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RE: Deep drawer organizer -- pegboard to hold dishes (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: jquentzel on 09.13.2006 at 01:52 pm in Kitchens Forum

While I was designing my kitchen I came across this. It looks great and is very reasonable. However I never purchased it as my drawers are just fine with only a liner. No sliding at all.

Here is a link that might be useful: merillat pegboard


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RE: Is it really OK to mail order sinks and faucets? (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: sarahandbray on 08.25.2006 at 08:09 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have no idea why my appliances wound up being cheaper at our local Mom & Pop appliance store (over anything online or at big box stores) while faucets, garbage disposal and sink were WAY cheaper online!! And I've done hours of mindless research trying to find the best price...strange I think that's kind of fun in a weird way!!

(no shipping or tax on any below)
--ordered the Rohl 30" farmsink for $650 on (they wanted $800+tax locally).
--JUST ordered the Insinkerator Evolution Cover Control (batch-feed) from homeclick for $183.17 (Lowes--$230+tax, Sec. Supply $260+tax)
--Danze "Opulence" single lever kitchen faucet in SS for $283.83 (wanted over $380 locally!) and soap dispenser for $15.56--again, all with homeclick's weekend 10% sale.

I would prefer to buy locally myself, but at a savings of almost 40% every time....why????



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RE: Is it really OK to mail order sinks and faucets? (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: katecooks40 on 08.25.2006 at 07:31 pm in Kitchens Forum

There is no way we could have remodeled our kitchen and adjoinging bathroom with top of the line plumbing fixtures, bisazza glass tile, mixer lift, etc. without using eleven different online vendors. Even the least responsive online vendor beat the, we don't care, we don't have to, local plumbing and showroom style suppliers.

My favorite online buying experiences were:
Costco. com for the couple of things they had (Danze and kindred)
and Knoxville tile.

The only serious disapointment was Schill's plumbing -- sounded great on the phone and then zero communication when a month plus back-order happened on a critical ventilator. But even this one, several phone calls, and six weeks later, arrived in fine condition.


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RE: stainless steel backsplash pricing update (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: algooo on 09.12.2006 at 08:51 pm in Kitchens Forum


Sorry for not posting sooner but I've been finalizing the kitchen design and things are moving quite fast.

Alice, Ferd Construction in Hollis, NH is doing the backsplash, which will cover two walls approx 8-9' each. We're still hashing out the install, but Ferd wants to put it in before the cabs so that it sits behind the cabs--I think it'll make his life easier since he won't have to template. I don't know where he's getting the material. Backsplash will be mounted to wall with adhesive. It could also be installed with screws, but I wanted a cleaner look. The only interuption in the entire backsplash will be one switch for the light above the sink. Strip outlets will be mounted underneath the cabinets, which will be recessed to accomodate both the power strips and undercab lighting--cleaner look than a light rail IMHO. I'm going with slate counters with a 3" slate backsplash, which will be attached to the SS with silicon. I assume the same would be done with Corian. I'm going with the 3" slate backsplash so that I won't mess up the SS backsplash everytime I wipe the counters. Slate counters are going to be dark green (which isn't really that dark)which I think will look fantastic with the SS.

In my original posting, I was advised not to go to a local fabricator as they would charge $$$, something that was confirmed by the $2800 I was quoted. I didn't request quotes from other fabricators as I was happy with the $450 that my contractor quoted.

On a side note, the cab showroom quoted $700 for glass for one tall cabinet--4pcs, each 41"tall x 15" wide. I think that's too much so I'm off searching for glass. Any suggestions?



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stainless steel backsplash pricing update

posted by: algooo on 09.03.2006 at 03:28 pm in Kitchens Forum

Just wanted to give an update on my SS backsplash.

A few weeks back I posted how my KD's SS fabricator quoted $2800 to do a SS backsplash. Another poster recommended Frigo Design, who quoted roughly $1000 for material including shipping--much better!

Well the company that I'm using to do the construction just quoted $450 for material and install. The material is equivalent to Frigo's (gauge, finish,. . .). They're a large company that also does commercial work that sometimes includes stainless steel.

$450's much closer (or even less) to what I had in mind.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their input,


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RE: Tired of playing the cabinet pricing game? Round 2 (Follow-Up #93)

posted by: kompy on 09.12.2006 at 03:07 pm in Kitchens Forum

I've heard many consumers (here and IRL) say 'I have no idea what my budget is'. Understandably so. I have found a good rule of least here in the Midwest.

I have found that for cabinets, countertops, hardware, sink, faucet, minor lighting and installation (in a medium sized kitchen).....people tend to spend what they spent on a car. Here in my market, this amounts usually between $15,000 to $45,000. This amount does not include any structural changes, appliances, flooring, windows...etc. Just your basic replacing of cabinets and tops.

I am speaking in general terms, so please don't reply about what you spent on your car. I just thought this might help someone out there....about how to start thinking about costs.

One more tip- Here's a general cost 'per cabinet' of the following:

Stock/Builder grade Cabinetry: $200-$300 per cabinet
(examples: Homecrest, Aristokraft, Kemper, Haas, Kabinart)

Semi-custom: $250-$400 per cabinet
(examples: KraftMaid, Medallion, Kitchencraft, Bertch, Brookhaven, Decora)

Custom: $350-$950 per cabinet
(examples: Mouser, Holiday, DeWils, Grabill, P&F, DutchMade, Rutt)

Hi-end Custom: $800-$1200 per cabinet
(examples: Christiana, Craft-Maid, Downsview)



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RE: GE Monogram, F & P, Viking wall ovens for baking & reliabilit (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: daffodil2green on 09.11.2006 at 02:23 am in Appliances Forum

dpoulsen, have you seen the DCS wall ovens. Its large in the inside and all three racks are rolling in each oven.
It is just as large as the F&P. The 30" has 4.3cf of space, 15" in depth and 231/2" in width of usable space and the 27" has 3.8cf of space. Take a look at that DCS. I will be putting my order for the DCS 30" double wall oven.


