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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #22)

posted by: odinthor on 08.29.2014 at 12:51 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I like 'J.E. Murphy's Pink Tea' (which may be 'Mme. Emilie Charrin'). It has a perfectly healthy and vigorous plant, good leaves, and a flower of a decided pink color with a form which is both pretty and distinctive. Recommended.

My 'Second Street Tea' is taking its sweet time to make anything of itself; but early this year, it started to show some interest in growing, so we'll see. The plant is not yet large enough for me to trust how representative the flowers it has are; but, as of yet, they're a warm light pink, and full of petals.

'Arcadia Louisiana Tea' is wonderfully happy in my garden--healthy, vigorous, bloomy, and beautiful. The flower color is essentially a chalky pink, which doesn't sound as attractive as it is. The bush is about six and a half feet tall, and thickly foliaged. It would dominate that area of the garden if it weren't for an extremely vigorous 'Faberge', which is just as tall, and, by its orange color, distracts from 'Arcadia Louisiana Tea'. I think 'Faberge' is an outstanding rose, indeed one of the very best; but I wish I had planted it elsewhere (it wasn't supposed to be so tall!). But no way am I moving a big, healthy, happy rose...

Like 'Second Street Tea', my 'Florence Bowers' is a little slow getting started; but, that said, it did put out this year a good, if slender, six-foot cane, more like one would expect of a climber than of a regular Tea. The plant is young, so I can't really say much about the flowers; but it seems to bloom in flushes rather than anything like continuously.


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: catspa on 08.22.2014 at 04:37 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I grew Windsor Tea for several years, Kippy, and was not taken with it. The plant was small and slow-growing (an appreciated trait for teas around here!), but the blossoms were so weak-necked and droopy that you were always looking down at the backs of the flowers (which were nice enough) and not their faces and it was not likely to grow tall enough to remedy that. It also got a fair amount of PM.


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: ingrid_vc on 08.22.2014 at 12:45 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I'd forgotten that I had Second Street Tea because it was such an unsatisfactory rose, never really growing and hardly ever blooming. I gave it away and it fared no better in its new home. Ley's Perpetual died not long after I bought it as a band, which is probably my fault.

I had McClinton Tea twice, as a free rose the second time, and I'm sorry to say that I considered it one of the worst-looking roses I'd ever had. Someone else on the forum likened its flowers to scrambled eggs and I have to agree. I'm glad it looks better elsewhere, and it must have something I didn't see since several nurseries offer it.

Angel's Camp Tea was a very pretty rose but fried very quickly in the heat, and I substituted Le Vesuve, but I wish now I had kept it for longer in hopes that it might have improved.



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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: catspa on 08.22.2014 at 09:59 am in Antique Roses Forum

Angel's Camp Tea was a martyr to mildew here with no excuse, since it occupied a prime location in the garden. Gone.

I really liked McClinton Tea but sadly lost it after just a few years when the bed it was in became infected with oak root fungus originating from an old stump. Its leaves were healthy and I thought Vintage's description of the flowers opening like water lilies was apt -- very charming. It is one that I will grow again.


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: jerijen on 08.21.2014 at 11:36 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Manchester guardian Angel is a climber of somewhat epic proportions. Foliage was perfect. Blooms small, but lovely, and in big numbers, but with an amplitude of huge, vicious prickles.


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: ingrid_vc on 08.21.2014 at 07:23 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I'd forgotten that Miss Atwood is a found tea. A fast grower, as brittie has pointed out, which has looked ratty for some time, probably from lack of rain, worse than some of the other teas. I'm trying to bring it back with extra care but it hasn't been impressed by my efforts so far.

Next to it is Hoag House Cream, a one stick, 12 inch-affair on which I've seen one bloom, but it is a young rose, and I've found the older hybrid teas are not the easiest to care for in my spartan conditions. I remain hopeful.

Bermuda Spice I would not grow again; for much of the year the flowers are small, pale and insignificant. Bermuda Kathleen might be lovely in a good location, but mine is planted in a hellish place against a hot hillside and I'm amazed it's still alive. It was gorgeous for about five minutes in spring.



