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RE: Finished White Kitchen! (Follow-Up #63)

posted by: robinst on 01.22.2010 at 07:25 am in Kitchens Forum

For those looking for the backsplash details, I have a little more detail about the special order:

Merchant ID: 175000002022
Item #: 286326
Item description: zacarramarbstrip Carrara Extra Random Strip

The phone number of the Lowes I purchased it from is (519) 967-3560.

Good luck.


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Granite counter top support over a dishwasher

posted by: ricardojgomez on 05.01.2010 at 12:29 pm in Kitchens Forum

Good morning everyone. I am new to the forum so I hope I am doing this right.

I am in the process of updating my counter tops in my kitchen. I have a question regarding what options I have to support the stone while it goes over my dishwasher. Saddly our dishwasher is at the end of the counter so the granite cant be supported on the other end because the stove is adjacent to it.

Is there some sort of bracket I can mount to the back wall or am I going to have to go with some sort of sheet metal that will span the entire length of the counter top to support the stone.

I appreciate your help and time on this.

Ricardo Gomez


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RE: Granite counter top support over a dishwasher (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: live_wire_oak on 05.01.2010 at 09:17 pm in Kitchens Forum

YOu need a ledger on the back wall and a minimum 3/4" side panel to either side of the DW.


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RE: plumber putty vs silicone on silgranit sink??? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: ccoombs1 on 03.24.2010 at 06:33 am in Kitchens Forum

Plumber's putty is a petroleum-based product and as we all know, oils and granite do not mix. Plumber's putty will leave an oil stain on granite and silgranite. That's why you must use silicone for the granite installation. Make sure your plumbers knows this too so he does not ruin your brand new sink when he hooks up the drain!


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RE: plumber putty vs silicone on silgranit sink??? (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: ci_lantro on 03.23.2010 at 09:14 pm in Kitchens Forum

Plumbers use plumber's putty to seat the piece of the drain that is inside of the sink. So, unless your granite guy is hooking up the plumbing, you don't have anything to worry about.

You do need to make sure that your plumber doesn't use the old standard plumber's putty though. There is a stainless version of plumber's putty but I think the sink manufacturer's recommend silicone for the silgranit sinks.

Diagram at the link.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sink Drain


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RE: Show me pics of your bulletproof floors (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: gwentm on 04.07.2010 at 12:01 am in Kitchens Forum

We replaced natural sisal carpeting with this Porcelanosa porcelain wood like tile in our bedroom after we had 2 floods. Even though the problem causing the floods was supposedly fixed,we didn't want to take a chance. The tile can be used in any room where you would like a wood floor look and easy maintenance. Comes in different colors widths and lengths. Took grout recommendation from Porcelanosa & installer but, if I did this again, I would use a darker grout that blended more with the tile, probably having to to mix colors to get it.

PS- No floods since it was installed!




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RE: Not enough light ing driving me crazy ... 45-50 watt bulbs? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: nkkp on 04.05.2010 at 11:03 am in Kitchens Forum

We have 6" lights - and a ton of them. In retrospect, I wish we had followed our dining room plan - one recessed pot in each corner and one multi-light fixture in the center of the room. It would have been a cleaner look and provided better lighting with less shadowing. But, I listened to my designer, so don't feel bad listening to your BIL...

We used a 50 watt Satco BR30 halogen with high lumen output. It was amazing to see the one from HD (which was a 75 watt) in one fixture and the satco in another. The satco was much whiter and brighter. We tried the PAR style but was afraid it would be TOO much light (much more focused beam) if we used them everywhere. I'm not sure if satco makes a 4" bulb but if they do, I highly recommend them.

I can't remember how much time I spent online learning about types of bulbs and lumens...way, way, way to much time!


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RE: Show me pics of your bulletproof floors (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: wi-sailorgirl on 04.06.2010 at 04:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

Skoo ... I LOVE your floor. It's beautiful.