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RE: Remodeling VERY Small bathrooms (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: radicchio on 08.30.2006 at 09:01 pm in Bathrooms Forum

Ok, I think I've figured this out. Here are photos of my two very small bathrooms.

The "master" bath is 5'x 8'. The shower is along the back, with glass enclosure and a half wall. The tile is a cream colored honed limestone, with iridescent glass accent tiles randomly placed. I think avoiding borders in tiles keeps the room looking larger. The vanity is wenge wood and only legs with one shelf, to keep the room open. All storage is in the three recessed cabinets which run along the wall over the vanity and toilet. The cabinets are 6" deep so they hold a lot. They are covered by hinged, frameless glass doors (made at a glass shop).

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The guest bath is about 5'x 6.5'. Along the back in this room is the tub, an Aquatics Serenity 4 airbath (from I made the shower curtain sheer, and ran it from a ceiling track ( to add height and avoid a shower bar that would cut the room in half. The pedestal sink is the Kohler Memoirs. I have the same type of semi-recessed mirror-fronted cabinets above the sink and toilet. Tile is light gold honed limestone with polished onyx accent tiles. The "train rack" is from Restoration Hardware.

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For both bathrooms, I decided that to make up for lack of space I'd go higher-end on materials.

Other space creating tips -- avoid heavy vanities with cabinets to open up floor space.

Neither bathroom has wall-mounted lights, because of the cabinets filling the space above the sinks. I used 4 pot lights in the ceiling in both baths, with dimmers.

They are both great bathrooms even though they are tiny! It's certainly hard to photograph a small bathroom -- no room to back up.


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RE: granite, marble, stainless steel countertops (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: mondragon on 08.08.2006 at 02:16 pm in Kitchens Forum

A green granite that costs more than Van Gogh? Wow. I can't find any references to "electra green" - it must have a different name other places. At the yard I went to the blue stones were almost always the most expensive. I'm pretty confident that you could find a green stone that you like that's significantly less expensive than Van Gogh (or else you found a great deal on Van Gogh....)

I love green stones. There have been a number of threads on here about green granites and there are a lot of photos - if you press on the link below you'll see them.

I've installed two different green stones, the first in a bathroom:

Different stones look different under different lights, I tried to adjust the contrast on this so that it looked like it looks to me without the bright flash on it.

Some of the lighter areas are a pinkish white, other areas are what look like pink quartz. We love it so much we almost used it in the kitchen, but instead we used this:

Which in reality appears much less contrasty and lighter than in these pictures. Here's what it looked like last night when I was cooking in a wok for the first time the new rangetop:

That's basically just the halogen light from the rangehood.

People have said that it looks like green sand being stirred into fresh cream. We have a white sink but a stainless rangetop and hood and it looks great with them.

The issue with marble is that what it's made of is reactive to any sort of acid (like vinegar or orange juice) and it will remove the polish. Most people who get marble for a kitchen get it honed so that there's no polish to remove, and they say that if it's well-sealed it doesn't stain.

Here is a link that might be useful: Gardenweb - green stone discussions


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RE: Why did you pick your brand of cabinetry? (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: kitchenobsessed on 09.05.2006 at 04:53 pm in Kitchens Forum

From this forum, I knew I wanted frameless (vs faceframe) cabs to give me maximum useable space in drawers. I also knew that I probably wanted/needed semi-custom cabs due to the depth of space on one wall. I also wanted painted cabs on wood and not MDF. I searched weed's (?) exhaustive list of cabinet companies, and discovered only a handful met the foregoing criteria, and that even fewer were available in my area. My desire for painted cabs, esp. paint on wood, eliminated a LOT of companies.

Cabinet company web sites led me to a number of dealers. I liked the Brookhaven finish the best because it was more matte than the others. It also offered a ton of whites/off-whites. I wanted a Shaker type door, so door style was not a huge factor. The various Brookhaven dealers in my area did not offer me a huge variation in price, probably because my kitchen is small. I went with the one who seemed most knowledgeable and was eager and willing to add to her knowledge base, or rather the one who was willing to consult with the other KDs in her office if she had a question, wanted a second opinion, etc. I did not buy through the older KD who seemed set in her ways and told me that the line did not carry something when in fact it did.

As to quality of construction: I think once you get above the lowest price point, a lot of companies provide decent construction.


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RE: old house--new bathroom (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: anna_chosak on 06.22.2005 at 12:06 pm in Bathrooms Forum

Thanks, Sally and Trish! After more than a year, I'm still enjoying this bathroom so much. :-)

I finally have some better pictures of the tile that someone else took for me. Here they are:

Basketweave marble tile, border of 4x4" unpolished Ming, base tiles, Ming pencil trim, and white subway tiles.

Closeup of basketweave patterned floor tile.


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a plug for

posted by: budge1 on 08.31.2006 at 11:46 pm in Kitchens Forum

I just received my order from also known as matthew burak classic designs, and I am so impressed.

I placed my order on Monday and it arrived today (Thurs). Really well packaged and everything as ordered. Also came with some printed directions.

The woman who helped me with my order was really knowledgable (which was good since I am not).

And yes, I should be in the basement trying to figure how I'm going to build the d___ island now that have the pieces (procrastination is my middle name).

Wish me luck.


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RE: stainless steel backsplash pricing (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: cpovey on 08.24.2006 at 09:47 am in Kitchens Forum

Look for sheet metal shops in the yellow pages. I got a piece, 36" wide and about 14" long, with two bends, for $15.00. And done in about 10 minutes, while I waited.

