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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #37)

posted by: luv2putt on 06.19.2012 at 03:39 pm in Appliances Forum

when your range is totally cleaned up before your food is finished cooking and served !!!!

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #35)

posted by: Ginny20 on 06.18.2012 at 12:05 pm in Appliances Forum

the air conditioner breaks, temp's in the 80's, and you're having guests for dinner, but you can still cook because it won't heat up the kitchen.

a2gemini - Let us know how that griddle does. I need one, too.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #34)

posted by: mojavean on 06.17.2012 at 09:11 pm in Appliances Forum

You attract swarms of horny bumblebees every time you make an omelet.

You have to call in scientists from CERN to analyze your "boil patterns."

Your Gramma's old cast-iron griddle shrieks in horror on pancake day.

You honestly know what Sil-Pat is.

And, to be fair:

You have the most efficient, most responsive and temperature-steady means of cooking known to human-kind short of psychic barbecue which is not widely available.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #33)

posted by: mtc1 on 06.17.2012 at 07:43 pm in Appliances Forum

You have Thermador gas range but you and your husband wait in line to use the portable induction unit you got from Williams Sonoma!

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #32)

posted by: plllog on 03.18.2012 at 11:58 pm in Appliances Forum

...you say, yes, of course I'm putting the glass bowl down on the cooktop--it's not on the hot part.

(I did broil some peppers today, for the soup, and they did get charred, though not as thoroughly as on a flame. As Westsider said, that's what the rest of the appliances are for...)

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Charring? not a big deal (Follow-Up #31)

posted by: westsider40 on 03.18.2012 at 09:50 pm in Appliances Forum

you realize that charring can be done in either of your two broilers or on your back porch Weber. It is so not a big or often, deal. How often do you char, really?

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oh, yes (Follow-Up #29)

posted by: westsider40 on 03.18.2012 at 09:33 pm in Appliances Forum

you don't need the romance of flames to cook evenly, powerfully and with military precision.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #28)

posted by: westsider40 on 03.18.2012 at 09:22 pm in Appliances Forum

You are never too tired to clean up after dinner. Swish, all done.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #27)

posted by: AnnaA on 03.18.2012 at 08:52 pm in Appliances Forum

... You see, perhaps for the 1st time, how much energy gas stovetops waste.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #25)

posted by: plllog on 03.17.2012 at 08:49 pm in Appliances Forum

...you turn the power down to brown meat.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #23)

posted by: plllog on 03.17.2012 at 06:07 pm in Appliances Forum

...when watched pots do boil. Fast.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #21)

posted by: suburbanmd on 03.17.2012 at 11:37 am in Appliances Forum

...cooking no longer means "slaving over a hot stove".

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #20)

posted by: AnnaA on 03.16.2012 at 11:50 pm in Appliances Forum

...love NOW means never having to say you're sorry for using electric!

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #18)

posted by: plllog on 03.16.2012 at 06:36 pm in Appliances Forum

...your friends and neighbors are impressed by your ability to boil water.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #17)

posted by: weedmeister on 03.16.2012 at 05:49 pm in Appliances Forum

...you have a portable propane grill strictly for grilling chilis.

... you use a Bic for Flambe's.

... you gave your mom all the ceramic cookware.

... your MIL says "I'll let you cook since you seem to enjoy it more than me."

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #16)

posted by: mojavean on 03.16.2012 at 01:02 am in Appliances Forum

No matter how long you roast your chiles they still won't peel.

You have mastered the technique of "Flambe of the Mind."

Your old "Visions" cookware dies of loneliness.

Your Mother in law calls you at the theater to announce that the burners on your stove won't get hot.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #15)

posted by: lalitha on 03.16.2012 at 12:11 am in Appliances Forum

Your relatives and friends are suddenly getting *gently used* previously treasured calphalon and aluminum based cookware.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #13)

posted by: plllog on 03.15.2012 at 09:44 pm in Appliances Forum

...you keep a Bic lighter by the stove for lighting birthday candles, and it never blows up.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #14)

posted by: AnnaA on 03.15.2012 at 11:19 pm in Appliances Forum

Every purse and bag you own is packing magnets.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: kashmi on 03.15.2012 at 09:30 pm in Appliances Forum

... your very undisciplined, counter-surfing dog licks the spills on the cooktop right after you finished cooking.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: dodge59 on 03.15.2012 at 08:32 pm in Appliances Forum

You pour some water in a pan.
You set the hob to on, but at the lowest setting.
You leave it there for 4 hours.
Then you remove the pan, and immediately drinks the
water , "Straight from the pan"! (Carefull not to spill any).