We put in Mohawk Sardara tile about three or four years ago (after living with WHITE vinyl) and it was the best thing that ever happened to us. We have two Newfoundlands and no mud room, so every bit of mud, dirt, dust, drool, sand, and whatever other corruption they carry in all that fur ends up in the kitchen. This floor always looks clean (it amazes me how dirty it sometimes is when I wash it) and stands up to everything.
It's porcelain and has just a slight texture to it so it's not slippery despite the gallons of water they manage to slosh around.

Sorry for the picture ... I took it of the new banquette, but it shows the floor better than any other shots I have.



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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #24)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.17.2010 at 10:40 am in Kitchens Forum

Just got off the phone with Phil from juno tech. He said trim choice is a matter of personal preference. Most popular 206 and 207. The beam spread on the 206 will be wider than on the 207-206 50WPAR30 vs. 207 50WPAR20-therefore more light with 206 than 207. 204 no option for long neck or short neck bulbs but takes same 50WPAR30 as the 206 so amount of light should be same. The 204 has a shorter area than the 206's deep cone so bulb sits like a long neck would in the 206. Lastly, the 216's enclosure is way up by the socket-moisture lock-used most often in wet locations-don't have to use outdoor rated lamps if installing in a non wet location. 216 is not a deep cone like the 206 so no long neck v. short neck options for bulbs.

Steven Dorst at told me on 3/3 that he had 15 of the 216WHZ-WH trims $31.50 each-don't know about shipping charges. They don't normally sell this trim but could get more from juno if needed. Have to go to if you want to special order the 216 from laner.

Jeremy Klapp at galesburelctric sent me a e-mail pricing the 216WHZ-WH
at $39.88 each plus shipping.

From this what I have learned is that the 206 suits me best as I like having the option to do long or short neck bulbs with this trim's deep cone-reflects more. The 216 is a nice choice also-cone isn't as deep as the 206 but you can use 75WmaxPAR30 so more light?? The 207-out of the running for me as beam spread less-therefore less light than the 206. The 204 may work fine-beam spread same as 206-just not as deep cone as the 206 so no long vs. short neck bulb option.

Only negative to the 206WHZ-WH is that it's the most expensive of the trims!! Prices I got ranged from $63.95, $39.46, $39.88, $31.50, and $45.50 that we paid but got the IC20R cheapest so maybe spent under $100 more buying from the electric supply store but no shipping charges and an actual store to see the displays and a go to place if there were problems with the order, etc.

honeysucklevine-If you decide on the 216 think you will be happy-I hope!! If you are afraid your kitchen is too dark maybe the 216 is for you. Ours should be totally up and running by the end of the week and I can post back to let you know how the light is-will post pics too. Let us know what you decide!!


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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: pudgybaby on 03.17.2010 at 10:35 am in Kitchens Forum

Well, I called Juno, and I don't know if this is going to help or not, but the tech (who I didn't think was all that helpful) said the 216 is more universal in that it can take more lightbulbs.

He told me that there is NO LENS over the 216 trim, but it sure looks like there is in the pics, although maybe the problem is that they are showing a white reflector. The 'enclosed' on the 216 means at the top of the reflector. he said you can't see up into it, but I'm not sure what that means.

Finally, he said that the difference between the 204, 206, 216, etc trims is personal preference and the light bulbs they take, and find a showroom to look at them. I'm not sure I am going to be able to find a showroom with the various styles, but I am going to try Friday.

I did a google image search for one of the 216 alzak trims. I am linking one although of course they could have the wrong photo, but it does not appear to have a lens. It really wouldn't make sense to have a lens over an alzak reflector, would it?

Here is a link that might be useful: pic of 216c-wh?


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It's so hard to decide! (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.16.2010 at 07:51 pm in Kitchens Forum

My DH is in the construction business and he thinks that the 5" cans with 50 watt bulbs will be plenty of light. He put in 9 of them. With the 216 you can use a 75 wattPAR30 bulb so in theory that would be more light but then you have the lens enclosure so I really don't know. The guy from laner said they don't carry the 216 because it's not a popular order but he did say he could get it for me. Initially I was leaning towards the 216s also but changed my mind and went with the 206. But that's my style preference.