Another online alternative is Frigo Design. I also got a piece from them. I wanted the quilted 'diner' look. The local shop could do it, but they charge a lot-I don't thik they liked doing that kind of work. Frigo does it daily and did a great job on a complex piece, all mounted on a piece of wood. The best part was that the salesperson was actually intelligent and understood exactly what I wanted. And the piece arrived a week ahead of schedule. Great company to deal with.

Be sure to take some time on the Frigo website. They offer a lot of different things, and some items are kind-of hidden, or a similar product to what you want is one another page at half the cost of the first one you see.

Here is a link that might be useful: Frigo Design


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RE: Vermont Soapstone or Green Mountain Soapstone? (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: sarahandbray on 08.21.2006 at 07:37 pm in Kitchens Forum

Grrreat...Green Mtn.'s sample was "spotty??" Just the thing I wasn't looking for!

Molly--I did decide on the Rohl and actually ordered it online last night--I had a post about how much cheaper the sinks and faucets seem to be online, while the rest of the appliances were cheaper at Marcella's in Schenectady. Security Supply tried to sell me the 30" Rohl apron-front for $800 plus tax! Online, I got it for $650 w/shipping and no tax. I even asked Security if they price matched and before I could spit out the end of the sentence, they said "NO." So their loss, I guess! But I saved over $200! Do you know the RoadRunner end to e-mails here in NY? Just add that to my user name...

On the link I added, I was hoping to get something in a solid black--like Santa Rita--very traditional, but it can have some movement since my backsplash will just be a light green subway tile (Walker Zanger Orielle in Tanager).

Well, I'll let you know what I find out...and I'll take some pictures if they let me. Otherwise, it's off to M.Teixeira if I don't get a good price from Vermont Soapstone...

Oh my, twoyur...that's a HUGE sample! I think my sample from Vermont Soapstone was 4"X4" and 3/4" thick!! I'm going to try my luck with these local places first, but I may be asking for that sample soon!!

Good luck, tobynkate, on your install tomorrow...hopefully it will look just like you want it pictures, please!


Here is a link that might be useful: Soapstone choices (like Santa Rita)


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RE: Please pass on $$$ savings tips. (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: akrogirl on 08.18.2006 at 03:55 pm in Kitchens Forum

We found our best savings at The Great Indoors: ~ 40% off our wall ovens (Gaggenau convection and steam oven), Bosch DW and Advantium 120; ~ 25% off our Icon fridge. I have also seen excellent deals on sinks there - unfortunately never the size or type we needed, though we did just pick up a dish drainer for our Blanco sink for half price. It definitely helps if you are somewhat flexible on your appliance choices.

We also found some incredible deals at places like HD and Lowes at inventory time. The stores really mark down the stuff they want to get off the books and we found that certain branches would practically give the stuff away if we took the entire stock - e.g. three $120 light fixtures for less than $20 each; good quality, engineered wood flooring for $5 a box. We did find that not all store managers operate that way, so it is worth checking around if you have multiple stores nearby. The salesman in plumbing at The Great Indoors was also very open to offers on clearance items.


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RE: french door refrigerator (Follow-Up #26)

posted by: chipdivot on 08.18.2006 at 04:08 am in Appliances Forum

I purchased in january the Kitchenaide model of the french door fridge with the bottom freezer. All of these models are made by Amana no matter what the name on the door. When it was first plugged in the fridge section didn't work...the freezer was fine. The local company I bought it from repaired it. 3 months later when I got up to go to work...opened the fridge to get my lunch and it was 70 degrees! The local company fixed it again. The repairman said they have had alot of problems with the fan that blows the cold air into the fridge section. They are now using a better made in USA fan instead of the very cheap china made fan. It now makes a loud tapping noise and they replaced a vent that opens when the fan starts...still noisey. After calling the Whirlpool customer service number...who makes Kitchenaide and Maytag - ran me around with questions about when it makes the noise, what does it sound like, how often, etc and acted like I was making this up to get a new fridge. Today after the local company called the tech line again they admitted they do make a loud tapping noise caused by a valve in the compressor and there is no fix for it until they redesign the compressor and that I will just have to LIVE WITH IT!!!! Never ever buy one of these refridgerators or anything else made buy Whirlpool. I have owned their products for 30 years with no problem but they have gone cheap and absolutely no customer service.


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RE: Please pass on $$$ savings tips. (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: caroleoh on 08.17.2006 at 08:45 pm in Kitchens Forum

Order your door hardware online. I haven't found a box store that can beat any of the online guys.

Do your appliance shopping online at USAppliance, AJ Madison etc. and then go to your local guy and see if they will match the price. I got all my appliances locally - the initial price from the local guy was several hundred dollars higher on each appliance than the online quote I brought in. They matched the online price. I felt better about buying from a local place in case I had issues etc.

Faucets/sinks online are cheaper too. I got my faucet at and my sink from

I got my cabinets from too, and saved $$, but you need to know what you want and be willing to do alot of the "design" work yourself. I liked doing that, so it wasn't a problem, but they will not design a kitchen for you or tell you what cabinets to put where.

Goodluck saving $$. Every little bit helps and adds up!


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RE: Sticker shock on cabinets (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: dmlove on 08.16.2006 at 06:23 pm in Kitchens Forum

sorry, I mistyped when I wrote my post -- my apples to apples bids were for KitchenCraft, KraftMaid, Schuler (not Brookhaven) and Crystal. Didn't want to confuse anyone!


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RE: Sticker shock on cabinets (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: richard_remodels on 08.16.2006 at 05:16 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm sure I'll get an earful for suggesting this, but run the numbers per linear foot and see where you are. Bottom of the line should be in the $100-150 range, custom will be $350 and up, semi-custom starting in the middle of this range. This is for standard depth base and wall. Modify accordingly for full height (pantry, ovens, etc) and base w/out wall. It would be hard to do any differently based on my experience. We priced our kitchen at three kitchen showrooms in various lines including Brookhaven, Omega, Dynasty and then with a custom shop that built at the level of Brookhaven cabinets and for about the same price, but with custom painted solid wood inset doors (only available from Omega for 2x the cost), custom size cabinets in various places etc... We are paying on the order of $400/lin.ft. BTW our allowance from the builder was about 1/3 of what we ended up spending, but I knew up front that he was giving us an entry level price


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RE: Sticker shock on cabinets (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: dmlove on 08.16.2006 at 03:59 pm in Kitchens Forum

I'm sorry you were shocked, but I think your expectations had to have been too low. Those prices are not high for a kitchen, butler's pantry, master bath and full bath, even if you take out the other 2 baths and the laundry room.