Gary

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #7)

posted by: plllog on 03.15.2012 at 03:32 pm in Appliances Forum

...you get nervous about leaving the potholder next to the pot because it might get dripped on, not because it might catch fire.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: AnnaA on 03.15.2012 at 02:23 pm in Appliances Forum

The pan is ready before you are.

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #3)

posted by: lalitha on 03.15.2012 at 02:37 am in Appliances Forum

You show off to friends by offering them tea.. "it will only take a jiffy... Here you go"

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RE: You know you have induction when... (Follow-Up #2)

posted by: plllog on 03.15.2012 at 01:23 am in Appliances Forum

...you set a pan on the heat to season and totally forget it, but your pan is fine because the cooktop got tired of waiting for you and turned itself off.

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You know you have induction when...

posted by: plllog on 03.14.2012 at 10:42 pm in Appliances Forum

...you turn off the stove when you've just started a pot of pasta water to go to the bathroom because it might boil over before you get back.

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RE: Picked appliances - I am stuck with the hood decision - need (Follow-Up #4)

posted by: kaseki on 03.30.2013 at 09:23 pm in Appliances Forum

The air flow rate (cfm) required is not a function of the BTU rating (unless it is too low to cook anything). It is a function of the need to contain the uprising effluent. The rough requirement for CFM is 60 s/min times the product of the effluent velocity (~ 3 ft/s), the aperture area collecting the effluent (sq. ft), and some efficiency factor accounting for aerodynamic effects at the baffles (maybe 0.5). (Note that for flush mesh filters the area is the size of the mesh times the effective clear area ratio, something not so easy to account for, particularly for complex mesh structures.)

Further, the CFM calculated above should be the actual CFM achieved. Hood and duct transitions, baffle friction, duct friction, house negative pressure due to imperfect MUA will cause the hood blower to move less air than it is rated for. People who have lived with recirculating hoods, or OTR microwave oven ventilation, or the poser kitchens widely published in the media that have no ventilation, will be able to get away with less flow and still be ahead of where they were.

The aperture has to be large enough to capture the expanding uprising effluent. Expansion half angle varies around 22.5 degrees from every point on the pan surface hot enough to cook and generate water and grease vapor. The hood aperture should overhang the locus of these projected points at the planned height of the hood.

kas

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RE: Blower Recommendation for Wolf Pro Island Hood (Follow-Up #10)

posted by: kaseki on 11.23.2007 at 07:08 pm in Appliances Forum

Actually, the good stuff in those articles, once one converts from metric to more common units used in US HVAC description, is the effluent velocity, volume rate, and expansion angle. Of significance are the heating efficiencies of the burner types, and the adjustment factors for the equation - widely used in Europe apparently - for finding the cfm vs height above the cooktop, heating power in the plume, hydraulic diameter, etc.

The hood system has to capture, contain, and evacuate. Capture requires that the hood overhang the expanding effluent plume, which expands at about a 7-degree half angle. Contain means that the stuff not curl in the hood and come back out. That is partly determined by hood design, but also by air velocity keeping the effluent velocity from being redirected. Having a cfm high enough that the air velocity at the entrance to the hood be as high as that of the effluent velocity should be plenty, possibly overkill unless the airflow is easily disturbed from movement in the room or replacement air velocity being too high near the hood. Flow around the edges of the hood vs. the lower effluent velocity at the edges of the plume can be a factor in adjusting the velocity requirement. And evacuation results from having a cfm at least that of the effluent and generally more to meet the containment velocity requirement.

kas

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RE: Blower Recommendation for Wolf Pro Island Hood (Follow-Up #12)

posted by: kaseki on 11.25.2007 at 06:03 pm in Appliances Forum

PART 2

We next consider using a 34-inch by 48-inch Wolf hood to provide adequate overlap of the plume to handle expansion in the hood and plume deviations due to air disturbances in the kitchen. The diameter of the plume at one meter is shown in the papers to be under 34 inches.

The actual entrance area of the Wolf Pro Island Hood of these dimensions is unknown to this author. There appears to be a slight return on the edges of the hood, and there are switches inside one edge. We guess that the actual entrance area is 10 square feet. (32 in by 46 in is 10.22 sq.ft.)

300 cfm divided by 10 sq. ft. leads to an average air velocity at the hood entrance of 30 ft/min. However, interpolating the results for the induction range in the part 2 article, the peak velocity of the plume studied was 0.66 m/s or 130 ft/min. This will vary with cooking temperature, but we are using a average over the cooktop so it shouldn't be too far off.

