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RE: Any install advice for fire and ice? (Follow-Up #13)
posted by: jodi_in_so_calif on 06.10.2010 at 10:17 am in Kitchens Forum Heard back from my wonderful installer. Here is what she had to say about how she set my F&I.
Just a note: Once the tile was installed, she asked me to take a look and make sure I was happy with the color/texture balance. I took blue painter's tape and marked the tile pieces I didn't particularly care for. She then swapped them out with another piece the next morning. It was a true pleasure doing your beautiful kitchen. Loved the new picture will have to add it to my website. Thank you so much for sending it. Haven't updated my site for several years and have done so many gorgeous jobs that need to go on it. Lots of glass. Never use a quick set on anything. It dries too quickly and can release down the line. Also stone should be sealed before grouting. Especially the material like yours as it is porous and grout leaves a film on it that cannot be removed but leaves it murky." NOTES: Jeffrey Court's - Chapter 9 Pietra Opus - Quartz Brick Fire & Ice (note: Quartz not Slate and Brick not Square) 11.75 x 10.5 per tile (not 12x12)
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http://www.jeffreycourt.com/chapter9_pietra_opus.asp http://www.jeffreycourt.com/chpt9_natural_slate_quartz_mosaics.asp http://www.jeffreycourt.com/chpt9_architectural_mouldings.asp http://www.jeffreycourt.com/chpt14_architectural_mouldings.asp Pricing: http://ths.gardenweb.com//forums/load/kitchbath/msg051710426908.html
Some F & I kitchens to search out: jodi_in_so_calif, morton5, berryberry, jsol, poorowner, kristine_2009, chris45ny, pudgybaby, mofojoy (aka moniqua, monica, I think), buehl, marissa_dc, boysrus2, gozalyn, favabeans5, neverdunn, katie_lou, kritter_2010, kathylquiltz, blewgo, jan01tx, chikat, travelbel, jem199, toni_ne
http://moderntilestudio.com/CandyGlass.htm
Vista 2x2 (1-5/8") http://dttiles.com/pages/ItemList.aspx?sideN=products&catID=3833&mcatID=2147&numb=1&subcatID=3836
1-5/8" Replacement tile color names: High Tea, Root Beer, Peach Tea, Burnt Umber, TIG2116, Light Brown, Illusion Brown, Cocoon(Iridescent Black), Copper, The Jeffrey Court rep says the Copper Canyon has the dark amber tiles. Jeffrey Court now has replacement tiles available in Glacier Bay (90098) Provence (90096) Dark Amber (90095) - website says 2x2 - need to make sure they are actually 1-5/8" not 2". kks_kichen - purchased clear tiles and painted them with peblo vitrea non toxic paint inside my oven. I have got indian red with looks to be a perfect Garnet. This particular one is called brilliant glossy. You clean clear tile with alcohol and wipe clean. You paint one or both sides. I painted both. I painted more than 1 coat because I wanted a dark effect. Not translucent. I didn't want to chance that the mesh would show through. You can paint and bake up to 3 times. It's non-toxic. Like what you paint wine glasses with. It makes the paint permanent. I did purple, hot pink, and indian red. It's hard to tell the color inside the bottle. I stuck with indian red which is garnet. neverdunn:I didn't get the pencil pieces from Jeffrey Court. I bought them from Cancos (a local tiles place in NY). They had some greyish/greenish/tannish slate that matched well. They were about $5-$6 for 6 inch pieces. Viable grout colors -- delorean gray, quartz, natural gray: all from custom bldg. products (Jodi_in_so_calif used Custom Building Products sanded grout, color: Quartz) -- natural grey, marble beige sanded from laticrete. -- delorean gray, light pewter from TEC. custom blend unsanded in bone. What I learned - Laticrete grout mixes up and ends up way lighter than the sample. TEC's grout mixes up darker than the sample but after the sponging you do end up fine. TEC's delorean gray is #934 and the light pewter is #927. (note from jodi:Had I actually chosen the grout (which I don't recall doing), I probably would have picked Delorian Grey. I think the Quartz is a bit too pink.) morton5:used Kashmir grout. CAULK at very bottom where granite meets tile not grout - caulk color to match grout? Advice-the grout does stick to the quartz pieces and isn't as easy to remove as it is from the glass squares. Have something to get the grout out of the many stone crevices. morton5:You definitely must seal the tile before grouting, otherwise the grout haze will not come off the tile. You will also want to reseal after the haze is removed, so that the grout is sealed. Berryberry:About 5 minutes after I applied Miracle 511 - I had my daughter wipe each glass square with a clean cloth to remove any of the sealer on the glass Recommend seal before grouting and after. (note: I do not like "enhanced" as much - like it only "sealed" better - morton5 & neverdunn enhanced their fire & ice) Rhome410:The sealer I used is from Home Depot. It's called Super Seal: Ultimate Penetrating Sealer. Lucretzia:I read on Gw about Miracle 511 imgregnator being great, but on the John Bridge site as not being good because people don't know how to use. Pudgybaby used Stonetech Heavy Duty Sealer. Jodi_in_so_calif used 511 as well. Chris45ny:Used Aqua Mix Sealer's Choice Gold, White thinset most often used. Thinset instead of mastic (full cure 28 days). Grout on day 3. I plan on cutting out the clear glass tiles to remove the mesh backing so it won't show when installed. I'm also going to replace some of the glass with burnt umber/root beer glass tiles. I don't plan to enhance. Someone (can't remember who) posted that you could only see the mesh behind the clear glass tiles if you went up close to the backsplash. The white thinset will not completely hide the mesh according to this person. Pudgybaby's contractor used white thinset and did NOT remove the mesh behind the glass pieces and they can see it on some of the glass pieces (maybe 1/3 of the peach and clear pieces). Berryberry:instead of white thinset - I used grey - which gave a slight grey undertone to the clear glass a little (tested a few samples first and liked it) poorowner also recommended using drywall screws and tape to hold everything up as you're doing the install. This is what my GC recommends for the ends: cutting some quartzite pieces out (long ones) and running them vertically, to kind of give it a finished edge - does this make sense? I am hoping to photoshop this idea up this weekend to see how I like it. I should note that we don't have any kind of pencil liner or anything like that to finish off the tops and ends (that's