My kitchen is also u-shaped with an island, I have a pantry, and also did a master bath and dining room built-in. The total for my KitchenCraft cabinets from was about $21,000 (with glazed finish, and lots of molding and trim). That was about 35% less than the same cabinets from local dealers (similar bids for KitchenCraft, Kraftmaid and Brookhaven), and about 50% less than the local bid for Crystal. If you had said the quotes were for $40,000 or $50,000, then I would have been shocked, but the prices you quoted (assuming this quotes are "all in" - all trim, modlings, pull-outs, etc.), it just doesn't shock me.


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Pendant Lights arrived from CSN Lighting

posted by: julirs on 08.12.2006 at 12:12 am in Kitchens Forum

I am a bit suprised as I ordered them 4 days ago! Free shipping, great search ability, and nice prices!



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RE: Brookhaven Cabinet questions and concerns... (Follow-Up #34)

posted by: maduto on 08.03.2006 at 09:02 pm in Kitchens Forum

Here are some pics of my Brookhaven Edgemont recessed in country stain. I included a close up of the dust strip on the frameless uppers. Hmmmm, I think I need the frig panel!

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I like the sparkle of this backsplash.

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Thanks VerySleepy! (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: ramses_2 on 08.02.2006 at 04:23 pm in Bathrooms Forum

And yes, all the various marbles and onyx came from Stonelocator.(Almost zero breakage, and the quality is fantastic) Frankly, if we had gone with any of the local mainline shops we'd never have been able to afford most of our choices. The white marble cost something like 2.40 a sqft from SL, when we needed more, the local shops price was 28.00 sqft.(And their stones weren't as nice) The wave mosaic that I purchased online from a place in Lebanon was a fraction of what it would have cost locally. The tub from ebay was a little over 2,000...same tub locally was closer to 7,000 dollars. But now I'm babbling:)


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RE: Ramses_2 - You have gorgeous bathrooms! (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: ramses_2 on 08.02.2006 at 04:05 pm in Bathrooms Forum

Lisa, other people have roombas, we have dogbas:)

The shower tower is from Hudson Reed (around 500 dollars), the head on this one is actually a rain head as well, with the hand held being capable of various settings and I believe six body jets. They each work separately, meaning you can not use the body jets while the rain head is activated. I don't know if the really expensive shower towers can operate all at once, but we've found that you probably don't want jets going the same time as a gentle rainhead anyways.

Because this was both a renovation and an addition to an 1840's house we really had to try and do lux on a budget. Instead of spending the lionshare on a tricked out master bath we gave each of the baths a 'feature'. The master had the copper tub, the tumbled marble has the whirlpool shower, the honey onyx actually has an oversized rainhead(wasn't installed in those pics) and the boys room got the shower tower. So now the whole house has a bit of spa pampering for every single bathroom, and the family can pick and choose.

DH balked initially at the shower tower, (it didn't help that the GC kept saying they were pretentious), but it's now DH's favorite bathroom and sometimes he talks about replacing it with a tower with more features.(He won't...but it's a huge seal of approval from him. If he really loves something the engineer in him wants to play with it to make it 'better':))

The boys and I however love it just the way it is.

Lobotome, thank you:)


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RE: Bluestar Scorched Stainless Steel Backguard (Follow-Up #61)

posted by: rococogurl on 08.05.2006 at 10:35 am in Appliances Forum

Here's a pro range installation by Mick DiGiulio, who's a top KD in Chicago. I think it's really smart. Note the stainless lengths of counter to each side of the range, the niche, and the offset cabinets.

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Here's a Clive Christian install on an Aga, another smart way to go IMO. The niche has the tile liner and perhaps you can see the range is on a low plinth.

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There are no musts here and no need to change selections. As someone said, the ranges are approved for home use.

All I'm urging is caution and good sense -- nothing flammable too low, too tight into/over the burners. Stainless can be used for good measure.

I feel both these kitchens are good examples of the right ways to go with powerful ranges.


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RE: Visited cabinet showroom - is this normal? (Follow-Up #35)

posted by: brunosonio on 08.05.2006 at 02:12 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have not been that impressed with Brookhaven also...way overpriced for what it is.

And every cabinet company I went to didn't charge me a design fee or retainer just to get a quote, except for Home Depot's $100, which I refused to pay. And I went everywhere, from super high end to budget lines.

I had designed my own kitchen, had the layout from my computer printed out, and took that to all of the cabinet companies. Some had great service, and spent an hour with me tweaking and refining the general plans to fit their cabinet lines, even making suggestions, and never charged me for the time.

To get an idea of how much markup there must be...I went directly to the manufacturer (Pacific Crest Cabinets, totally custom line, down to 1/16" increments, solid cherry doors, 3/4" MDF boxes, upgraded metal Blum drawers, some cherry interiors, peeled African mahogony doors for the bathroom vanities, and all the extra solid cherry for trim and wrapping for the island). Full 22 x 10 kitchen, island, pantry, and 2 bathrooms of vanities, all with full base unit drawers....all for 15K. All my other quotes were coming in anywhere from 20-30K, some from KD's who sell the same line thru retail.

I even got a local custom company to quote me just the kitchen for 10K. I know everyone has to make a living, and most people don't want to have to design their own kitchens and want the service of a middleman, but when they're making upwards of 50% markup and makes you think.