What happens when a plume with a nominal Gaussian velocity distribution and central velocity of 130 ft/min enters a hood with an average intake velocity of 30 ft/min? The plume reaches to top of the hood and the higher velocity part spills downward. It is unlikely it will all reach 30 ft/min and be perfectly captured before some of it spills out.

If the entire hood entrance were provided an average airflow of 130 ft/min to ensure capture without any roiling, then the cfm required would be 1300 at the hood entrance. The roof fan that could achieve this would likely be rated 2000 cfm at zero static pressure. Probably (we hope), 1300 cfm is overkill because much of the plume is well under 130 ft/min.

[handwaving begins]
If we assume that the baffle entrances are 40% of the hood aperture, and consider that the roiling plume has to pass close to baffle entrances with airflows thus 2.5x that of the average, then a 600 cfm average airflow would yield baffle edge air velocities of 2.5 x 60 or 150 ft/min. This might be enough for sufficient capture. Here we are hoping that spilling effluent is slowed down and is drawn into the higher speed baffle entrances before any can leak out of the hood and contribute to kitchen odor.
[end handwaving]

Wolf recommends for a 36-inch induction cook-top a 600 cfm fan. This is fan cfm at zero static pressure, so they are likely actually expecting somewhat less at the hood, maybe 400.

We would choose 600 real cfm for this case to be safe and use a nominal 900 cfm roof fan to obtain it (pending analysis of all the pressure losses involved). This rate will be higher than needed for many cooking conditions, but the roof fan can always be turned down. Running at reduced power reduces noise, and beats kicking oneself for not having enough power when the need arises.

Schlieren photography of this hood and cook-top combination (or a very elaborate computational fluid dynamics analysis) would be needed to determine the true minimum cfm that ensures full capture and containment.

kas

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RE: Blower Recommendation for Wolf Pro Island Hood (Follow-Up #11)

posted by: kaseki on 11.25.2007 at 05:17 pm in Appliances Forum

The following is an example calculation pitting a nominal Diva induction cook-top against a Wolf Pro Island Hood. As the reader will find, some hand-waving is needed to close on a required cfm.

PART 1

We need two conversion factors:

To get ft/min from m/s, multiply by 197
To get cfm from m^3/s, multiply by 2119

First, we look at what the induction cook-top effluent plume characteristics are.

We assume that the entire 9.6 kW maximum power output of the Diva 36-inch cook-top is being used, and that the pan configuratin is such that the heated surfaces have the same area as the cook-top. The first assumption is unlikely and hance conservative, and the second has only a second order effect on the result.

Using the methods of the referenced papers, we can find that the hydraulic diamter D_h is 0.64m. We want a hood that is over our head, so we choose 1-m height about the cook-top. (Higher means larger cfm.) Of the 9.6 kW output by the Diva, only 6% heats the air per the referenced experiments. Hence the convective heating is 0.576 kW.

We use the equation:

q_v = 0.05*((z + a D_h)^5/3 * phi^1/3)

where a is 1.7, z is 1m, and phi is 0.576 kW

(The papers use a coefficient of 0.05 in one place, and 5 in another, and claim phi is in watts but their tabulated results require phi to be in kW.)

Solving the equation and converting to cfm leads to 300 cfm in the convective plume from all 5 hobs.

continued below

kas

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RE: Facts about Granite Slab Quality Variables (Follow-Up #9)

posted by: SaraKat on 02.04.2013 at 07:13 am in Kitchens Forum

Thanks very much oldryder, that's the information I've been needing. I thought this was the problem.

The supplier granite yard is out of business and the fabricator although it was one of their suppliers says there is nothing they can do about it.

The only reason we are looking at replacing is that we have the problem with shedding, the awful feel of this stone that feels dirty and like it is covered with tiny pepper grains no matter how many times I wipe it down. It snags my dish cloth and the sink recently cracked and has to be replaced. The sink is a mystery as to why that happened.

Thank you so very much I will check in to the Hydro Shield and hopefully it will make it more tolerable. The island is the worst thank goodness since we could just replace that to keep down the cost. I really wasn't planning on an expense like this coming up this soon! It hasn't even been a year yet. The granite fabricator gave me a replacement price for new granite of $4500 which is the same as we paid for the original granite and it was supposed to be their super discounted price ....sigh. Live and learn, thank you very much again.

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