why he made that recommendation). I also like what jodi did with hers, letting the ends stagger off slowly. Berryberry:Lessons I learned. First, take your time and follow the instructions Bill V has laid out. Second, use the right tools. I purchased an inexpensive 7" wet saw from Harbor Freight for $49 (including the blade). It cut like a champ and was easy to use. I also mentioned on another thread - get the couple dolor 'perfect bead" caulk tool. When you caulk between the tile and the granite or cabinets, use this tool to give you a great lookings caulk line. Third, lay out the tile (at least a row at a time) on a table / island and make sure it fits well and elements match up like you want them to (for instance, I didn't want 2 glass squares right next to each other in the same row). Fourth, a paint mixing attachement that attaches to a drill helps a lot when mixing your thinset and grout. Fifth, I was worried initially about measuring precisely when mixing the lightweight thinset and grout - but after starting using it found I probably went to light on the liquid and added more till the consistency just felt and looked right. Finally, seal the stone before you grout - it will help a lot with releasing the grout from the stone face. "grocery list" of the supplies used?
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My "Hot" island
posted by: debrak_2008 on 01.01.2013 at 12:43 pm in Kitchens Forum
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RE: Dream Thread! (What do you wish you had now?) (Follow-Up #33)
posted by: angela12345 on 06.03.2011 at 12:20 am in Building a Home Forum Here are links to some of the earlier threads . . .
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0708180218905.html - unique/favorite features in your build.... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg051803107471.html - Things you couldn't live without or wish you had added http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg012331272427.html - What things did you find needed adjusting or changed? http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg052337148911.html - is there anything you wish you had done http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg1011400927581.html - What about your new build makes your life easier; what doesn't ? http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0913570232282.html - Brands/Products That I'd Use Again http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0321442732113.html - Share your best sites for deals on supplies! http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0818041222629.html - To help others - Things I would do different and things i love! http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg021705141306.html - Things I wish I'd specified on my plans http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0120301431285.html - It's been two years...what I've learned, would change, etc... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0901543214301.html - Biggest Mistakes? http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0521381417863.html - Help!!! Have I forgotten anything? http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg122305046544.html - designing electrical in house http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0316075322256.html - doing whole house audio NOTES: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg042250409404.html - Dream Thread! (What do you wish you had now?)
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Gel stain instructions (Follow-Up #8)
posted by: celticmoon on 06.21.2008 at 01:59 pm in Kitchens Forum Csquared, I got an email I think was from you, but it said I couldn't answer because your email is private. Ditto when I tried to email through your name here.
With apologies for the length of this, I'm just gonna paste the whole bit here for you. You are welcome to this writeup I did a while back. A couple people tried Here's more than you need to know: My cabinets are frameless, good condition and good layout. But the finish I looked into changing out cabinets, but that was way too much money, since First I tried Minwax Polyshades. Dicey product. Hard to brush on neatly, SHOPPING LIST: Rockler woodworking stores are a good place to find the General Finish SETUP AND PLANNING: PREPARATION: STAINING: But first put on work clothes, tie up your hair (Tom, you may skip this Repeat with Java gel. This is thicker and poly based (*not water cleanup!*= Repeat with clear gel top coat. This will give you the strength you need in Do the same process with the cabinet sides, face and toekick area. Might NOTE: The cloth or socks used for the gels are very flammable! Collect and FINISHING AND REASSEMBLY: FINAL THOUGHTS: This is a pretty easy project to do. Hard to screw it up. The worst is the I added smashing hardware, raised my passthrough, resurfaced the Corian Link to cabinets in progress: Link to almost finished cabinet pix: Good luck with your project!! Feel free to ask me any questions as you go. NOTES: You need bare wood for staining or oiling. And with existing cabinets, that means stripping. Like painting, overcoating with gel can be a good cosmetic fix - so long as the surface is well prepared and you are going dark enough.
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Are you using general finishes brand (its better)? I found a HUGE difference between valspar or Minwax Polyshades(for example) and gf. You will have to come up with a 'wipe on, wipe off' application method that leaves an even coat. The hard part will be moving toward the end color you want but not overshooting it. (What I did was likely easier because I went so very dark - I couldn't overshoot it) Try taking a good gob of the stuff on your (plastic gloved and socked) hand and smear it end to end, then wipe end to end. Generous gobs. Big strokes. Projctsneverend reported that sealing with a clear coat BEFORE the color gel coats helped the color be even. here is another thread ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0607455812263.html And another thread ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg011124147771.html |
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RE: Getting started on food storage (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: grainlady on 09.27.2012 at 06:05 pm in Cooking Forum Oh, man. I teach classes on this subject. Have in my library, or have read from the public library, WAY too many books on the subject, so it's going to be difficult giving the Cliff's Notes version (LOL).