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RE: Visited cabinet showroom - is this normal? (Follow-Up #34)

posted by: annaleef on 08.05.2006 at 01:25 pm in Kitchens Forum

I don't know how many cabinets you have in your plan, but that seems high for an average size kitchen in the Brookhaven line. I would definitely open up your search beyond this brand to get a better idea of comparative pricing, which appears to be based on how you dressed that day. When we were unhappy with one KD and a second one with the same cabinet line knew about our dissatisfaction, the prices went even higher, as if the 2nd one thought we had no where else to turn.

We got quotes from about 7 different cabinet lines and one custom millwork place. We felt so much better educated when we slowed down the process and did our homework. For less than that pricing, you could have a stunning kitchen from Crown Point Cabinetry, if you like period styles with inset doors.
Actually, you could have beautiful boxes from many other makers with diverse styles, as well. Ours are Signature with a painted finish and are very well made for about $30,000, not including installation. Our Crown Point estimate was $35,000 with a milk paint finish. Our Plain N Fancy estimate was around $34,000. Stained finishes are always less. Good luck - keep shopping!


on kitchen cabinets and pricing
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RE: Brookhaven Cabinet questions and concerns... (Follow-Up #22)

posted by: sigh on 08.03.2006 at 11:17 am in Kitchens Forum

Lowspark- that might have been me with the framed uppers & frameless lowers (and I can barely keep up with my own kitchen). For me it was simple aethetics as I love the look of framed cabinets. Plus (this is just something to think about) on the framed uppers the door hinge is mounted to the face frame whereas with the frameless it's mounted to the interior of the cabinet body and since it sticks out a bit it may interfere with the dishes stacked inside of the cabinet depending on their size. Not a big deal but if you have lots of oversized plates that you visualize filling B'haven's roomy 13" interior with the hinges might get in your way.

Also the dreaded dust strip. The framed cabs don't have the dust strip (or a center stile if they're not too big) but the frameless ones do so be SURE to specify if you don't want them when you order.

One last thing- you do lose about 7/8" interior space top to bottom in the framed uppers as the underside is recessed 7/8". This is a negligible loss and may be a bonus depending on how thin your undercabinet lights are. If they're 7/8" or less they'll be hidden by the cabinet itself & you won't need a light rail.

We didn't panel the dishwasher. Purely aesthetics again as I like my appliances to be visible (plus my husband loathes the whole panelled look). We have an Asko and even though it's yet to be hooked up I've yet to see a fingerprint on it (SS) and my son can't keep his hands off of it.

Good luck!



On cabinets framded and frameless
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Finished Kitchen Pics - Thanks for the help!

posted by: claudia_nj on 07.16.2006 at 10:30 am in Kitchens Forum

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all of your help during this process. I didn't post too many questions but I certainly benefited from reading everyone else's and looking through the finished kitchen's blog. It has been an 8 month process overall including planning. The actual remodel took almost 7 weeks. We re-tiled the foyer and completely remodeled the downstairs kitchen, bath and mudroom. We added a new sliding door in the kitchen where a large picture window used to be. We also removed the soffits in the kitchen and mudroom and extended the cabinets to the ceiling. We also added recessed lighting in all rooms. I purchased almost everything on line so let me know if you have any questions.

Here are some of the details of our kitchen and a link to the pictures:

Cabinets: Cuisine Cabico (beaded inset with off white stain; Natural cherry on island and in mudroom. Mudroom cabinets were framless)
Appliances: Thermador Built-In Fridge
Bosch SHX57 Dishwasher
Lacanche Cluny Range
LG Tromm Washer & Dryer
WasteKing 1HP
Floor: Kitchen is BR111 Brazilian Cherry
Bathroom is Travertine Marble
Mudroom and Foyer are Porcelain Tile
UnderCabinet Lighting: Kichler Xenon UC Series II
Faucets: Kohler K161094ABN Brushed Nickel
Mudroom - American Standard wall faucet
Pot Filler - Blanco
Bathroom - Danze
Sinks: Kitchen - Kohler Dickinson Apron Front
Mudroom - Whitehaus Stainless Steel
Countertops: M. Texteira Soapstone - Mumbai Gray
Bathroom Vanity: DECOLAV from Costco! GREAT deal!
Toilet: Kohler Santa Rosa
Backsplash: Tumbled Marble
Door & Window: Pella Designer Series

Thanks again for all the help!!



This kitchen is pretty much what I was envisioning, I bookmarked it under finished kitchens. the countertops are soapstone and the sink look slike what I was wanting. alas I can't have the lacanche!
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RE: Bluestar Scorched Stainless Steel Backguard (Follow-Up #26)

posted by: capecodcook on 08.02.2006 at 04:59 pm in Appliances Forum

Sleepy: I know in this day of on-line everything, it may be old fashioned, but look in your yellow pages for a sheet metal dealer. They can cut and bend your backsplash for you, you get exactly what you want, and there is no shipping charge! We had a couple of stainless sheets, one 30" wide by 36" high and the other 25" by 36" cut for our gas range, that was installed in a corner, for a total of about $50 it seems to me. As you, we went slightly below the range top and underlapped the hood a bit. Had a little lip bent in the corner edge of one piece so there was no gapping. Faxed the guy a drawing and picked them up a couple of days later.


info on stainless steel backsplash for range.
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RE: my new Kobe range hood inadequate at drawing smoke and steam (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: guadalupe on 07.10.2006 at 08:28 pm in Appliances Forum

I installed a Kobe hood #ch7942 over my 36" Bluestar cooktop with grill (bbq). I am 6" 2" tall and hung the hood 34" off the cooking surface. The hood is 22" deep with 800 cfm. I got smoke. I went to the store where I bought the hood and cooktop and an older gentlemen (salesman) explained that I was too far off the cooking surface reguardless of cfm's. He suggested that I lower the hood to 28" and my problem would go away. I said to him what will I do with the gap left by lowering the hood. He was so sure that he was right that he agreed to supply me with a six inch duct cover to fill the space at no charge. I now have a six inch duct cover at no charge and a hood that works great over my grill.


