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F1 stability/reliability question

posted by: nugrdnnut on 10.13.2014 at 11:49 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

I was thinking about the discussions about F1, F2, ... but I haven't read about "stable" or "reliable" F1 hybrids.

How does the seed supplier know that the F1 seed (say Sun Gold) will produce the Sun Gold tomato and not a tomato exhibiting more of one of the parents features rather than the expected F1 tomato?

I hope this thought and question makes sense.

Replies are appreciated.

Regards,
Tom

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clipped on: 10.25.2014 at 10:28 pm    last updated on: 10.25.2014 at 10:28 pm

Time to Evaluate 2014 Picks and Zaps

posted by: seysonn on 08.26.2014 at 01:17 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Now that the season is over the hump, maybe we should have a pretty good idea on WHAT TO KEEP and WHAT TO ZAP.

My ZAP candidates are :
--1- Stupice : not so early, fruits have been too small and inconsistant. Some are the size of cherry.
--2- Mortgage Lifter (RC): Fruits too small, ugly, plant tooo huge
--3- Siberian : I was expecting it to do well in our PNW climate. But so far no ripe fruits. (90 + days !)
-4-- Green Zebra: With small size fruits, nothing ripe yet (90 + days !)
-5-- Stripy... Nothing ripe yet.
--6---Early Treat: A Burpee Hybrid. I like Matina better.

KEEPERS:
---- Japanese Black Trifele. Good taste and color
----- Chrokee Purple ; A classic
---- Ananas Noire : Good taste, nice multi colo
---- Siletz ( Very Early, large fruits 4 to 6oz), compact determinat
--- Bloody Butcher (very early, prolific)
---Matina: Not as early but prolific, nice round red
--- Bush Steak: Determinat, Good producer, Medium size tomatoes.
___ Husky red : Bush type. A producer and space saver.
--- Sun Gold: Best Cherry ever.
---- Silvery Fir Tree: Bush type, Ornamental, det. So far just one flush.

I am looking forward to add:

--- Lemon Boy or Lemony
--- Brandy Boy
--- Kellogg's Breakfast
--- Replacement for Green Zebra that has shorter DTM

How about your choices ?

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clipped on: 10.25.2014 at 10:27 pm    last updated on: 10.25.2014 at 10:27 pm

RE: How's the weather ? (2014) [Part II] (Follow-Up #1)

posted by: seysonn on 10.07.2014 at 08:48 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Daniel, as expected , talking about weather has been as popular as ever. As the saying goes :

Weather: We can talk about but cannot do a thing about it.

That is fine. But we can learn how to cope and deal with it when it comes to gardening.

OK, here is our 10 days forecast. As you can see, it is going to cool off....and lots of rain ... typical PNW fall weather. But luckily there is no frost in the horizon ,YET>


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clipped on: 10.25.2014 at 10:19 pm    last updated on: 10.25.2014 at 10:19 pm

How's the weather ? (2014) [Part II]

posted by: Daniel_NY on 10.07.2014 at 01:34 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Says GardenWEB in How's the weather ? thread:

> Please Note: This thread has reached the upper limit for the number follow-ups allowed (150). If you would like to continue this discussion, please begin a new thread using the form on the main forum page.

Oooooook, so here is the new thread: How's the weather ? (2014) [Part II]

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clipped on: 10.25.2014 at 10:07 pm    last updated on: 10.25.2014 at 10:18 pm

tomatoes for ketchup (zone 4B)

posted by: ukulele01 on 10.25.2014 at 05:53 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Hello everyone. This is my first post. After buying a hobby farm last year I am getting serious about gardening and growing food for the family. This was my first year and I had a good crop of nursery purchased hybrids, some of which I made into ketchup. I had never made ketchup before and can't get over how good it is compared to store bought. But I would like to get into OP varieties. I am looking for plants on the small side, to grow in my 4'x4' raised beds. I am also looking for excellent flavor, ability to grow well in cool, often wet summers, in zone 4B. Color should be red, or possibly pink, but shape does not matter. I am wondering if some more experienced gardeners could offer some suggestions? Thank you in advance.

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clipped on: 10.25.2014 at 10:06 pm    last updated on: 10.25.2014 at 10:06 pm

Show off your tomato "jungle" !

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.30.2014 at 10:19 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Looks like A LOT of people here in this forum do NOT prune AT ALL.

This year I pruned, but next year I plan not to prune at all.

Before taking that decision I would like to see some tomato "jungles" - because I think not pruning means that the tomatoes look somehow like a little "jungle."

I'm interested to see how high the vines grow, crop yield, size of the tomatoes- so I can prepare solid supports - trellises - for my next year' tomatoes.