No ONE way or method is "perfect" for everyone - so expect to do some research (check your local library for books on the subject, and there is LOTS of free information on-line - do a search on "home food storage" or "frugal home food storage") and adjust accordingly as things evolve and your personal needs, budget, and amount you want to store changes. MY food storage and yours will more than likely be two completely different things. And that's what it comes down to - not what's right or wrong, just choices. -COMMON SENSE - Store what you use and use what you store. And hopefully you'll purchase it at the lowest possible price (that's one of the benefits of home food storage). Stock-up a variety of foods you normally use, making sure you have food from all the food groups. If you are on a budget, designate an amount you will use specifically FOR storage. If that amount is $5, then each week find a good sale item/s to invest it in. Tuna is on sale, buy as many as you can with $5. Macaroni is on sale the next week, so buy as much as you can for $5. Up to a point that's an okay plan, but it's best to actually HAVE a plan. Without a plan you may find you don't have a good variety of foods from all the food groups. "Experts" say - it's better to have 3-months worth of a variety of foods than have 12-months worth of rice and little else. -BE REALISTIC - If you only use 4 of something per year, then you don't need money tied up in 10 of them. Everything goes on sale AGAIN, sooner or later. If you don't know how many you normally use/need, start dating foods with a marker when you open them to see how long they last. In her book - A Year's Supply In "Seven Days" - Mary Wilde didn't have a plan at first, and when she did a plan she found she had enough baking soda in storage to last her 25-years. Also noteworthy from her book, for a family of six, her list of foods she purchases consisted of less than 50 items - but she works from a set of menu plans. I only buy up to 3 of any one item at a time for several reasons - the first is my budget ($125 per month for two adults). Only buying a few ahead keeps the stock fresh and the use-by dates as far out as possible. If I were to purchase a case (12) of something it would take a big bite out of my budget, I would have to decide if I could realistically store that many, as well as use them by the use-by date. If you have 12 of something, that means you should be using it at least 1 per month - 50 of something means you use it at least once a week - then you have to check the use-by or best-by dates to see when you ACTUALLY need to use them. If you have a large number of people in your family you can probably purchase in case lots, but for the two of us it doesn't work well. -PRICE (and INVENTORY) BOOK - You really DO need to keep track of things. I keep a Price Book (got the idea from Amy Dacyczyn's "The Tightwad Gazette" - pgs. 31-32 - in 1993) and keep it in a used Day Runner (or small loose-leaf note book will also work) I got at a thrift store. It contains my on-going list of things to purchase, money, coupons and the prices for the items I commonly purchase. It has alphabetical dividers and items are put on one page in the book where I track prices (date - store - size - price - unit price) and on the next page I track the inventory of the item in storage. I put a ( / ) when I add an item and put another slash through it ( X ) when I move it from storage to the pantry. If I also need to track the use-by date (peanut butter is one where I always track dates) I'll write it like this: 11/12 (Nov. 2012). When I remove that item I'll "X" through the date. Keeping a running inventory will save you money. You will be purchasing things you need, instead of duplicates you may not necessarily need and couldn't remember if you had it or not. This also helps when I go through the store advertisements. On first glance, butter (1# box) is 2/$5 and sounds like a bargain..... I can quickly check the price at Aldi (which is also noted in my price book) and know it's regularly lower than the store sale price so skip the sale because it's not at a stock-up price. -CHOOSE MULTI-USE PRODUCTS - Less (items) is best! I was able to gain a lot of space and reduce total number of items in storage by storing and using tomato powder. I use it to make tomato sauce, tomato paste, tomato juice, red pasta sauce, and pizza sauce - by adding water and a few pantry items (vinegar, spices, herbs, sweeteners, etc.). In a pinch, I can even make ketchup and bbq sauce from tomato powder. The only other tomato products I keep in storage are frozen and dehydrated tomatoes from the garden. -CHOOSE INGREDIENTS INSTEAD OF CONVENIENCE FOODS - By ingredients I mean staple items you use to cook from scratch. I make my own "convenience" foods for a fraction of the price, and can choose more wholesome ingredients. This is one of the reasons I can stick to a food budget of $125/month. I make all our cereal (cold or hot varieties) for pennies - as just one example. The same ingredients I use to make pancakes (or a homemade pancake mix), I can also use to make cakes, cookies, quick breads.... I would generally avoid a single-use item, such as pancake mix, to my food storage, when I can make it from ingredients in the pantry. -FOODSAVER (your new best friend) - I vacuum-seal most of my dry goods in canning jars or FoodSaver bags to extend shelf-life and avoid pantry pests. -FIFO - First in - first out - rotation system. Store your food so you can easily track and rotate it. I had rolling can dispensers and hated them and gave them to a friend who loves them. About the time I purchased a can with a use-by date somewhere in the middle of those already in the unit, I'd have to remove, add, and replace the entire bunch. I like my cans lined up in a single row and now have shallow shelves to accommodate them - and write the use-by date on the front (I have a silver Sharpie for marking labels with dark backgrounds.) Find a method you like - you'll find all kinds of suggestions on-line. I have three levels of home food storage, plus a bonus level. Level 1: 72-hour EMERGENCY FOODS Level 2: PANTRY FOODS Level 3: LONG-TERM EMERGENCY FOODS Bonus Level: I increased the "Seven Survival Foods" to 3-years worth (grains, legumes, sprouting seeds, sweetener/s, salt, oil, powdered milk - or milk substitute/s). One of my favorite sources on this subject is "Everything Under the Sun" by Wendy DeWitt (she has YouTube videos as well as a must-read booklet you can download/print - http://www.sunoven.