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Showerhead Shower Head review. Kohler Speakman Hansgrohe Waterpik

posted by: measure_1_cut_2 on 07.18.2006 at 03:00 pm in Bathrooms Forum

This is my first post. I've been trolling around here silently for two years while I got ready for my bathroom renovation, surreptitiously spying on other people's woes and victories.
A few weeks ago I started searching for new showerheads for my third floor shower. I knew I wanted a massage feature, but that's about all I knew. I could not find definitive information about which showerheads were the best, so I went out and bought five of them to give them all the once over. These were the five showerheads with massage features (except the Speakman) which were available off the shelf at the local Home Depot.

This shower is on the third floor and gets water pressure of approximately 42-45 psi (city water. My first floor water pressure is approximately 55-60 psi.
The shower arm is about seven feet up on the wall, spraying down at an angle. I did not remove the water restrictor for any of these heads in order to level the playing field. I figured if a showerhead was good at 2.5 gpm, then that was fine with me.

Below are my testing notes for each of the five units I purchased off the shelf.

1) KOHLER Fairfax multifunction shower head [R12009-C-CP]
Best looking of the bunch. Large chrome finished housing appears twice as expensive as actual cost. Switching between spray settings feels smooth and effortless, even with wet hands. Full coverage spray is the most elegant feeling and has wide coverage second only to be Speakman. Actually feels like a drenching spring rain, with the actual raindrops almost individually perceptible. Aerated setting feels like champagne and sprays relatively straight, without losing height too quickly. Massage is second strongest in the lineup by a small margin. This was the clear winner.

2) WATERPIK pulsating massage fixed-mount shower head [NVC-627 CV(S)]
"Cheapy" chrome and white plastic appearance with baby blue accent.
Very nice full body "combo spray" setting provides almost as much coverage as the Kohler and Speakman. Sensation of droplets hitting your skin is not quite as refined as the Kohler, however. "Center spray" setting provides the absolute best intense stream for quickly washing soap from long hair. No other shower head in the lineup could match it, if this is important to you. Pulsating massage was the strongest in the lineup by a small margin. Turning the adjuster is relatively easy with wet hands, given the smoothness of the mechanism, but it still lacks the finesse of the Kohler. This was my second choice.

3) SPEAKMAN Anystream 6 nozzle [S-2252-AF-BP-HD]
Solid feel and industrial look. Reminds you of taking showers in high school gym. Essentially one spray setting, with ability to slightly soften the stream by turning adjuster very slightly. Turning the adjuster to the full opposite position merely makes water dribble out at the same 2.5 gpm, in an ineffective and unpleasing manner which is not suited for showering. The reason for this setting completely escapes me other than to clean the spray head of sediment. The standard spray setting gives very full coverage but is not particularly pleasing to the skin, with a feeling reminiscent of dull needles rather than supple raindrops. Turning the adjuster is very simple to do with wet hands.

4) HANSGROHE Monsoon Ultimate Turbo3 Massage shower head. [06925005].
Chrome and light gray plastic appearance is somewhat modern but not at all elegant.
Turning the adjuster was by far the hardest of all five models. Very difficult to do with wet hands. In addition, the volume control lever was nearly impossible to turn without unscrewing the shower head from the stem. Plus the volume control was almost useless. The instructions say the volume control is not effective for US locations because of the flow restrictor (removable).
"Drenching" setting was adequate, but only fair compared to top 3 showerheads. "Soft" setting provided marginal champagne sensation without the refinement of the Kohler model. "Turbo3" provided relatively good massage with small coverage, not as good as Waterpik or Kohler.

5) DELTA Shower Supreme "Victorian-style" [75565]
Clearly the worst of the bunch. All chrome appearance is somewhat attractive, though. Turning the adjuster was relatively stiff and somewhat problematic with wet hands. Full spray setting was clearly the weakest of the five, producing a stream not much better than tiny $5 shower heads. Aerated "champagne" stream setting was laughably weak and could not project straight, making it almost impossible to stand beneath the stream without hitting one's back against the wall controls. Massage setting was the weakest of the bunch. Total dud.

Does anyone have similar experience or disagreements?


shower head
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RE: Bill Vincent and others -- more pics if my crooked backsplash (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: grnbaum on 07.24.2006 at 03:26 pm in Kitchens Forum

Thanks for the kind words. The cabinets are stock from Brookhaven -- Edgemont Recessed. The color is lace with an heirloom finish. The countertops are granite -- silver pearl is the color.

Cushie, the square is all the same size (a square!, if that is what you mean).

I'm really happy with the way things turned out. By the way, the dishwasher will be paneled as well.


I like these cabinets, don't know about brookhaven and the "legs" or the toekick isn't htat nice but its a nice look. Its bookmarked somewhere under finished kitchens
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RE: Finally posted photos in gallery! (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: fab40 on 07.21.2006 at 12:00 pm in Home Decorating Forum

natal - Yes, the detached building is another garage to house the tractor and all of the other lawn-care "stuff". It helps to keep our attached garage a little less cluttered and grimey.

The McCormick Moonmist that we used throught the main areas of the house is a very creamy white. You could almost call it an off-white with yellow undertones. The true whites were just a little stark since we have large areas of trim color on the wainscot and built-ins. In the bathrooms we wanted a truer white so we zeroed in on BM White Dove (after lurking on this forum and reading comments about lots of different whites). White Dove is really great - it seems to look nice with warm and cool tones and still has a little warmth while looking clean and crisp. I was worried about the flow from one room to another, but the change in white is very subtle. Good luck with your decision!


on paint colors, check out fab40's kitchen and house.
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Need help with island choices

posted by: beenie130 on 07.20.2006 at 06:32 am in Kitchens Forum

I'm down to the finishing details of my modest kitchen makeover. Here are a few pics of the space...