If you use the long neck bulbs instead of the short neck with the 206 the bulb sits further down almost even with the bottom of the can so it sheds more light. The only other lighting I have in my kitchen is the recessed one over the sink. Guess it depends on how much light you want to have.

How about posting this on the lighting forum??


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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.16.2010 at 07:30 pm in Kitchens Forum

It's enclosed to keep moisture out. That's why it's good for bathrooms. Guess it's just a matter of style preference when all is said and done. Do you have any stores close to you that have the junos on display?? That may be the best way to decide. Closest ones to us were in Fredonia and Rochester so a bit of a drive but it was worth the extra aggravation to be happy with my decision. Another reason I decided to go with the 206 instead of the 216 was that I was paying $$ for that wheat haze trim and I wanted to be able to see it!


"It" in first two sentences refers to 216.
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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.16.2010 at 04:04 pm in Kitchens Forum

Honeysucklevine-Our ceiling height is few inches shy of 8'. When I got home DH had all the cans in and oh my-blinded by the light!! Good thing we're putting in a dimmer. The bulbs you can get for the 206 can be long neck halogen floods (ours) or short neck. Guy at the electrical supply store recommended the long neck as bulb sits lower and gives off more light. On the bulb pkg. there is a diagram that shows diameter/distance in feet for the light that the bulb gives off. For instance with 8' ceiling-flood like mine will cover 5' diameter at the bottom or floor-from the bulb to the counter at about 4.5 feet-will just say 5'-the bulb covers 4' diameter which is why DH spaced the cans 44" apart. There is certainly more than enough light in my kitchen with the 50 watt bulbs. HTH.

pudgybaby-Those prices sound pretty good. wanted $22.61 each in pkg. of 6 or $26.08 each for less than pkgs. of 6 for the IC20R. wanted $16.98 each plus shipping for the IC20R. We ended up paying $24.43 each from the store-no shipping charge. The 206WHZ-WH trim from the store was $45.50 each. had them for $46.01 each for 6 or $49.44 each. Think galesburgelectric price was $39.46 each but I have so many prices, model numbers on this piece of paper I can't be sure about this last price on the 206 from galesburg.

I am posting some pics but not completely finished yet. DH has to wait for the ceiling to dry before putting in the wheat haze trim with the white outer ring. I'll post complete pictures when the ceiling is done. Hope this gives you some idea and is helpful.

Juno provides templates for you.

our version of pendant lights!!!

it will look so much better when the wheat haze trim is in

this shows that the long neck bulb sits lower in the housing giving off more light.

We were worried that we wouldn't have enough light but I have to tell you that was not the case for us. All in all, think Juno tech and electric supply store manager and even others on this forum and in lighting forum were very helpful.


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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.16.2010 at 10:30 am in Kitchens Forum

Juno tech guy recommended the 206 for us which is what DH is installing as I post this. This is also what remodelfla got for her kitchen. Her post "put me out of my misery and tell me which cans to get" (something like that) was very helpful to me in my decision. The larger one does spread more light because the diameter is bigger. Don't know about price of the different bulbs. We ordered everything from an electrical supply store in Rochester, NY so I could actually see the different trims, sizes, etc. Bulbs were $4.50 each. We got the ones recommended by the store manager-50PAR30LN/H/FL 120V 50W QTZ ME 120V clear lamp 35DEG 14109 Eiko.

Guess it would depend on the size of your kitchen. We are putting in 9 cans-already have a recessed light over the sink. Kitchen opens to DR that has hanging light fixture over the DR table. Our kitchen measures 14 x 13.


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RE: Juno 216 cans for 8' ceiling in kitchen? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: chris45ny on 03.16.2010 at 12:22 am in Kitchens Forum

Are you referring to the 216 trim for the housing/cans??