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/EverythingUnderTheSun.pdf I read her information after I completed my food storage, but still like her plan. She bases her storage on her favorite 7-14 meals and the amount of foods/ingredients you need for making them for a year, and you store these foods. I based my storage on the number of servings from each food group, which is something I can quickly tally based on my inventory sheets. I've followed a simple meal plan using the old "Basic-4" for decades, so I know how many servings of foods I use each day/week/month..... You can also use a food calculator available on-line to get an idea of how much food you might need: We have a designated food storage room in the basement, but I've had to use creative storage in other homes we've lived in. I've read you can store enough food for one person for a year in the space of a single bed. Which brings me to one family who literally used the bed space for storage in their kids rooms. They removed the bed frames, stacked the boxed foods (most #10 cans come 6 cans per box and stack nicely) and topped the boxes with a decorative fabric skirt and put the mattress on the top of that. BTW, they had a really detailed rotation system. Make a "bench" at the end of your bed with stacked boxes, cover with a nice throw and top with cushions. How about a window seat? We built narrow shelves in the space between a window and the corner walls and covered the space floor to ceiling with contrasting material to match the window drapes. It made the window look bigger, and those shelves held all my extra canned goods and dry goods vacuum-sealed in canning jars. Free on-line: -What to Store in a Food Storage - http://lds.about.com/od/preparednessfoodstorage/a/foodstoragewhat.htm Books: -Food Storage 101 - Where Do I Begin? - Peggy Layton -100-Day Pantry - Quick and Easy Gourmet Meals - Jan Jackson -NOT Your Mother's Food Storage - Kathy Bray and Jan Barker -It's In the Bag - Michelle & Trent Snow -Grainlady
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RE: It's done and I love it! (Follow-Up #94)
posted by: mpagmom on 09.09.2012 at 07:16 pm in Kitchens Forum aliris, I never thought of "kitchen as marital inspiration" before, but if it gets me a nice kitchen, I'm all for it!
island, the floor is everyday 2-1/4" white oak stained Minwax Provincial with a satin polyurethane. It was funny when I stopped by to talk to the floor finishers about the stain. I told them I wanted a medium brown with no red in it and they put down a little bit of the Provincial stain to show me how it would look. My 11-year-old was there and told me that was good, so I said we'd go with that because I wasn't very picky. My builder's son was there, and I think he about died when I said I wasn't very picky - I guess his experience was that I was extremely particular. The flooring guys wanted to hire my daughter to choose stain on all their jobs. By the way, we originally wanted wider planks, but the flooring guys told us the 2-1/4" would be less likely yo buckle. Also, getting the site-finished floor cost about exactly the same for us as moderately-priced pre-finished floor. Was that the longest answer ever?? Thanks angela, and I just love to talk trash. The trash can in the 12" pullout is about 9"Wx14"Dx17.5"H. Just for you I did math and the measurements come out to about 9 gallons. It's the same size as the cans in the 18" trash/recycling pullout: I'm glad you like the counter cabinet - it's my favorite. justmakeit - thanks for the compliment, and imitate away! Any white shaker style cabinets and any textured black granite would look pretty much the same as mine. If I were choosing granite to go specifically with the backsplash I might have chosen brushed atlantic black instead of kodiak brown. As it is, I chose the granite first and I thought the kodiak brown would work well with the oil-rubbed bronze light fixtures I have throughout the house. I highly recommend a wall of windows if you can spare the cabinet space. Windows are a lot less expensive than cabinets and you can't beat the natural light! NOTES: 12" wide trash pullout
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RE: RTA Cabinet Help (Follow-Up #12)
posted by: daveinorlado on 11.29.2010 at 02:44 am in Kitchens Forum
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RE: Toekick Drawers (Follow-Up #12)
posted by: aliris19 on 09.06.2012 at 04:02 am in Kitchens Forum I thought they seemed like a fantastic idea, aesthetically. That is from a no-waste standpoint.
However my KD talked me out of it by pointing out they're basically just another set of drawers and cost is calculated at least for my kitchen, by number of drawers. If I was wanting more storage I'd rather have a bigger drawer. Most if not all of my cabinet stacks already had 4 drawers in them, so that was making it five. And that fifth was really small. Plus, I made my toe kick 3.5" -- I don't wear work boots in the kitchen and I saw no reason to install inflated toekicks; 3.5" has been plenty for us. I do love the idea of the things but I haven't missed em, especially knowing the cost. YMMV. Niftiest use of toekicks I've seen, apart from valuables-storage (say, silver) is as a step-up for the "height-challenged". That, I thought, was really clever and could definitely justify the extra cost in select locations. Another used the narrow drawer to store a step stool. But I liked turning the whole drawer itself into an actual step (though that's less portable!) I saw a picture of a drawer someone constructed that incorporated the too-short-drawer objection for the toe kick by making the drawer at the bottom itself have the toekick "bite" worked right into it. This looked really nifty and clever but as I thought about it, then how would you use that space at the front of the drawer? You'd get just the bottom "footprint" of the drawer's worth for storage and to use the forward bump-out you'd need some very specialized shapes. So on reflection I decided that wasn't going to use the space well either. For me, that's how it came to pass that I compromised on the toekicks that like you, I had originally thought were the bee's knees, in favor of shortened toekicks and 4-drawer stacks. So there's an example of a KD being negatory but maybe not utterly without cause. NOTES: Shorter toe kick allows for deeper height drawers within the cabinet box ? Ask cabinet mfg
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Opinions on our kitchen layout - - in beach cottage
posted by: angela12345 on 10.03.2009 at 11:15 pm in Kitchens Forum Like a lot of people, I have lurked a lot and sometimes posted over the last many years, although not much lately for various reasons. We are planning a beach cottage new construction and would appreciate thoughts on our kitchen design, please !!