So please, post pictures of those sprawled tomatoes.

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clipped on: 10.24.2014 at 02:28 pm    last updated on: 10.24.2014 at 02:28 pm

Late season tomatoes ripped BEFORE early season tomatoes

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.25.2014 at 01:20 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Gregory123 wrote in the Lesson(s) you've learned this year thread:

> What a weird year it has been this year, I have been picking a few Brandywines, Neves, Golden Queen before most of my short season Determinates like Bush Beafsteak and several others. In fact I picked a Brandwine way ahead of New Big Dwarf which is now coming on strong.

Now, my experience: this year a tried a few early tomatoes: Fourth Of July, Early Girl, Early Wonder, Stupice...

They were not early AT ALL. Fourth of July (1.7 oz) - DTM 49 days - ripped at the end of July, only few days before a big Rose tomato (21 oz.) - DTM 78 !!! days - and a Mortgage Lifter (11 oz.) - DTM 85 !!! days. The other "EARLY's" were even worse.

What the heck is going on ?

This post was edited by Daniel_NY on Mon, Aug 25, 14 at 13:32

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:35 am

2014 Best

posted by: bigpinks on 07.17.2014 at 02:55 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

In my mostly clay soil garden:

1. Bearclaw.....fruit by fruit the largest I have ever grown and very prolific also.

2, Cherokee Purple....what more can be said? Makes loads of med to large great tasting tomatoes.

3. Big Beef ..everything its been cracked up to be and more

4. Hillbilly ..very nice sweet fruit and it sets better than Mr Stripey

I also have three cherries and all I know for sure is that this yr Choc Cherry is doing better than Black Cherry did the past two seasons. Havent eaten enough SunGold or Sweet Million yet.

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am

pruning recommendations

posted by: SayPoint on 01.18.2004 at 07:51 pm in Garden Restoration Forum

My little cottage has some vines that need pruning. Any suggestions? ;p

Here is a link that might be useful: cottage

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am

Pick The Best Tomatoe in each Category

posted by: greenthumbzdude on 07.28.2014 at 07:41 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

1. Best tasting
2. Most productive
3. Earliest producer
4. Largest
5. Ugliest
6. Tallest (plant)
* feel free to add more categories

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:34 am

Where do you get your seeds from?

posted by: momofsteelex3 on 06.12.2013 at 11:00 am in Oklahoma Gardening Forum

I am just looking for some suggestions on where to order seeds. I was looking at Bakers Creek, Territorial, American Meadows. I am looking for certain flower seeds, I would like to start thinking about a Purple Cherokee, different beets as the Detroit beets I have didn't do well..Mostly right now I am looking for flower seeds. I ordered a catalog from Territorial but its been weeks and it has yet to show up.

My goal is to have a beautiful flower garden, one that is always in bloom, and I am learning the best way to do it is seeds.

TIA!
Bre

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:33 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:33 am

Early Tomatoes?

posted by: BarryandMarcia on 10.05.2014 at 04:37 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Hi,

It seems that every growing season I get lots of tomatoes - but they are limited to a two or three week period (generally in August). What I would like, instead, is to get tomatoes over a longer period, ideally for most of the summer. I have tried a couple of so-called "early" varieties but they turned out to not be early at all. Do you know of any truly early varieties? (To make my request even tougher - I only want "determinate" varieties as I have no room for the indeterminate ones and I only want to use untreated seeds.) We are in central NJ (Zone 6) Thanks.

This post was edited by BarryandMarcia on Sun, Oct 5, 14 at 18:25

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:33 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:33 am

Best Tasting & Easily Grown Tomatoes

posted by: aloha2009 on 03.12.2012 at 04:19 pm in Rocky Mountain Gardening Forum

I'm new to the vegetable garden world and would like to tip toe into the world since my first love is flowers, flowers, and more flowers.

At this point, I'd like to purchase a plant (no seed), so I realize my options will be more limited. Of the tomato plants that are commonly found at the nurseries.

What in your opinion are the more successful and tasty ones? I love tomatoes and though they aren't the prettiest plants, I feel compelled to find ways to incorporate them into my landscape.

Denver area.

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:32 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:33 am

Are you happy with your 2014 crop yield ?

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.26.2014 at 07:07 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

I... am not !

Early tomatoes were / are late, but mid / late season were / are somehow ok.

Most produced very few tomatoes with decent / good taste. Nothing fantastic.

How was your year ?

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:23 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:23 am

2009 tomato lists

posted by: jaliranchr on 01.18.2009 at 10:08 pm in Rocky Mountain Gardening Forum

OK, Digit is prompting so I'll start the official tomato list thread for RMG 2009. :)

I haven't really firmed up my list yet, but there will be quite a few new ones in addition to the old reliable ones.

