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RE: Jean's No Spray List (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: mauirose on 09.28.2008 at 01:42 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Here you go Sammy. I'll attach the link to the entire thread as well. Sometimes when a thread is too old to come up on Gardenweb i can get a hit just by googling it.

Posted by jean Zone 7/TN (My Page) on Fri, Sep 7, 07 at 22:31

Alkaline soil in KY is rare. You must be sitting on a pile o' serious limestone rock. I have a list of roses I grow here in Nashville without spraying. I have not updated recently, but it's pretty solid here. You may be enough farther north that some of these will be very tender for you. I am in a solid 7a/b climate here.
This list is of roses that are resistant to blackspot here. Some of these are seasonally prone to cercospora. My definition of blackspot resistance means that a rose will not lose more than 30% of its leaves to blackspot without spraying.


• The Fairy
• Cl. Clotilde Soupert
• Cl. Cecile Brunner
• Clotilde Soupert
• La Marne
• Gourmet Popcorn
• Mrs. R.M. Finch
• Perle d’Or
• Phyllis Bide
Hybrid Musks:
• Excellenz von Schubert
• Darlow's Enigma
• Gardindirektor Otto von Linne
• Carefree Delight
• Earth Song
• Pearl Meidiland
• Carefree Sunshine
• Belinda’s Dream
• Carefree beauty a/k/a/ Katy Road Pink
• Winter Sunset
• Prairie Sunrise
• Knock Out
• Alberic Barbier
• Francois Juranville
• Aviateur Bleuriot
• Alexander Girault
• Ayrshire Queen
• Paul Transon
• Emily Gray
• Francois Guillot
• Pink Pet/Caldwell Pink
• Arethusa
• Le Vesuve
• Comtesse du Cayla
• Bermuda’s Kathleen
• Ducher
• Napoleon
• Cramoisi Superieur
• Little White Pet
• Crepuscule
• Blush Noisette
• Souv de Mme. L’Advocat
• Narrow Water
• Nastarana
• Jaune Desprez
• Reve d’Or
• Duchesse d’Auerstadt
• Alister Stella Gray
• Lamarque
• Champney’s Pink Cluster
• William Allen Richardson
• Secret Garden Musk
• Lady Hillingdon
• Maman Cochet
• Duchesse de Brabant
• Baronne Henriette de Snoy
• Georgetown Lemon White Tea
• William R. Smith
• Rosette Delizy
• Comtesse Festestics
• Souv. de Pierre Notting
• Rock Hill Peach Tea
• La Sylphide
• Le Pactole
• Jean Bach Sisley
• Clementina Carbonieri
• Etoile de Lyon
• Mme. Maurin
• Alliance Franco-Russe
• Mrs. Dudley Cross
• Monsieur Tillier
• Mme. Joseph Schwartz
• Georgetown Tea
• Hermosa
• Isabella Sprunt
• Mrs. B.R. Cant
• Lorraine Lee
• Enchantresse
• J.E. Murphy's Pink Tea
• Angel Camp Tea
• Puerto Rico
• Safrano
• Mme. Antoine Rebe
• Mme. Berkeley
• Marie van Houtte
• Triomphe de Luxembourg
• Rhodologue Jules Graveraux
• Smith’s Parish
• Cels Multiflora
• Hume’s Blush
• Souv. d’un Ami
• Miss Caroline
• Thomasville Old Gold
• Duke of York
• Niles Cochet
• Mme. Antoine Marie
• Mme. Lombard
• Rubens
• Irene Bonnet
• Mme. Camille
• Paul Nabonnand
• Mme. de la Sombreuil
• Isabelle Nabonnand
• Devoniensis
Hybrid Teas:
• Eva de Grossouvre
• Radiance
• Red Radiance
• Careless Love
• Maman Lyly
• Lady Ursula
• Awakening
• Clair Matin
• Cl. Lady Waterlow
• Westerland
• Autumn Sunset
• New Dawn
• Strawberry Ice a/k/a Bordure Rose
• Souv. de la Malmaison
• Mystic Beauty
• Kronprincessin Viktoria
• Souv. de St. Anne a/k/a Miss Abbot

Here is a link that might be useful: Are there OGRs that don't require spraying


clipped on: 11.30.2008 at 09:38 pm    last updated on: 11.30.2008 at 09:50 pm

RE: Getting Discouraged with Teas.... (Follow-Up #25)

posted by: patricia43 on 03.15.2008 at 07:14 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Teas are so good, you can almost plant 'em and forget 'em. I would just do the same watering for teas that I do any other roses, only when needed.

I left this for you on another thread, but I will repeat. Hope you do not mind.

Robert, Patience is the operative word.