It will be a rental, so typically guests will be there for 1 week at a time during June July August. During off season we will also be there sometimes (read: as often as we can!!). This home will sleep 23+ (up to 30 including pullout sofas and toddler trundles). The kitchen will need to accomodate a lot of different types of rental groups and sizes ... families with multiple generations, adult couples, all men (golfers), maybe weddings or church groups, etc. We feel like we really need to include 2 fridges and 2 dishwashers because of the need for it for groups this size and also to be competitive with other rental homes. Also, because of the potential size of groups that will be staying here, we will need LOTS of cabinet space ... dishes, silverware, glasses, cups, coffee mugs, etc for 30 people takes lots of space. Most likely, I won't be able to make any changes to the walls of the kitchen on this plan. One thing I know I am missing is where to put trash, but please don't limit your comments to this ! I am thinking a pullout under one side of the sink. Considering a range something like the following but not necessarily this exact one http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/appliances/ranges/electric-ranges/FTQ353IWUX/XAA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail. I have included a layout of the top floor below so you can see where the kitchen lies in relation to the other rooms. Comments on other parts of the floorplan are also welcome. The bottom floor will have 5 more bedrooms, laundry, and a morning coffee bar with sink and mini fridge. http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy23/angela12345678/BeachCottage/kitchen2.jpg
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy23/angela12345678/BeachCottage/topfloor.jpg
Here is what we envision the wetbar/prep area looking like (except longer of course) ...
NOTES: LAYOUT THREAD FOR MY KITCHEN !!! : )
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http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg102315435043.html Exterior Elevations ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0816275013116.html Exterior Elevations ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0810130922337.html Energy Efficiency ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg081840493088.html How Clean is too Clean ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0917045630890.html Matching Stainless Appl ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0607033912937.html Deck Design ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0300544611101.html Hood Design ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0400010817802.html Cabinet Doors ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0417034523580.html Soap Dispenser ... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg101734304524.html |
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RE: My One True Green Transitional Kitchen (Follow-Up #62)
posted by: ICFgreen on 09.04.2012 at 05:26 pm in Kitchens Forum Okay, we're back home. On with the answers!
Angela, If you google "rev a shelf bread drawer kit," you'll get lots of hits. It seems to be cheaper on Amazon. We use ours daily. The drawer won't close if the lid isn't closed, which is kind of a pain, but then, if the lid isn't closed, it's not really preserving the bread, either, so we see it as a reminder. We love it and use it daily. We find that it's nice to put our non-refrigerated things like nutella and peanut butter right there in the drawer. Here is a link that might be useful: Rev A Shelf Bread Drawer. NOTES: I need size BDC24-11 (which is the white one)
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RE: Tile/hardwood floor edging question (Follow-Up #5)
posted by: bill_vincent on 03.29.2010 at 07:14 pm in Kitchens Forum All you need to do is leave a 1/8" joint between the two surfaces and caulk it with the siliconized latex made to match the grout.
NOTES: NOTE: Just make sure if you're using the Latisil, that you tape off the edges and tool the joint. That stuff is 100% pure silicone, and can not be washed off.
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RE: now that i got it.. im not sure i like it? pictures (Follow-Up #33)
posted by: favabeans5 on 11.02.2008 at 12:37 am in Kitchens Forum Almost done.. Accept for one small problem. I ran out of tile!!! I couldn't believe it. I thought I order 5 extra sqft.. So i did the math again. And yup.. I needed 30 sqft of tile and ordered 35. So I'm thinking what the heck is going on.
then it hit me.. I went and measure a sheet of tile and they aren't a full sqft.. the sheets have 6 rows of tile and each row is 12 inches wide.. But the 6 rows are only 10 or so inches high.. I got 35 sheets of tile not 35 sqft.. Now my invoice actually says 35 sqft.. Can anyone else who ordered Fire and Ice verify how many rows their sheets had? I have seen one other pic from someone who ordered them from the same place and they also had 6 rows.. Am I the only one that didn't know that a sheet wasn't a full sqft? If so how did you find that out? Did whoever you ordered from tell you? And if you place an order for 35 sqft don't you think you should get 35 sqft? Anyway here are a couple more pictures..
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RE: Show me your paper towel holders (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: breezygirl on 11.07.2011 at 12:41 pm in Kitchens Forum Here's a thread from last year. It has one of my all time fav kitchens and paper towel storage ideas from firsthouse_mp. I try not to use any paper towels for the green factor, but if I did I'd do what she did. I think beagles got her idea from firsthouse.
Here is a link that might be useful: Thread on similar topic with firsthouse's idea NOTES: <none>
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RE: Share your backsplash pics for a good cause! (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: chris45ny on 08.16.2010 at 04:47 pm in Kitchens Forum Just another Fire & Ice on the stove wall only. TEC light pewter grout, not enhanced and put in some of the burnt umber/root beer glass tiles. This was a DIY project. Just finished this-not a lot of pics yet.