We have 8' ceilings and putting in 5" Juno IC20R housings/cans. Juno tech said could use 3 different trims with these cans: 206, 207, or 216. We ended up with the 206. There are differences-both 206 and 207 take 50 watt max-the 206 is par30 about 3 3/4" wide and the 207 is par 20 about 2 1/2" wide. If I remember think the 216 has a lens covering which makes it suitable for wet places like the bathroom but can take 75 watt max par 30. HTH and hasn't confused you more!!

Could call Juno tech 1-800-367-5866. The guy I talked to was very helpful.


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RE: put me out of my misery and just tell me what kind of cans to (Follow-Up #44)

posted by: needsometips08 on 02.22.2010 at 07:11 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'll chime in if I may, even though the question wasn't addressed to me.

The lighting people told me clear and wheat were both equally fabulous options. They both cast great light. They said the wheat casts *almost* as much light as the clear. But the wheat is just a little softer in terms of coloring. For instance I have lots of soft, warm colors in my kitchen - creams and browns and earth tones and they recommended wheat for those colors.

But she also made the point that you will look at your lights the first couple days your new kitchen is in and then after that you won't look at them again. She asked how many times I go over to people's houses and look at the ceiling.

Considering the clear was cheaper, I chose to just go with the clear since we already spent a fortune and are overbudget.

I think both are equally good choices, it's just personal preference.


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RE: put me out of my misery and just tell me what kind of cans to (Follow-Up #34)

posted by: remodelfla on 02.16.2010 at 12:27 pm in Kitchens Forum

Next time... if I have any questions, I'm going to directly call the customer service department of the manufacturer like I just did. Juno customer service Tech department ROCKS! They answered every detail of every question in a manner I can understand and even told me the exact model number(s) I need to order so I don't have to search any further. Now I"m going to firm up the rest of my lighting picks and order everything at once to try and work the best price possible. Thanks all!!

And Oh... it's gonna be the 5" line voltage IC for remodels with the trim white and wheat haze interior. It can take halogens or incandescants and are dimmable. He even recommended the bulbs to get. Woo-Hoo! Another learning experience and another decision made.


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RE: put me out of my misery and just tell me what kind of cans to (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: svwillow1 on 02.16.2010 at 08:23 am in Kitchens Forum

Make it simple. Use Juno 5" Remodel Incandesent Line Voltage Housings with the Alzac Wheat Trim. They will not clash with nickle hardware, etc. We have nickle satin hardware, etc., no clashes. The cans are in the ceiling and not very noticeable.

Make certain that the trim and housing you use will handle a 75watt flood. Juno does make this. Put everything on a properly sized dimmer. Buy 75watt halogen wide-floods, not spots. You can always dim them if you want. This will work fine. The cost will come to around $75.00 total for each, housing, trim, and bulb.

We bought ours on line at Laner Electric supply:

If your are not certain what housings, trims, etc., will work, give them a call. I found them very helpful.

We also bought dimmers, switches, and face plates from them.

Here is a link that might be useful: Juno Residentail Recessed Lighting


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RE: put me out of my misery and just tell me what kind of cans to (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: needsometips08 on 02.16.2010 at 01:49 am in Kitchens Forum

I too stuck with the 6" cans - in fact, I re-used all our old cans and added more using the cheapest ones from Home Depot.

But I used Juno trims - that was my splurge. To save money again, I chose the clear Alzak instead of the wheat haze. Plus the clear alzak reflects more light into the room than any others.

The people at Seattle Lighting told me that the standard cans (the 6" high ones) could not accommodate a 75 watt bulb. I would have to buy the cans that were 7.5" high - and Juno makes them - if I wanted a 75 watt. The difference in price was $5.33 per can (Utilitech) verses over $25 per can (Juno).