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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: catspa on 08.21.2014 at 07:00 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Rock Hill Peach Tea and Thomasville Old Gold mildewed badly and are no longer here.

Hoag House Cream is actually a hybrid tea and has that habit, being a bit stiff, upright and bare-legged, not to mention thorny, but its leaves are very healthy (though susceptible to sunburn in heat waves) and the flowers are wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

I love Westside Road Cream Tea. It is the best of bloomers, repeating very quickly with large flushes. Twiggy growth and fully clothed to the ground, with healthy leaves except for a touch of PM early on that is not noticeable unless you really look. Not a rampageous grower; now maybe 4' tall and 5' wide after 6 or 7 years with little pruning.

Arcadia Louisiana Tea I also love (nearly as big as Mrs. B.R. Cant, good bloomer that I am glad I planted up a hill because the heavy blooms nod so much that they are best viewed from below) as well as Le Pactole (nice and healthy all around and another good bloomer).


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: jerijen on 08.21.2014 at 06:25 pm in Antique Roses Forum

Smith's Parish (thought by many to be Robert Fortune's 'Five-Colored Rose' --

In character, this has always seemed to me to be more China-like than Tea-like ... but for the size of the plant. If allowed to, "Smiths Parish" can be about the size of a VW Bus.

It blooms profusely through most of the year, and in the decades it has grown here, it has never had any disease. I saw it in TX, growing at the end of a long row of 'Mutabilis.' All of the Mutabilis were defoliated by blackspot, while "Smith's Parish" remained impeccably clean. The different blooms do not mingle on a branch. Rather, each occupies a different part of the plant.

Mother Dudley mildews here for me. Sort of reminds me of Cels Multiflora . . .

The Found Teas I most admire are 'Le Pactole' and "Jesse Hildreth" (which is not in commerce).


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RE: Found Tea Roses: Your Favorites and Experiences (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: brittie on 08.21.2014 at 05:56 pm in Antique Roses Forum

I have Puerto Rico, Rock Hill Peach Tea, Trinity, Miss Atwood, Mother Dudley, Smith's Parish and Red Smith's Parish.

Miss Atwood: This is the one I have had the longest. Oh, I love her. Beautiful peach colored blooms on a very fast growing plant. No disease problems that I recall, and in mild winters, it blooms all year. The large plant in my former garden died when I dug it out to move, and I replaced it this year for the new garden. I wouldn't be without it.

Trinity: My plant is currently about five feet wide by three feet tall, and blooms continuously. In the heat though, those blooms are pretty small and unimpressive. No disease at all, and has a nice full, shrubby habit with nice foliage.

Puerto Rico: This one is new to me. I received it as a band last August, and is currently five feet tall and about three feet wide. It's pretty sparsely foliated, but is blooming right now, though again, the flowers are unimpressive. I don't recall it getting blackspot in June when the disease was making its way around the garden. My general impression is, I like this rose. I suspect though, that it wasnts to be very large in my climate, because it has the gawky, open canes of young teas. In that case, it may be planted in the wrong place.

Mother Dudley/ Rock Hill Peach Tea- These two are so similar for me, that I really can't tell them apart yet. Peachy-pink flowers that turn pale and small in the heat. Still small, shrubby 2 ft tall babies. No disease.

Smith's Parish/ Red Smith's Parish- Also still small. No disease, small heat afflicted flowers the size of a nickle.


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RE: The most impractical piece of rose advice you've ever gotten (Follow-Up #93)

posted by: roseseek on 06.26.2012 at 05:11 pm in Roses Forum

Buckwild, Teas and Hybrid Teas can be quite different, much of the time, but there can be great overlap. Hybrid Teas were bred from Teas and their hybrids. Add the conditional versus genetic classification to add to the confusion and there is going to be MUCH for "the nit pickers" to take exception to in what I'm about to offer. This is the "Reader's Digest" version, meant only to help simplify an extremely complicated issue for illustration.