Reliables: Skorospelka; Bloody Butcher; Neves Azorean Red; Thessaloniki; Black Cherry and a few others to be determined.

Returning: Yellow Submarine; Galinas; Black Yum Yum; Snow White; Rainy's Maltese; Faux Sheyenne; Eva Purple Ball.

New to me: Olga's Biggest; Grandpa's Cock's Plume; Indian Stripe; Earl's Faux; Early Annie; Some tongue tangler Siberian; Rocky; Big Raspberry; Gonna give Big Zac a shot.

I'll have a firm list in another couple of weeks. But those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Have at it gang. I'll be more organized in a couple of weeks as to the list.

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:22 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:22 am

Your Most Prolific Heirlooms?

posted by: mewhee on 07.22.2011 at 07:35 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Hi All -

Was out this afternoon tending the tomato garden and as usual, noticed how my conventional Early Girls, Champions and Lemon Boys are producing way more fruit (as expected) than my heirlooms which brings me to my question: even tho 'prolific' and 'heirloom' are rarely synonymous w/ each other, which heirlooms do you find year in and year out give you a better crop than other heirlooms?

One of the reasons I ask this and I know it's almost sacriligious to say it but some heirlooms just don't seem to be worth the space expended. For esample, Persimmon and Pineapple both have no more than 6 or 8 tomatoes on the entire 8 ft. + plants.

I know, I know, w/ heirlooms it's often times a case of quality vs. quantity which I fully understand but for those of us with limited space, part of the overall equation is maximizing yield per plant. My Kentucky Beefsteak and Aunt Ruby's German Green are both producing very well.

Again, which heirlooms do you personally find have better than avg. production?

TIA for any thoughts -

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:21 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:21 am

Tomatoes You'll Never Plant Again

posted by: Edymnion on 04.28.2012 at 07:58 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

So far I've only really run across one tomato that I have vowed will never find space in my plots ever again, Mr. Stripey.

What a horrid tomato. Cared for the thing all season long last year, did everything I knew to keep it happy, and it produced all of 2 tomatoes. Both of which were catfaced and/or split long before they got ripe, and were half rotten when they did finally start ripening. All the while the blue tomatoes right next to it were churning out bucket fulls of black golfball sized tomatoes.

Never again.

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:21 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:21 am

Mr. Wilber's "18 branches" technique.

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.14.2014 at 01:52 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Anybody tried Mr. Wilber's "18 branches" technique ?

If yes, with what result ?

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clipped on: 10.23.2014 at 09:10 am    last updated on: 10.23.2014 at 09:11 am

Tomatoes You'll Never Plant Again - Part III

posted by: smithmal on 07.30.2014 at 11:51 am in Growing Tomatoes Forum

Great thread if you're interesting obtaining growth, production or taste feedback from tomato gardeners who have grown various tomato varieties.

This is for feedback concerning your 2014 growing season and what you may be considering for 2015.

Please include you "ZAPPED" list below (i.e. tomatoes that you've tried and won't be growing again). Also, feedback on what did do well for you is also appreciated.

This is part III of this ever popular thread.

Part II (and consequently a link to Part I) can be found from the link below.

Here is a link that might be useful: Tomatoes You'll Never Plant Again - Part II

This post was edited by smithmal on Mon, Aug 4, 14 at 17:14

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clipped on: 08.19.2014 at 05:57 pm    last updated on: 08.19.2014 at 07:05 pm

How do you keep a balance between...

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.19.2014 at 01:50 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

How do you keep a balance between main stem(s), suckers, branches, flower clusters, fruits...? I mean, ROUGHLY:

1. How many main stems have you tomatoes ?
2. How many suckers on main stem(s) ?
3. How many branches on main stems / suckers ?
4. How many flower clusters on main stems / suckers ?
5. How many fruits on main stems / suckers ?
6. How tall are your tomatoes ?
[ Please specify the tomato variety. ]

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clipped on: 08.19.2014 at 05:56 pm    last updated on: 08.19.2014 at 07:04 pm

Early tomatoes - B.I.G. disappointment

posted by: Daniel_NY on 08.19.2014 at 05:48 pm in Growing Tomatoes Forum

This year a tried a few early tomatoes: Fourth Of July, Early Girl, Early Wonder...

They were not early AT ALL. Fourth of July - DTM 49 days - ripped at the end of... July, only 2-3 days before a big Rose tomato (21 oz.) - DTM 78 !!! days. The other "EARLIES" were even worse.

How was your experience with Earlies ?

This post was edited by Daniel_NY on Tue, Aug 19, 14 at 17:51

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