foot even worth having? Should I eat into the counter space and make it bigger? Any other suggestions on layout of this wall? The range will probably be only 30" but is drawn as 36" (but hood will stay 36").

There is an island directly across from this with DW and main sink.

What a terrible scan! Numbers from left to right are 2' 1.5", 3', 3' (stove), 2' 6", 18" (sink), 2', 3' 8.5" (fridge hole), 1', wall.

Thanks!

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Anyone use The Cabinet Joint- RTA online co. ?

posted by: Boops2012 on 09.17.2013 at 03:33 pm in Kitchens Forum

They have Scherr- that has gotten good reviews on here. Just wondering if any GW'ers have any experience with this co.?Trying to narrow down the cabinet quotes Ive gotten.

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A question for anyone that purchased Contestoga Cabinets Finished

posted by: aries61 on 04.27.2014 at 09:46 am in Kitchens Forum

I was looking at one of the assembly videos online and noticed that it looks like the underside of the bottom which faces the counter of the uppers is raw plywood. Did I see correctly? If I did, did you do anything with it?

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Orange spots on Carrara Marble--Is this Normal?

posted by: mommytoty on 05.11.2014 at 02:10 pm in Kitchens Forum

We are in the final stages of building a home (we move in this Friday!) and although the "White Carrara Marble Extra" has been installed on my kitchen counters for a few weeks, they've been covered up with a brown paper the whole time for protection. They finally took the paper off and I am noticing tiny orange-rust colored spots in a couple areas (not everywhere uniformally). Are these spots normal to this type of marble or are these stains of some sort?? If these are stains, can they be removed?

Here is a close up picture:

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carrera marble - different grades?

posted by: dcmarvel on 05.13.2014 at 07:15 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hello carerra marble experts out there...

I just had my carerra marble counters installed 2 months ago and I am already seeing some weird things. I have lived with carerra marble in a previous house for 6 years, lived with the etching and staining and loved it. Decided to go with carerra marble again, different contractor, different stone guy.

its been 2 months and I am already seeing a few weird things:
- there are two chips on the edge already (did not have any in previous house)
- around the sink, some white lines have appeared in the marble - I will try to post photo but it keeps getting rejected;
- there are what looks and feels like divets in the marble; meaning the texture is not smooth in places, there are small holes - there are darker grey spots that are lower than the surrounding white marble (will try to send photo). These have been there since Day 1.

Can anyone tell me what this all means. Are there different grades of carrera marble - could it be that I have low grade marble, which nicks easier... white lines?

ughh... I don't know what I can do, if anything. My contractor is coming back on Friday to look at them... but I am afraid I am stuck with the marble and if it looks like this after only 2 months....

Thanks for any insight!
donna

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Conestoga Cabinets Quality

posted by: grokzilla on 03.03.2014 at 05:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Howdy:

Having some work done on a 120 year old victorian which includes a kitchen remodel.

Our KD has highly recommended we go with Conestoga Cabinets (Conestoga Wood Specialties an Amish cabinet maker I believe). Large portions of the kitchen will be custom, which Conestoga will create and finish, but of course the boxes are sent RTA, which the KD is actually going to build and install.

What little I can find on the forum seems to suggest that Conestoga is high quality, but it's somewhat unclear. He says they are notably better than Shiloh. True?

Does anyone have experience with them? And, what sort of quality are we looking at here?

Is it Kraftmaid from Lowes? Is it Omega Dynasty? Is it Plain and Fancy? Is it Woodmode? Where in the spectrum would you place Conestoga?

Here's the old thread that covered "rankings" of the various cabinet brands:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0517173926064.html

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Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake?

posted by: mholtz2323 on 02.05.2012 at 11:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

Hi
I am looking into getting Conestoga Cabinets and was wondering if anyone was familiar with their white finishes.
I want something to match Plain and Fancy's buttercream (which is just an off-white).
I've read that crystal white and chesapeake are their creamy colors (chesapeake being the most creamy).
I am ready to purchase some samples and thought I would do some research before wasting money on samples I know off the bat won't work.
Any pics to share?

Thanks

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RTA inset cabinets inset or full overlay?

posted by: capecg on 02.16.2014 at 08:09 am in Kitchens Forum

At the point where I'm ready to order my Conestoga cabinets. A KD told me to consider that inset cabinets would likely not wear as well where and peel where the painted doors comes in contact with the frame. Also said that the doors would warp and need to be adjusted during the humidity in Summer. Of course this KD didn't carry inset cabs so not sure if that was the driving force behind her opinion. Also wondering if inset were harder to assemble to make them even ? Can you see a space between the door and the frame?
I appreciate any advice you can give me. This kitchen remodel is a big deal to me an I don't want to make a big mistake.