Generally, Teas arose from Gigantea and Odorata hybrids. Hybrid Teas arose from crossing the Teas and early Tea Hybrids with European Hybrid Perpetuals, which arose from the Old European Garden Roses (Bourbons, Damasks, etc.) Teas require thick, old wood to perform and live many generations. Hybrid Perpetuals generally require hard pruning to replenish themselves and produce the size, profusion and quality of bloom they were selected for. Often, Teas are less cold hardy than Hybrid Perpetuals and many Hybrid Teas. Teas tend to be more evergreen than either of the other two classes. Teas were valued for the softness of their coloring and high-centered bloom shape as well as their ability to flower nearly continuously. Hybrid Perpetuals had more bull nosed, rounded bloom shapes and many flowered well in spring with little to no repeat later in autumn. It wasn't until the latter half of the Nineteenth to early Twentieth Century that the Royal National Rose Society had an autumn show because the roses of the day didn't reliably repeat their bloom.

Teas tend to be more spreading, with weaker, longer peduncles causing the blooms to "nod" or hang downward. HPs tend to have stronger, shorter peduncles which hold the flowers more upright. Crosses between the Teas and HPs resulted in more upright plants with generally stronger peduncles, more upright flowers with higher, more pointed centers. The deeper, richer colors of the HPs were blended with the high-centered form of the Teas. The "Tea scent" generally gave way to much of the Damask and other scents of the HPs and Bourbons.

Teas and very early HTs are often difficult to root where the HPs and those which lean more toward that side of the family, are generally easier and faster to root. Teas can be devilishly slow to start as own root plants, where those which tend more toward the HP side generally root faster and produce sturdier, faster developing own root plants. Teas were more likely to be afflicted with mildew. The HP side more likely to be afflicted by rust and black spot. Combine the Foetida influence which was considerable at the beginning of the Twentieth Century, and the disease issues were exacerbated.

Often, HTs will lean toward the Tea side of the family in performance and expressed traits. You have late Teas which are classed as Teas, but are more likely early HTs, such as Lady Hillingdon. She looks and acts like a Tea, but is reportedly far more cold hardy than is usual for the class. Sometimes, a HT will lean more toward the HP side of the family, such as Frau Karl Druschki and Symphony (Weigand, 1935). They look more like HPs but are genetically, by breeding, HTs.

Teas are more like Mons. Tillier, G�n�ral Schablikine, Devoniensis, etc. Hybrid Teas are more Peace, Double Delight, Brandy, etc. Hybrid Tea flowers can be easily imagined by thinking of a dozen, long stemmed florist roses.

You have those who classify the plant by how it looks and performs. "If it quacks like a duck, it IS a duck!" You also have those who classify the rose genetically. If it is a cross of two Teas with no Old European Garden Rose contained in it, the plant is a Tea. Take a Tea and cross it with a Hybrid Perpetual, then no matter what it looks like or how it performs, it is a Hybrid Tea. Symphony is classed as a HP because it looks, grows and performs like one, but it is a cross of a Hybrid Tea by what is classed as an HP (but which is by breeding, a Hybrid Tea). When registering a rose, it is up to the person filling in the information as to what the rose should be registered as. From a gardener's perspective, it would be far more beneficial for the "quacks like a duck" classification to be used. If you're expecting a Queen Elizabeth plant and flower and you receive a Lady Hillingdon performing plant, you aren't going to be satisfied. See where much of the confusion comes from?

If you live in a shorter growing season, harder, longer winter season climate, HTs may do OK for you where Teas probably wouldn't. If you live along the coast here in SoCal or in the Gulf States, Teas may be more suited to your climate than many HTs. Generally, HTs are going to have longer lasting flowers for many climates. They are available in many more colors than Teas, as well as many more sizes, types, habits and scents. If you're looking for cut flowers which can last up to two weeks in a vase, some HTs are usually the way to go. If you're looking for more of the "Old South" look, Teas are it.

Generally, if you live in a colder climate where winter protection is an issue, avoid those which are advertised as "resents hard pruning" as they will be problems to cover and protect from frost and snow. There are many qualifiers and conditions and none of this is absolute, as is true of most of roses and gardening in general. I hope it helps give you a bit better idea of how Teas and HTs are related, how they can have similarities and what their differences can be. Kim


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