NOTES: Stainless ? outlet cover
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RE: Help! Granite countertop installation this morning... (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: buehl on 07.09.2010 at 12:34 pm in Kitchens Forum From Bill Vincent (Mon, Mar 9, 09 at 9:54)
"... A lot of times, when this discussion comes up about sealing granite, I'll refer people to a page in that site that has links for two sets of tables-- one A-L, and the other, M-Z, listing the names of the more common "granites". One of the things they list on those pages is the absorption rate of each stone, and anything with less than a .25% absorption rate should NOT be sealed. ..." NOTES: Again, from Bill Vincent (Mon, Mar 9, 09 at 13:32)
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"... the "sponge" test. That is, to drop a sopping wet sponge or rag on the stone, and allow it to sit for a couple of minutes. You then remove the sponge and wipe up any water left on the stone. If it leaves a dark mark, you'll need to seal it. ..." Another way to tell is if water beads up on the surface. If it does, it probably does not need sealing. But I would do the "Sponge Test" to be sure. BTW...have you read the stone information in the "Read Me" thread as well as the information linked from the "Read Me" thread? I highly recommend all stones be tested prior to purchasing so you know exactly what you're getting...not just the need for sealing against stains, but also how likely it is to etch, whether it's dyed (for black granites, primarily), etc. http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0718560323735.html boxerpups
My installer told me I had to wash the counters and not touch them for 24 hours. Then spray the sealer not over saturate but enough that you want to wipe it down but DON't. Let it sit 10 minutes and then spary again. After 30 minutes then I could dry the excess with a soft dish towel. There are also directions on the sealer products that you might find at any hardware store. My installer recommended I seal my counters once a year. I know people who do it less. My neighbor has Ubatuba and has never sealed their counters. They have had them for 10 years. I am not recommending this, just saying I think some people do and some don't. Vinegar, Oil, Lemon, Red wine, melted butter, melted cheese, amd a host of other products that could ruin a counter. Well I don't want olive, peanut, safflower, corn, veggie or any oil to stain my rock. Even smeared butter. So Sealing can help protect the stone. What about vinegar or wine? Acids can also effect stones. They can slowly etch away. Especially a honed surface. I remember someone having a white ghostly haze appearance to their counters from OVER sealing. This is not good either. Check out that link. Not to scare you just to inform you. NOT all granites require sealing. If you seal one that does not absorb, the sealer forms a film on the surface of the stone and will quickly look splotchy and uneven as it wears away from normal use and cleaning. Granite was sealed and has haze HELP
About Sealing Granite counters
How to Seal granite from EHow
Granite Sealer a different product that what I used
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List to-date... (Follow-Up #34)
posted by: buehl on 03.01.2010 at 07:09 pm in Kitchens Forum Countertops
Question: Do those of you with marble use the alcohol/water mix, detergent/water mix, Method, or Perfect Kitchen? Appliances
Floors & Backsplashes (Wood, Tile, etc.)
Cabinets
Sinks and Sink Fixtures
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RE: Taking possession a week from Fri...any advice? (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: bevangel on 08.16.2011 at 12:33 pm in Building a Home Forum It is probably late for this advice but you need to spend at least a full day at your house looking for punch list issues and making a written list BEFORE you meet with your builder for your "pre-through." And you need to be able to do this while there are no workmen there so they are not making noise or getting in your way. There are just too many things to look for to try to do the checking WHILE walking thru the house with your builder. Even if your builder gives you a full three or four hours for the walk-through, that is simply not enough time...especially if builder is taking time to write notes about the things you mention. And it is possible your builder will attempt to rush you because the fewer things you mention, the less work he has to do. Better to go with a list in hand (with a copy for builder) so that your walk-thru with builder is just a chance for you to show him what each note on the list refers to.
On your list, for each issue indicate EXACTLY where the problem is located.... What room, what wall, Where on the wall, what the problem is, and what needs to be done. Eg., 1) Living room; on north wall, 4 ft from east wall & 18 inches above the floor; there are gaps in sheetrock around electrical outlet; need to patch gaps, smooth patch (or texture to match wall texture) and prime and painted to match wall. 2) 1st floor powderroom, floor 20 inches from west wall & 2 ft from south wall; cracked tile; remove and replace with good tile, regrout - make certain replacement tile is set level with surrounding tiles and that grout matches surrounding grout. The more detailed you are, the more likely the fixes are going to be done satisfactorily. So, a laptop with an excel program can be helpful for making your lists because you can copy and paste the correction instructions everytime you find yet another electrical outlet with gaps around it. Some things you need to check: Whole House Kitchen/Laundry Room/Pantry Bathrooms MISCELLANEOUS This is all just "off the top of my head." I'm sure if you think about it you can add dozens of other things to check for. And, no doubt other posters will chime in with other things to add to your check list. NOTES: <none>
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And You Thought Never MT was Quite the Invention
posted by: beekeeperswife on 12.25.2011 at 11:10 am in Kitchens Forum So I'm searching for a bar faucet in order to find the right size faucet for my coffee bar area in the kitchen.
Just thought I'd share what I found. And to think we were all impressed with the soap container that was hooked up to the soap dispenser..... Here is a link that might be useful: Bar Faucet... NOTES: I wonder if you can pre-mix the evening's speciality cocktail and plug it in. Ideas, ideas...