I called Crescent Lighting and the person there said they hadn't heard of 75 watts blowing cans, but looked it up, and then said, "wow, sure enough". The next time I was at Lowe's to buy more cans I hunted down an electrician who worked in the lighting dept and asked him, "I am buying these cans. [the 6" high ones] Can I put a 75 watt bulb in here?" He said no, it would get too hot and flip the can off until it cools in about 20 minutes. He said I could use a 65 watt as long as it was long neck, but then the bulb is flush with the ceiling and defeats the purpose of canned lighting.

So I planned for all 50 watts - 10 cans and 3 pendants. My lighting is installed and it's fabulous.


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RE: red cherry kitchens with light countertops (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: staceyneil on 04.01.2010 at 01:28 pm in Kitchens Forum

Thanks, alwaysfixin. The pulls are from Restoration Hardware. I tried about a gazillion others but these were the best AND they came in all these different lengths. If I recall I have 6" on my very wide drawers (one, centered), 3" on a really skinny pull-out, 4" on the 18-24" drawers, and that one on the trash pullout that you mentioned -not DW- is 8". It's great because I can hang the dish towel there and it's convenient to the sink plus protects the pull and cabinet from messy hands (a tip from another GW-er!)

The knobs are by Amerock from my loacl hardware store. They were much less than the RH ones and are quite nice. Solid brass, both have Satin Nickel finishes and match just fine.


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RE: red cherry kitchens with light countertops (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: teaforwendy on 04.01.2010 at 12:09 pm in Kitchens Forum

Here's my cherry door and Bianco Antico granite. Expect cabinet install the week of April 19. Granite shortly thereafter.


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RE: undercounter lighting ,what to buy?? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: scottdim on 03.28.2010 at 12:52 pm in Lighting Forum

@footwedge the total cabinet length is 77 inches, i purchased 2 24 inch light bars and one 12 inch bar for a total of 60 inches for under this set of cabinets. As you can see in the pics, you can attach the bars end to end with the included connectors. It puts out more than enough light, we are definitely pleased with them.

The costs were slightly high for our lighting because we had to purchase 2 power supplies and the related parts and accessories to go with them. With a little better planning we probably could have got it done with one and would have run the low voltage lines ahead of time (we had 120v lines run so had to work with that).

The parts necessary to power the lights in the picture above include

1-35 Watt 24 VDC Waterproof Power Supply (LPV-35-24

1-Female Mini Power Supply Plug and 20" Cord
(FemaleMiniPlug) - connects power supply to low voltage plug

1-PowerPlug Luminaire Disconnect (Disconnect 102) - attaches the top 2, if you don't get this you can use standard twist on wire connectors, but this makes it cleaner.

1-Under Cabinet Light Inline Switch (6 feet long)
(RAUCIS72) - plugs into the female mini power supply plug and has an on off switch. I think there are other options here but we wanted to have the ability to control this bar of lights separately

1-LED Dimmable Under Cabinet Light 12 inch Neutral White
2-ED Dimmable Under Cabinet Light 24 inch Neutral White

Hope that helps.


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RE: undercounter lighting ,what to buy?? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: rjr220 on 03.26.2010 at 02:56 pm in Lighting Forum

Someone has also suggested elementalled. I called then and they were very helpful telling me exactly what I needed -- I need about 150 inches, and it seems that the cost was less than what was quoted above.

Here is a link that might be useful: another LED source


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RE: undercounter lighting ,what to buy?? (Follow-Up #6)

posted by: scottdim on 03.26.2010 at 12:46 pm in Lighting Forum

tkme4ard, The total cost for 102 inches of total light bars and all the necessary accessories to go with it was around $500-600. Ill have to pull the invoice to see all the different pieces. It is true, theres a lot of different things you need to buy to make these work.

Light bars, Power Driver, power cords, connector cords (if needed) and a few other various connectors. Please click on my link I have attached as it has a PDF of the instruction manual which goes into detail on everything you need.

Willis, they are very bright and get the job done for sure. We have the Natural white color which is a more pure white. They also sell these in soft white which would probably suit you better if you are looking for a warmer light. See this link for all the various options.

Here is a link that might be useful: Environmental Lights Undercabinet LED light bar manual


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