A few years ago, I had a delightful, older couple visit my garden. They fell smack dab head-over-heels in love with Jaune Desprez. They wanted one just like it, just the same size as mine. They asked where I had gotten it, and I told them, but I offered cuttings. They shook their heads almost simultaneously and said, "No, that would take too long. We don't have long." She said, "he's got cancer and I wanted it for him, so he could enjoy it, where could we get one the size of yours?" I knew I owned the only one anywhere nearby the size they wanted, and further, what they were wanting was not going to happen.

I explained how this rose had to be grown from a gallon or 2-gallon plant and that growth was slow, several years, even. I could see the sadness and the realization of a nearness to a curtain call, could feel it. I could have sat down and cried but I tried to be stoic and professional and not apologetic but yet not foolishly offer mine because that would not work either. They lamented their disappointment but also their reality.

I was at a garden shop a few weeks later. There was a New Dawn in a 5-gallon pot, good size, wanting to climb. I bought it and took it to their house. They thanked me for buying it and I offered to plant it but he wanted to.

About 2-1/2 years passed, having never heard a word again, she called me. She wanted me to know. She told me that he had died over the winter but the rose had been a pleasure for 2 springs, and was still pretty and that he enjoyed it although it wasn't the same pretty rose I had, it was nonetheless just as pretty.

She asked me if she could bring some of her lady friends over in spring to see my garden. I told her to call. She called one day when I was very busy. I told her I could show it another day but not today. She told me it was hard for her to get a driver but she would call me another time and come when it was more convenient to me. I never got that call and I learned that she died not long thereafter. I wish I had been more patient that day and had taken the time from my (what seemed to me, but was not in retrospect) a very busy day, to have her over. It would mean more to me now than it meant to her then.

Now, I am approaching that point in my life where I don't know how many roses I should buy that will take years either. I don't know how much longer I am going to be at this address, but then none of us do. But, I am sure the time I have remaining on this earth is nowhere near what I have already spent. With a dwindling balance in my account, I don't want to think I have bought more roses to suffer the fate of a bulldozer, but time is fleeting.

Suffice it to say, the golden years were somewhere but I am sure neither was more golden than the other; they have all been golden to me and when I see your impatience and frustration, it is like looking back on myself, and I know how frustrating it is, but take heart --- your roses are going to get there and that SGMC is a little slower than many other roses, even slower than the teas (for me) but it will happen.

You, too, will look back one day and it will be hard to recall when they were so small and you may even curse the day you have to deadhead and prune all these roses, but you will forever be able to enjoy the beautiful blooms, especially each spring, knowing that you have been granted another "golden" year, another beautiful spring, spring, oh spring, another year, and that you have had the pleasure of having so many beautiful blooms and that it will happen year after year after year.

Be patient, make sure you take time to smell the roses and make your years all golden.


clipped on: 03.17.2008 at 07:40 pm    last updated on: 03.17.2008 at 07:42 pm

RE: Getting Discouraged with Teas.... (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: anntn6b on 03.14.2008 at 09:59 am in Antique Roses Forum

Hi, Robert,
You're going through the learning curve that isn't in books.
When I planted Teas here, I'd been told that Tea roses couldn't grow in Tennessee (by several estemed rosarians including some from the balmy temperatures around Memphis.) So I planted them close together and figured I could dig the little things out and over winter them in our garage. This fit because my HTs got hit by winter very often.
The estemed were so wrong. The Teas are stronger than HTs. The Teas grow different than HTs. The Teas put out new growth from places that are totally unpredictable based on what we think we know from their kin HTs and HPs.
And Teas have almost dog-like metamorphoses as they grow. The cuddly puppies become great danes.
You unfortunately got stuck with the Easter Freeze as a modifier and it may have set your roses back a year.

From a rooted cutting, I get twiggy growth for one to three years. (Last year freeze plus drought didn't advance this at all and set some of my smaller teas back a year.) Then, all of a sudden, as you are going in to clean out the older dead stems (and that's all I clean out), you'll notice that one cane is straight and has had sprays at the end. Then more of the new canes will start off straight and more cane-like than the twiggy growth. At this point I leave the twiggy's still productive, but the rose is beginning its metamorphosis from short, dense twiggs to massive woody canes that are really strong and wind resistant. And productive.
And the thing that I love about Teas...they can handle cankers. If there's a bit of a spring killed new growth coming out of a cane, and it dies, the conducting tissues of the Tea Rose just bypass it (were that to happen on a HT, the cane beyond that point would die).