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cheapest model $399 - black base black spout (holiday season 20% discount) The SIDEBAR® 6500 Series is an electronic, programmable bar system that dispenses 5 of your favorite drinks at the touch-of-a-button; your guests will be impressed!! The supply bottles are safely stored under countertops or in other remote, secure locations (up to 10 feet away from the dispensing spout) - no more broken bottles or spills! The 6500 series uses our patented Programmable Portion Control, allowing users to set each of the five flavors to dispense as little as an ounce and a 1/4 at a time. You can incrementally increase the settings to dispense as much as you want, it's totally customizable to your settings. Set your Scotch to stop at 2oz, while the Vodka flows until you release the button! Each flavor is dispensed with individual pumps and supply lines - no chance for any two flavors to inter-mix. The goose-neck spout houses five separate micro-tubes that independently dispense each beverage from the bottle to the spout. Perfect for Boats/Yachts, RV's Game Rooms or in your Home Bar area. NO Sink or Drain required! The SIDEBAR is drip-free, eliminating the need for a drain pan or sink. SIDEBAR 6500H system comes complete with everything you need to start serving drinks, just supply the bottles of your favorite spirits, wines, margarita mixes or any non-carbonated beverages. Install is simple, basic handy-man skills will have you up and serving drinks in no time. Selector keypad is back-lit with soft green LEDs, illuminating the flavors you are serving. Factory labels read: Whiskey, Vodka, Scotch, Gin & Rum. Includes optional lables for Tequila, Wine and Bourbon. Check our website for additional accessories. BLACK with BLACK Spout, Includes the optional 110VAC adapter, plugs into any US standard household outlet. SIDEBAR Beverage Systems has been manufacturing beverage dispensing systems since 1979. We service light-commercial and recreational customers world-wide and serve the perfect beverage every time. Feel free to contact us with any questions. We look forward to serving you and your guests! All orders ship within 24 hours of payment (excluding weekends and holidays). WWW.SIDEBARBEVERAGE.COM |
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RE: ? about insulated vinyl siding (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: energy_rater_la on 06.21.2009 at 03:02 pm in Building a Home Forum
NOTES: Ask for further explanation ... is he saying we DO need furring strips for all vinyl when used over insulation board ??
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\/ \/ the foam sheathing in contact with the wall, properly nailed, seams taped and all penetrations sealed provides thermal barrier on exterior of house. however, there are two methods of installing vinyl on top of foam sheathing. use foil/foam sheathing on exterior..taped to seal..blah blah..1" furring strips are installed where vinly siding will be nailed. vinly installed. use of foil faced sheating with furring strips will create radaint barrier on walls..reflecting heat out a benefit in hot climates. furring strips will also allow for full nailing of vinyl. second method would not entail furring strips, but vinyl would be nailed directly to foam sheathing. if nail guns are being used, the depth has to be set correctly and checked during use of nail gun, to assure that nail is not shooting through foam sheathing..sounds crazy. you would think, looking where you are working, that you would notice. but is is more about speed than quality. you might have to be quality control! |
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RE: Opinions Needed Regarding Some Window Brands (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: oberon on 06.20.2009 at 01:11 pm in Building a Home Forum
NOTES: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg0613202020496.html
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One thing the windsor guy told me in the sales pitch is that the windows are made from extruded aluminum vs. rolled aluminum (like a coke can). Windsor is manufactured in NC (as well as in Iowa, I believe). I spoke with one of my builders about Windsor --- they would save money vs. Pella architect. He feels the quality of Windsor is a very good value (and they have a good warranty as well). He said in his spec homes he puts Pella because people recognize the name. But, in a higher end custom build where people are concerned about a good quality window, but not necessarily the sticker in the window, he often uses Windsor. Semco seemed better technically. They make their own glass modules using an insulating spacer around the edge. They also have a better casement latching system and foam the top and bottom extrusions and all four corners. In selecting fiberglass windows with passive solar glass options, it is important to select windows that provide for both a high solar heat gain (high SHGC) and also excellent insulating ability (U-value)--let the energy in and keep it in. Wes Gilmore with Serious Materials at 303-530-1150 is knowlegeable and helpful in describing the fiberglass product offerings of Serious Materials designed for passive solar designs. I detest having to fill out a contact form just to find out who might be carrying the product I am interested in. It is not helpful when someone sitting in an office in Sunnyvale thinks they know who is convenient to me and who isn't. They don't. I want a list of all your suppliers in the state and the neighboring state. Then I will check them out locally, and I will decide which one I will deal with. The companies that you mentioned, other than Serious Materials, and including Integrity, use Cardinal LowE coatngs. Cardinal's 179 coating offers high SHGC and decent U-factor' You might try by passing the distributor and calling any of the companies that you are interested in and asking if they will use the 179 coating and if they will glaze the coating to surface 3. |
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RE: Insulation (Follow-Up #8)
posted by: energy_rater_la on 02.05.2010 at 11:53 am in Building a Home Forum
NOTES: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg02071540982.html
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Essen faucet or other from galaxy tool supply?
posted by: jessie21 on 07.08.2008 at 09:06 pm in Kitchens Forum
NOTES: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0721062617177.html
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Posted by ma-bookreader (My Page) on Tue, Jul 8, 08 at 23:04 I bought this faucet: LI-VLK-6 Adige Pull Out Kitchen Faucet
My experience with buying from Galaxy Tool Supply was excellent. My order came in about 2 days and I did not pay for expedited shipping. I bought the sink and faucet from them and the pricing was incredible. The faucet was much cheaper than the posted web site price. |
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WAY over budget, who has best priced faucets on line
posted by: dd70 on 01.30.2008 at 05:49 pm in Kitchens Forum
NOTES: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg011749549033.html
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RE: New garage floor Epoxy? Pad? Tiles? (Follow-Up #12)
posted by: sniffdog on 05.28.2009 at 10:08 am in Building a Home Forum
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RE: wedi for steam shower (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: mongoct on 07.03.2010 at 02:05 pm in Bathrooms Forum
NOTES: framing should be sloped.
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Bill V travels and knows his stuff. Isn't there a design and or set of plans a specifications for this shower? If not , I strongly suggest you cease work immediately and acquire a plan by someone with knowledge. This is not one of those things that usually turns out well by leaving things to a conversation with a builder and a sketch on a napkin with a pretty magazine picture. |
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RE: Help decide banquette layout (and other questions)... (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: buehl on 07.04.2010 at 10:42 am in Kitchens Forum
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RE: Newspaper pots (Follow-Up #24)
posted by: ilene_in_neok on 02.01.2008 at 09:46 am in Frugal Gardening Forum Today I made square newspaper pots and I think I'm going to like them better. I used a square wooden pencil holder as my form. It was part of a desk set. But you could use anything that you want to. This pencil holder is about 3" on all four sides and about 4" tall.