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The kitchen half of the room is about 8x12 not including the walkway area, 12x12 including walkway. The other half of the kitchen area is the dining area which is roughly the same size.

I could really use some help with a new island. One thing I have decided on is that I want a white island, preferably a distressed white, not exactly the same as the cabinets. I thought about other colors, but decided that white is for me. The top could either be wood or a silestone marble look.

There are two islands I am considering ... One is a Crate and Barrell put together yourself sort of thing. This is the less expensive choice, but it is a bright white.

The other is a custom made island through a company called Camlen Antiques. The white would be more antiqued looking. (here is a link to the one side of it. The other side has an overhang.

Or here is one other option.. a dresser that they can add a wooden top with overhang to... It has a more airy feel because of the legs... (I would get this in distressed white)

Sorry for all the links, I don't know how to link photos other than from photobucket.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!


note to self about color scheme
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RE: Running into a problem with butcher block (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: lagirl99 on 07.19.2006 at 01:37 pm in Kitchens Forum

Jon, I checked on the price of a sink cutout by calling old world butcher block this morning. They charge $75 for a drop-in sink cutout and $175 for an undermount sink cutout. So not too much of an extra charge.

They charge $544 for that size maple countertop, plus $175 for the undermount cutout and $40 for crating and $175 for shipping to my zip code. So for $934 I can definitely get the countertop I want. I wonder if the countertop guy was doing a 100% type of markup with his pricing?

I also went to and asked them for a price quote. I forget her user name, but a wise woman here who does decorating for a living, I believe, recommended them to me earlier this year.

They link to on their site and they recommend the six counts of Waterlox (Tung oil) to waterproof your countertop for usage with a sink.

I've put the Waterlox link below. There are some gorgeous countertops on their site in their gallery.

Here is a link that might be useful: Waterlox


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RE: Granite with whole rock slices in it? (Follow-Up #13)

posted by: sweeby on 07.15.2006 at 01:19 pm in Kitchens Forum

Here's the one I was referring to as 'Black Marinace' - I just love this stone, and plan to use it in our guest bath, which will have kind of a 'salt marsh' theme.


sweeby always has the best ideas!
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RE: Who has a mixer lift that they love? - or don't? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: blsdgal on 06.16.2006 at 08:30 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have the Lee Valley lift that came with my Wood-mode cabinets. I have the Viking mixer and the lift has failed twice. So, KD has ordered another one to replace this one. She says that if this one fails, she will get a different brand.

What happens with mine is that when it is pulled up, the spring fails to engage the lock. It will lock, but only if you do it manually--which is a pain.

Mccall-do you know the brand of the heavy-duty lift that you have? Sounds like that may be just the ticket for me.


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RE: Who has a mixer lift that they love? - or don't? (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: sharon_sd on 05.08.2006 at 06:53 am in Kitchens Forum

I have a large KA mixer and a heavy duty appliance lift from Lee Valley. We installed it in our previous kitchen several years ago and I liked it so well that I designed a bake centre with a place for the mixer lift and another one for the food processor.

The minimum dimensions are: 22 /12 inches from the inside of the cabinet opening at the top to the bottom of the lift in down position, 13 1/2 inches side to side inside the cabinet. Our cabinets have face frames and we were able to have the lift sit 1/2 inch behind the frames on each side making a 12 1/2 inch wide door opening.

These are the brackets we have been using for about 6 years:

Here is a link that might be useful: Lee Valley appliance lifter brackets


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RE: Scherr's cabinets (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: jomarn on 07.03.2006 at 07:57 pm in Kitchens Forum


I'm probably not much help because we only have one cabinet plus one door. First I ordered a white door from Scherr's--quality looked great, but we decided we might want to go with cherry (not because there was anything wrong with the white cabinet, just a design decision). So, we ordered a sample cherry cabinet. Dh put it together. He found that it went together very easily and very well; it took him longer than he'd hoped (maybe 1.5 hours), but I've heard from others on GW that they go much faster after you've done a couple--and dh agrees that would be the case.

The finish quality looks great. I would be surprised if there's ever much damage in shipping, as they are packed really, really well.

I've been working with Leon Scherr on the design of two kitchens (one for the condo we'll live in and one to sell), and he has been great to work with.

Our cabinets won't go into production til the end of August because we don't need them til September, so I can't tell you much more than that, but so far, so good!

A couple of other people on here have used Scherr's; hopefully, someone will chime in. In fact, the kitchen on the Scherr's site with all the detailed pictures is that of a GW poster. He has nothing but praise for Scherr's.

Good luck!


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RE: Faucets: Why do you like yours? (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: maiaa on 07.04.2006 at 12:16 pm in Kitchens Forum

We have two kitchen faucets, both with single handle adjustment. We really like the ease of use of the single handle faucets. We have the Grohe Ladylux Deluxe at the main sink and I like it because of the high arc (you can easily fit a huge pot under it), the long, never-kinking hose that easily reaches all corners of the sink, and the spray/stream toggle switch which stays put until you change it, or turn off the water.

We have the Ladylux Cafe at the prep sink and we also like it. I like this for its smaller arc, as it is more appropriate for the things we do in our prep sink. I like the pull down head because it is so easily manueverable and the button for spray is so easy to use. Again, we really like the long, un-kinking hose because it allows us a much further reach than the previous pull-down faucet we had on that sink.