For my massive teas, I go through at snip off parts that the rose has abandoned and clean out the underside. They are so well worth the effort to get them to be mature bushes.


clipped on: 03.14.2008 at 05:30 pm    last updated on: 03.14.2008 at 05:30 pm

RE: Rose suggestions for new EarthkindTM rose trial (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: ceterum on 02.05.2008 at 12:58 am in Roses Forum

I agree with Donna re climbers. in the north their hardines should be considered; in the south their resistance to blackspot. In the second category (climbers for the south) Crepuscule, Jaune Desprez, Prosperity, Colette, Papi Delbard and Laguna worth testing.

In the shrub rose category I recommend for testing Belle Epoque (Fryer), Floral fairy tale (Kordes), Folksinger (if it isn't already included), Irish Hope. In my garden these roses have either zero blackspor or minimal but Certaubly are better then Duchesse de Brabant.

As always, YMMV.


clipped on: 02.07.2008 at 09:20 pm    last updated on: 02.07.2008 at 09:20 pm

The New Front Border Garden

posted by: hartwood on 11.06.2007 at 02:26 pm in Antique Roses Forum

The rain we had here in the east last week, plus mild temperatures, made working in the yard creating the new border garden a delight. It's my first rose garden since we moved here a month ago. My roses have been subsisting in pots, and they can now spread their roots in the ground. Here on old farm land, I am blessed to have real dirt instead of the rocks and clay that I am accustomed to dealing with in other places we've lived around here. (For those of you who were here for the plant exchange, this is the spot where all the roses were sitting in their pots.)

When we first bought this place 5 years ago, this area was a forsythia thicket, 12' high and 20' deep in places, tip rooted all over the place. You couldn't see the fence at all. The sunny south side of the 'hedge' was overrun with honeysuckle, poison ivy, and blackberry brambles. There had once been roses here, because I also found two Dr. Hueys in the mix. It took 3 guys all day one day to cut everything down and haul it to the brush pile at the back of the property. I sprayed whatever grew back with Round-up, and I've been letting the stumps and roots decay while I waited to be able to put in the roses.

The border is about 80' long, 8' deep. The fence posts are 6' high -- concrete, if you can believe it, built by our home's owner in the early 1950's. I put a rebar tripod in front of each post to help train the back row of roses upward. I hope this will also hide the fact that the fence posts are at all odd angles. (notice the one behind the tree.) Since the bed is so long, this is the best photo I could get of it this morning:

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The roses are arranged in staggered double rows, 8' on center along the length of the bed, and about 5' apart across the depth (if that makes sense). I have put in my most favorite roses, blooming-est roses.

Back Row (on the fence post tripods): Prosperity, Cl. Clotilde Soupert, Brightside Cream, Maggie, Haywood Hall, Manchester Guardian Angel, Moonlight, Secret Garden Musk Climber on the tree, Lansdowne Road Climber (maybe Baltimore Belle?), Kathleen, and Bubble Bath.

Second Row (staggered between the rear roses): Maid Marion, Champney's Pink Cluster, Mme. Joseph Schwartz, Bryan Freidel's Pink Tea, J. E. Murphy's Pink Tea, Miriam's Pink Powerpuff, Indigo, Mrs. Paul, John Hopper, and Mary Washington.

Third Row (in line with the rear roses): Honorine de Brabant, Paul Neyron, Cl. Maman Cochet, Catherine Mermet, Paul Lede, Mrs. John Laing, Marchesa Bocchella, Grandmother's Hat, Felicia, and Applejack.

Front Row: Comte de Chambord, Rose de Rescht, Carnation, Spice, Souvenir de St. Anne's, Caldwell Pink, Quietness, SDLM, and Sydonie.

I spent yesterday afternoon getting a good start on installing the 1-gallon English boxwoods. (35 in so far, about 20 more to go.) I'll top it all off with a brick edge to divide the bed from the lawn. As soon as I can, I'll take DH's truck and go get mulch.



clipped on: 11.22.2007 at 01:59 pm    last updated on: 11.22.2007 at 02:03 pm

RE: What's Your Favorite Red Rose? (Follow-Up #67)

posted by: molineux on 11.15.2007 at 07:44 pm in Roses Forum

I counted up the nominations and discarded the indecisives. Here is the top choices:

PAPA MEILLAND ........... 6
BLACK MAGIC ............... 5
MISTER LINCOLN .......... 5
ROUGE ROYALE ............. 5
DON JUAN ....................... 4
LAVAGLUT ...................... 4
INGRID BERGMAN ......... 3
OLYMPIAD ...................... 3
TABOO ............................. 3

VETERAN'S HONOR must really be some rose! Now where can I get it own root?

Best wishes,



clipped on: 11.20.2007 at 05:05 pm    last updated on: 11.20.2007 at 05:07 pm