I took a sheet of newspaper, already folded once, and cut it along the second fold, where it naturally gets folded before the carrier rolls it into a roll. I took each piece, (about 10" x 28"), and folded it once, long ways. This resulted in a strip about 5" x 28". Then I just wrapped the strip around the form until I got to the end of the paper strip. Put a small piece of tape down to hold it. Then turn over your form and fold the paper down like you're wrapping the end of a Christmas present. Put a little piece of tape down to hold that. Because they're square, they fit together better in a tray (I use old cake pans I buy at garage sales, and just put the pots in rows in the pan). Because the bottoms have been folded flat, they sit up better. I really like the idea of newspaper pots. So economical, so recyclable, so much easier on the plants when it's time to set out, and the newspaper acts like a sponge and helps keep the plant roots moist between rains. There's no need to unfold the pot when you plant because the roots will grow right through, but if you really want to, it's quick and easy. If you like round ones, you can use tomato paste can for the form. I found these to be a little too small and liked to use a soup can better. You can make them as deep as you want, really. Provided that you use enough layers, you can just about make your newspaper pot any size (and shape) that you want. The origami pots are cute, but they take more time to make, and I must be "origami challenged" because mine are always lop-sided. I also like a little more paper at the bottom than these end up having. The wonderful thing about all these options is that you have lots of ways to choose from, whatever works best for you! NOTES: <none>
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RE: And, my NEW oven tries to ruin Xmas dinner!! Advice, pls! (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: live_wire_oak on 12.26.2009 at 07:15 pm in Kitchens Forum I once had a very irate lady call our store chewing us out about the amount of smoke her new range made. Well, she had forgotten to remove the taped on bottle of oven cleaning cream that the manufacturer had supplied. So, I always ask if the cavity has been inspected well before being engaged in operation!
So first make sure that you've removed all of the literature and supplies that came with the oven. That includes any tape and tape residue. Tape residue can produce some nasty smoke. Check your storage drawer or broiler drawer if that is how your range is configured. Then, make sure you've done the required burnoff that new ovens will need. That should be done before actually using it to cook with. It's a stinky process, but you have to heat the oven to 450° and keep it there for a couple of hours while any of the machine oil and grease burns off. You should be standing by to operate fans and open any windows while this process occurs. After you've done both of these things, run the self cleaning cycle (Make sure your racks are removed if they aren't also self cleanable. Most aren't.) Let your oven cool and wipe it out with soap and water. NOTES: <none>
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RE: Show me your glass front cabinets, please :) (Follow-Up #8)
posted by: jodi_in_so_calif on 03.04.2008 at 10:45 am in Kitchens Forum Here is a photo of glass doors we had installed in our bar area next to our kitchen.
We chose Reeded glass, on a horizontal cut. We hadn't finished filling the cabinets yet so it's hard to see how visible items are behind the glass. We used the chart below from Feather River Doors as our guide when choosing.
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RE: Pull-out bread board (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: plllog on 12.15.2009 at 01:45 pm in Kitchens Forum Well, you need the cabinetry that accepts them. They used to be de rigeur, but they're currently out of style. You need to have face frame cabinets, or replace a drawer in euro style with a frame (though I've seen a drop down fake drawer front covering the board).
Check this thread for Love2cook4six's custom full overlay with cutting board (with pics), and scroll down to the end where Fori talks about adapting a drawer to be both a drawer and a cutting board (not cutting board in drawer). These people make the boards boards. These people have boards too. For a wheelchair user I might do something custom, with more support than a standard pullout cutting board. Something with a cantilever so the downward pressure would be supported. Even if it were essentially an upside down drawer with a cutting surface on the top. NOTES: <none>
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RE: Fire and Ice 2 X 2 Morena Tile-Amber (Follow-Up #5)
posted by: jan01tx on 09.04.2008 at 10:50 am in Kitchens Forum Well, after multiple phone calls, I tracked the 2X2 tiles down and want to share the information in case anyone else needs it. MasterTile in Anaheim, CA, still has approx. 1800 sq.ft. of the amber tiles; it has been discontinued but will be available until it all sells. Their phone number is (714)712-8210. The product ID is: INT-ILV-BURAMB. I ordered 2 sq.ft. for a total cost, including $15 shipping to Texas, for $50.00.
That is the good news. The bad news is, I found out late yesterday afternoon that the Fire and Ice is backordered until OCTOBER 31. I can't imagine waiting another 2 months for my backsplash to finally be completed, but I love the tile sooo much that I am willing to wait. Thanks again for everyone's help!! NOTES: <none>
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Actual Kitchen Map (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: buehl on 07.18.2008 at 12:45 am in Kitchens Forum Like Raehelen, I created an MS Word document...well, actually two.
The first was a list of everything I had in my old kitchen plus everything that should have been stored in the kitchen but wasn't. The second document was a "map" of my kitchen. First, I took a picture of my kitchen design and, in MS PowerPoint, labeled each cabinet & shelf/drawer. There were two pictures, one for each side of the kitchen. Then, I saved them as "jpg" images. I then inserted them into an MS Word document, each on its own page. I then created a table with one row for each shelf/drawer. My last step was to map the items from the first document to the cabinets & shelves/drawers in the second document. That document is now in our new kitchen and is used by everyone to remember where everything goes. HTH! NOTES: <none>
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