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RE: Has anyone seen the Sharp microwave drawer? (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: radar on 06.13.2006 at 09:38 am in Appliances Forum

We've been using the Sharp microwave drawer for a couple of months now and we love it. I ended up paying $650 for it when a local dealer matched a Web price. Along with the Viking all-induction cooktop and the tapmaster, it's one of our favorite additions. It's very easy to use. No problems putting things into it or taking them out. It has an LCD display panel on the front that walks you thru many of the operations, making it pretty idiot proof. The hydraulics work smoothly and quickly. No spillage issues when opening/closing the drawer or when taking things out of it. We haven't had to clean the roof of it yet. We're careful to cover things when using it. I took a look at the roof last night in preparation for this report and I don't think cleaning will be an issue at all. The roof is very accessible. Time will tell if it is a reliable unit. For us, it was great being able to put it in the center island.

All that said, we don't have kids. My brother took a look at it and said he'd never get one as long as he had little ones because the unit is too accessible to them. He thinks they'd be pushing the open/close button ad nauseum and putting things in it that don't belong. Also you have to be a certain height to use it and many kids aren't tall enough even when they are mature enough not to treat it like a toy. I'm sure those are valid points for any microwave that's not on or above the counter.



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RE: White Cabinets...opinions...regrets (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: dannytom on 06.29.2006 at 08:50 pm in Kitchens Forum

I have some pictures that I am using for inspiration.I love both of these kitchens
The first is white and bright and yet colorful and not too serious. The second is...lovely.
Neither is exactly what I am thinking, I can see that the doors are very simple. I like that. Also, I want cabinets to the ceiling without a second cabinet.
I worry about choosing the color as we all know white is not just white
What do you think?
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white kitchens that look great
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RE: 48' Side by Side Northland, Sub-Zero or GE Monogram Refrigera (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: nottingham56 on 06.28.2006 at 10:13 am in Appliances Forum

Actually the warranty on the Monogram is is close to the Sub, 2 years on everything, 5 years parts and labor on the sealed refrigeration system and 10 years parts on the refrigeration system, the big difference is the Sub only offers 28.7 cu ft while the Monogram is 30.6 Also, after searching Sub Zero's ARE NOT ENERGY STAR approved. Neither is Northland, while Monogram is. So if energy is the issue, that is something to be considered.

Here is a link that might be useful: Energy Star Website


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RE: Bridge Faucets - Need your opinions (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: velodoug on 06.29.2006 at 10:12 am in Kitchens Forum

We have a Chicago Faucet bridge faucet. It doesn't leak. My DF has a 30 year old Chicago Faucet that doesn't leak either.


important faucett information
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RE: Any Great Deals on White Subway Out There? (Follow-Up #5)

posted by: johnmari on 04.26.2006 at 07:34 pm in Bathrooms Forum

I want some of whatever that tile dealer was smoking... $10/sf for DALTILE subway!? (Which is what you're mixing up with "Dalite".) Ye gods, and I thought the $5/sf the hoity-toity tile dealer near me was asking was bad. Even installed that's a stinkin' ridiculous price.

As Sweeby said, you can order Daltile's "Rittenhouse Square" subway tile through Home Depot for under $3.00/sf for most colors. The Group 1 matte colors (IMO the mattes don't show water spots as much as the glosses do) are the cheapest - I caught a 20%-off-all-special-order-flooring (and they included ALL ceramic tile under flooring, which was odd but fine with me) sale and paid something like $1.89/sf for Matte Almond! Group 4 is the most expensive because the glazes cost more, but it's still very reasonably priced.

Even less expensive but to my admittedly-untutored eye not quite as nice is US Ceramics subway tile, which is on the shelf at most Home Depots and some Lowes but can definitely be special-ordered from either, and usually runs about $15 for a box of 12.5 sf of tile but I've seen it on sale for $9.95. I don't think the glazing is as nice - pinprick bubbles and unevenness - and the tile itself just feels a little on the chintzy side since it's thinner than Daltile. Lowes sells American Olean which is another good brand (actually the same company as Daltile), but I didn't find them to be any cheaper than the independent tile stores; AO's subway tile is called "Greenwich Village" and to me looks absolutely identical to the Daltile, but more expensive. I'd only spend the extra money to get a color that you can't get from Dal.

If I were you I'd splurge a little bit on a nicer tile for your backsplash and go more generic on the bathrooms, since unless you have a really massive kitchen you don't need that much for the backsplash and you get a pretty big bang for your buck. Ask around at your local tile stores to see if they have "remnant rooms" at their warehouses - I found some SERIOUS bargains that way.

Bill - Maybe you should have a "tile garage sale". ;-) Advertised on Craigslist and in Uncle Henry's you'd probably get a pretty good turnout!


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RE: Six holes at sink way too many? What to eliminate? (Follow-Up #8)

posted by: seekingadvice on 04.25.2006 at 12:30 pm in Kitchens Forum

Oh, I can answer this one. Six holes will be absolutely fine. I am going to disagree with many of the above posters, too!

First of all, you will indeed use the instant hot for cleaning purposes, although if you don't really want it for food and beverage uses (soups, cereal, cocoa, etc) then it could be eliminated pretty easily. I use mine constantly, many times a day, and only a small portion of those uses involve making coffee in my French press (once/day).

Second, david_cary is right - the air switch is not visually the same as the other sink accoutrements. It really doesn't show much.

Third, the P&R bridge faucet with sidespray is awesome. I highly disagree with it david_cary on that one. The sidespray is incredible and I personally prefer the look to a pullout or pulldown.

Fourth, cleaning isn't a hassle.

Now, the reason I know all this is because I have a nearly identical setup. I was nervous about all of the holes in my granite so I left out the soap dispenser. I wish I'd gone ahead and drilled another hole for one. I have a large nickel soap dispenser on the counter. After having used the built-in kind in my pantry, I would much prefer that in the kitchen, too, and it would not be as bulky.

I think it looks nice, though some have referred to such arrangements as a "nickel/chrome forest." I find that term hilarious.

Here's my nickel forest.

Here is a link that might be useful: nickel forest closeup


information on sink faucetts, great picture of a wonderful set up.
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