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RE: Cost of Glazed Ceramic Tile (Heath, Pratt & Larson)...etc (Follow-Up #29)

posted by: fishymom on 04.06.2014 at 01:10 pm in Kitchens Forum

Bicyclegirl, the "Mushroom" is a KraftMaid color, but I had it color matched for our hood stack at Lowes and it was dead on. Here is what it says on the label:

Satin
Base A * 432979

BsA-432919 101-1 107-4 115-0.75

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RE: How difficult to repair scratches on new stainless sink? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: debrak2008 on 03.17.2014 at 05:00 pm in Kitchens Forum

This is my clipping from sherrilynn:

about any stainless steel sink. I recently had a huge compliment from my brother, a builder of high end homes. He was very impressed at how good my sink always looks. He is not a fan at ALL with SS. He prefers porcelain, which chips.
I asked him why he was so impressed with my sink and hates SS? It was because he has had to replace multiple high end sinks before closing because a workman or someone would have used a new homeowners SS sink and caused a 'scratch' in the bottom of the sink. The new homeowners would insist on a brand new sink before they would close.We all know that we can tolerate the damage that we do to our stuff, but not anyone else! When you spend well over a $1,000 to $1,800 for a sink, of COURSE you want it to be unblemished!

Well, I told him my 'secret' to keeping my 12" deep single basin Franke sink looking good. I've used this 'method' on ALL of my sinks and I just love it! My sink glows because of the 'patina' that it now has...and yours can, too. The finish looks better each time you use my method, too.

I use my sink! I also have a large family that I cook for and use some commercial size, heavy pans. Guests sometimes want to help in the kitchen, or teens, and they bang up the bottom, scratching the sink, and it will look just awful when they're done. They always apologize because they think they've ruined my sink. Never fear. I can 'fix' it in as little as 3 minutes from start to finish.

I've now trained my teens on how to help me maintain a good looking sink. AND if they scratch it, they restore it! It's that simple.

Here's what I do. About every other day, I use Bar Keepers Friend and one of the green scrubby pads that you can buy just about anywhere. It will keep average use to your sink 'maintained' between 'restoration' cleanings.

When there are scuffs and deeper scratches in the sink, I use sandpaper to wet-sand the metal in different grades of paper to restore the sinks. I prefer the black 'wet or dry' sandpaper by Norton that you buy at HD. I already have about 3" squares in multiple grades already cut out and in a baggy under my sink, so I'm ready when I need to 'do this'.

I start with about 150 grit working on the problem areas when I get to them, then work up to at least a 400 grit. I use small circular pattern and overlap all of my work. I never just 'rub' a scuff or scratch in a straight pattern; I always blend my work.

I start in the furthest back left corner and work across the back of the sink moving left to right, just as you would work if you were writing on lined paper. I do the entire sink bottom, then move to the sides. I start with 150 grit paper, then change to 220, then 320, then 400. I rinse the sink after each grit paper is used. Sometimes I use a little soap or BKF depending on my needs so I can move faster with the paper. Once you try it, you will understand what I mean.

I finish off with a good soapy rinse with a rag, then apply a 'finish' of Franke Inox cleaner or a wiping coat of vegetable oil. I have even used Rain-X to help repel spots. I'm just out of it right now and have been using up products I have under the sink. I use 'whatever' to just help the sink repel water right down the drain a.s.a.p..

My brother now had one of his guys using my method on their Franke sinks before final walk thru before closing on a new home. Guess what? They're not having to replace sinks anymore.

After you clean your sink a few times, your sink will start to gain a beautiful patina and smoothness to the finish and you will start to love stainless steel. I also use this method on my $10,000 Thermador Range top. It glows. I just love it.

I've been saving this for when I need it.

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RE: take a peek at my "soft modern" small kitchen design? (Follow-Up #52)

posted by: nosoccermom on 03.13.2014 at 12:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

149.00; however, not sure how much light they emit.


also in brass (139.00

Here is a link that might be useful: light fixtures at Remodelista

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Wolf dual fuel DF366 enamel failure What to do?

posted by: wekick on 07.05.2013 at 10:29 am in Appliances Forum

I have the Wolf 36 inch DF range and the enamel on the floor of the oven cavity has failed. It was 4 years 8 mos old. There is bare metal where the enamel has chipped off. In the past Wolf replaced appliances when this happened for those who had issues on this forum, even for a person who had double ovens that were over 4 years old. This oven has only been lightly used as it is a second oven and never at high heat. After haggling back and forth, they will give me the part and $325 towards labor which is estimated to start at $800 and can be more. This is a difficult repair and the cost of labor is based on an hourly rate for two techs and can vary based on their skill level, experience, speed, what else they might find etc. This would only have a one year warranty and given the ongoing issues, and my experience with blue porcelain(failue of blue enamel in 5 appliances in three brands), I am not sure I want to commit to an open ended reinvestment in "blue". So much for "decades of service" I thought I was buying according to their website.

Now what to do.

I can junk it and get something else but was wondering if the oven can be cut off leaving the rangetop or if something can be placed over the enamel on the floor. There are people who accidentally melt aluminum foil to the bottom and was thinking about something like that. My concern other than the eventual degradation of the floor of the oven is the glass shards of enamel finding their way into food or being inhaled.

Any other ideas?

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How Do You Modify Wall To Recess Standard Depth Fridge.

posted by: Renosarefun on 02.02.2014 at 02:41 pm in Kitchens Forum

My wife likes the look of a counter depth fridge but doesn�t like the fact that they�re not very deep and the price is normally around 30-40% more. The fridge that we have purchased, (not yet delivered) is Kitchen aid KFIV29PCMS with the dimensions below.

Has anyone ever recessed the fridge by removing the drywall and studs directly behind the fridge and added reinforcement to support the drywall in the opposite room? The stud is 3 �" and drywall is �" for a total of an extra 4" of space. The fridge requires a 1" air gap between the rear of the fridge and wall which would allow for some metal reinforcement to be installed to replace the missing studs. This would allow the fridge to be recessed approximately 4" more and come close to the counter depth and I would have panels on both sides so as to hide the rear of the fridge. The receptacle could be mounted in the cabinet above the fridge and since I would do all the construction work cost would be minimal and nowhere near the added cost of a counter depth model.

Can members tell me how they accomplished this and what reinforcement they used?

Overall Width: 35 11/16"
Overall Width Door Open 90�: 38 3/16"
Overall Depth: 35 11/16"
Overall Depth without Handles: 33 3/16"
Overall Depth without Door: 28 15/16"
Overall Depth with Doors Open 90�: 48"
Overall Depth with Drawer Open: 47 5/8"
Overall Height: 70 1/8"
Overall Height without Hinges: 68 5/8"
Gross Weight: 352 Lbs.

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kitchen reveal almost completed not staged kitchen-need tile help

posted by: magsnj on 01.12.2014 at 06:49 pm in Kitchens Forum

A year and a half after moving in, my small kitchen is almost done. This is a picture of what it looked like when I moved in:

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Some of you may remeber it from me posting questions here. All of your help was invaluable (both direct and indirect), so THANK YOU!!

My objectives for the kitchen were:

- to make it feel consistent with the rest of the house (1928 small colonial)
-source as much as possible from the USA (preferably local)
-make it feel like a happy place to be

I stil need to add a backsplash. It's going to be Arctic White Matte Daltile (Made in NJ, USA) Subway Tiles. If you could please weigh in on what you would do on the wall of the stove, I'd appreciate it. The wall near the door is going to go up approx 5 ft. On the wall with the Stove, I'm tying to decide if I should go to the ceiling, to the first shelf and then the second shelf right above the range, or any other option I haven't considered.

I accomplished as much as I could with the budget that I had, and regret none of my color or sink choices. :) I'd highly recommend everything I used, bar the stove (oven's a little more shallow than I'd like, but otherwise it's great). Hope you like it!!

Sources:
Cabinet Color: Sherwin Wiliams Bathe Blue (USA)
Cabinets: Design Line Frameless Cabinets (NJ, USA)
Cabinet Hardware: White Chapel Ltd (USA);
Faucet: Delta (USA-ish)
Range: Frigidaire Pro slide in (USA-ish) You can tell it's really professional by the Chicken Nugget Button
Fridge: Frigidaire Pro (USA-ish); Love it
Dishwasher: Kitchenaid Architect Superba (USA-ish)
Lights: Lucent Lampworks (Doylestown PA, USA)
http://www.etsy.com/shop/lucentlampworks
Kitchen Counter: Honed Carrara Marble (Italy)
Pantry Counter: Pine (USA)
Floors: Original wood under the Linoleum
Sink: American Standard

BEFORE PICTURES (I'd like to say, I was really sad when this kitchen got taken out....it had served so long)

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I painted alot of samples before I decided on Cabinet Color....originally it was white with Yellow walls
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The floor was actually super easy to maintain, and if the wood underneath didn't work out, I would have chosen another linoleum
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Pantry
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AFTER PHOTOS I haven't been able to get the blue to photo true so here's the site address for the color:

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/281543700240647/

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The kitchen to have one flourescent light. I wanted to make sure it stayed bright.

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This is the wall that I need to know what to do with the subway tiles:
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Fridge (I won't take the plastic off til the kitchens done :) ):
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PANTRY
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Prep sink in a wood top island

posted by: mkc913 on 01.26.2014 at 05:34 pm in Kitchens Forum

I've been advised against this, but I love the look of a wood top for our island, and I also have a prep sink as part of the design. Will I regret this forever? If I go for it, what is the best approach in terms of type and style of wood (butcherblock or other?), type of sealing, any particulars re. sink (undermount/overmount etc.). I want something that will look ok with wear and accept scratches and marks without looking ruined. Love the reclaimed look but not sure it works with our space or where to source it in NJ. We probably won't cut directly on it and will us it minimally for food prep. Anyone out there with a sink in a wood island who is happy with it?

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